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[FD2646]

He did it with Daniel Rich...just think about that.
A guy he has 6 inches on, he grabbed his jumper and got out bodied

If T-Rex (Daniel Rich) outbodied Tabs in a 1-1, we were truly buggered yesterday.

 

[JammoMonty]

Technically Treacy and Tabs are both looking to Hale.

I think the biggest acquisition we should be making this off season is a decent forwards coach

Which is a worry

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I personally love it when Taberner drags his opponent to a contest for no apparent reason.

Our idiot list management team should be shot for ever allowing Taberner to be our only key forward. Go to the draft dickheads.

 

[JammoMonty]

Would be very handy across HF.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Right or wrong move, getting rid of Hale won’t solve a single thing. I wouldn’t be against moving him btw. I don’t think replacing him with an untried assistant will be an improvement though - I’d rather keep Hale.

What we gave up for our forward line on the weekend:
Taberner - rookie draft
Treacy - rookie draft
Schultz - 4th rounder
Meek - 5th rounder
Crowden - 4th rounder
Colyer - traded for a 4th rounder
Henry - Pick 9 (NGA)

It took a guy being in our NGA to actually spend a decent pick on a forward! Of those out of the side Lobb was traded for a couple of pick upgrades (I think it values him at **** all but the early picks would’ve been good - let’s call it an early second) and Sturt was a first rounder.

The whole clubs attitude towards the forward line needs to change for anything to change. That includes list management and the senior coach, not just sacking a guy who may not be any good but we’ll never really know as he’s been given nothing to work with.

That's crazy isn't it. Strip everything back about the game of Aussie rules, forwards are still your most important asset. Guys who can kick goals win you games. The majority of defenders are ultimately failed forwards as juniors. You can coach spoiling and defensive pressure, but forward nous is special.
And we just refuse to focus on that area of the ground, particularly in the draft.
Our "goals will take care of themselves" mantra from Ross onward is insanity. We've been banging our heads against the wall for years about not capitalising on opportunities, poor forward structure and kicking points. But we continue to shove mids who can't cut it in the starting midfield in there, rookies and generally guys with no forward nous. But sure, our horrendous accuracy is an 'easy fix'. It's not.

 

[Eski3]

View attachment 1201437Would be very handy across HF.

Would fill a need actually. We need mature forwardline depth that are taller than 183 cm

 

[Purpleheart_56]

Lynch was injured most of this season...I don't think his body would be better next season...

 

[FreoRicci]

Tom Lynch? Absolutely hell no. He’s a creator more then a medium forward. Sturt is that guy.

 

[mike91]

Only the freo board would bag their only key forward. Not the recruitment team, definitely not the coaching, but the only forward who can actually take a mark.

The one season he didn't have a serious injury he finished equal 4th in the Coleman and second in the comp for contested marks. He also made the All Australian squad, despite playing in a very average team with the worst delievry in the comp.

But hey, well all know this place is a popularity contest and it's super cool to bag him right? Gotta love the nuffies on here

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[Snuffaluphagus]

Only the freo board would bag their only key forward. Not the recruitment team, definitely not the coaching, but the only forward who can actually take a mark.

The one season he didn't have a serious injury he finished equal 4th in the Coleman and second in the comp for contested marks. He also made the All Australian team, despite playing in a very average team with the worst delievry in the comp.

But hey, well all know this place is a popularity contest and it's super cool to bag him right? Gotta love the nuffies on here

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Why cant it be all of the above. The recruitment team and the coaching have received plenty of criticism.

Easiest way to dismiss something you dont agree with is just call them all nuffies right

 

[wakojako]

Only the freo board would bag their only key forward. Not the recruitment team, definitely not the coaching, but the only forward who can actually take a mark.

The one season he didn't have a serious injury he finished equal 4th in the Coleman and second in the comp for contested marks. He also made the All Australian team, despite playing in a very average team with the worst delievry in the comp.

But hey, well all know this place is a popularity contest and it's super cool to bag him right? Gotta love the nuffies on here

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Absolutely he is critical to our team, no he shouldn't be our no. 1 KPF. He needs to be the third KPF in our line. Having your first 2 KPFs run at the ball carrier and create leads while having Tabbs wrestle and compete in the background is the only way to do it. He is a liability otherwise.

 

[Sully90]

Multiple things can be true at once.

We haven't spent the draft capital on quality young forwards.
There is a significant breakdown in understanding of where the forwards want the ball kicked and where the midfielders want our forwards to lead.
Taberner has done really well for his draft position but in reality has only had one great season in 10 years and is unlikely to repeat that.

All points to a pretty dismal forward line.

 

[CapitalA]

Should have gotten Dean Solomon as centre coach

Why? Their midfield is actually firing since he left.

 

[FreoRicci]

Absolutely he is critical to our team, no he shouldn't be our no. 1 KPF. He needs to be the third KPF in our line. Having your first 2 KPFs run at the ball carrier and create leads while having Tabbs wrestle and compete in the background is the only way to do it. He is a liability otherwise.

He can be our number 1 KPF. He needs to be surrounded by two more talls and smalls. Lobb is injured with Treacy only 19. On the weekend he had ****ing Meek as another option. It’s pathetic list management. Combined with probably the worst small forwards in the competition, pretty impossible. Hawkins kicks 40 a year with the quality around him. West coast another examples

 

[FreoRicci]

Multiple things can be true at once.

We haven't spent the draft capital on quality young forwards.
There is a significant breakdown in understanding of where the forwards want the ball kicked and where the midfielders want our forwards to lead.
Taberner has done really well for his draft position but in reality has only had one great season in 10 years and is unlikely to repeat that.

All points to a pretty dismal forward line.

Only been happening ever since 2010. Pavlich by himself with Mayne and Clark is another reason we probably never won a premiership that period.

 

[salim malik]

Only the freo board would bag their only key forward. Not the recruitment team, definitely not the coaching, but the only forward who can actually take a mark.

The one season he didn't have a serious injury he finished equal 4th in the Coleman and second in the comp for contested marks. He also made the All Australian team, despite playing in a very average team with the worst delievry in the comp.

But hey, well all know this place is a popularity contest and it's super cool to bag him right? Gotta love the nuffies on here

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Mike , 10 years on the list and one bag of 5 goals.
Tabs is ok that's it in a nutshell.
Blame everyone else if you like for our forward line dysfunction but Tabs is the senior and key forward.
Ps he didn't make AA.

 

[mike91]

Mike , 10 years on the list and one bag of 5 goals.
Tabs is ok that's it in a nutshell.
Blame everyone else if you like for our forward line dysfunction but Tabs is the senior and key forward.
Ps he didn't make AA.

Tabs is more than ok. He's actually a damn good forward. I don't understand this logic of "doesn't kick bags of goals, confirmed spud" (not your words, others perception)

People refuse to acknowledge the very little help he gets from his forwards, the worst delievery in the competition and playing for, let's be honest here, a fairly average team. He was also coached very poorly under Lyon.

Other forwards kick more goals, but they also lack consistency, despite playing in better teams and having better opportunities. Tabs doesn't get enough credit here and he never will. People won't admit it, but it's similar to comparing ex partners, freo board is so use Pav we compare Tabs to him, so he's judged harshly.

Tabs isn't in the same category as Hawkins and Riewoldt, no doubt about that, but he's definitely a better than 'ok' forward who is severely underrated and under appreciated on this board.

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[wakojako]

He can be our number 1 KPF. He needs to be surrounded by two more talls and smalls. Lobb is injured with Treacy only 19. On the weekend he had ******* Meek as another option. It’s pathetic list management. Combined with probably the worst small forwards in the competition, pretty impossible. Hawkins kicks 40 a year with the quality around him. West coast another examples

Yes but both WC and Geelong have leading forwards!! You need leading forwards, not a halfwit who gets in the other forwards way, expects everyone to bomb it to him from 70m away and who drags the defender into the contest. He is an excellent forward but if he is our no.1 forward we will never win a final.

 

[dont bowl there]

I have watched enough of Taberner live to form an opinion that he is not a damn good forward. Would love for Fox Footy to run an analysis of his leading patterns compared to all the other number one key forwards in the comp. Rarely does he lead, double back and use a block to get separation, he would much prefer to stand and call for the ball on his head or even worse impact a contest where we clearly have the upper hand.

 

[Bring back Drum]

I have watched enough of Taberner live to form an opinion that he is not a damn good forward. Would love for Fox Footy to run an analysis of his leading patterns compared to all the other number one key forwards in the comp. Rarely does he lead, double back and use a block to get separation, he would much prefer to stand and call for the ball on his head or even worse impact a contest where we clearly have the upper hand.

2 things immediately spring to mind.
Firstly our forward 50 entries are inconsistent & unpredictable which makes it difficult for any forward to be confident enough to do all those things you suggest. Every forward likes an element of predictability.
Secondly if those points you mention are the case, then he is not & has not ever been given any coaching to correct them. They are full time employees & there is no excuse for not improving.

If you get the chance, watch Jye Amiss & his work off the ball, it is exactly as you describe plus more. Very hard to defend.

 

[dont bowl there]

2 things immediately spring to mind.
Firstly our forward 50 entries are inconsistent & unpredictable which makes it difficult for any forward to be confident enough to do all those things you suggest. Every forward likes an element of predictability.
Secondly if those points you mention are the case, then he is not & has not ever been given any coaching to correct them. They are full time employees & there is no excuse for not improving.

If you get the chance, watch Jye Amiss & his work off the ball, it is exactly as you describe plus more. Very hard to defend.

I have been critical of both the list management and the coaching staff in regards to the current forward line. When I got the chance to watch Hogan we was the exact opposite of Taberner, he would make 3-4 leads to try and lose his opponent before creating the separation needed. My gut feel from the cheap seats is that the coaching staff know this is an issue with Tabs but he's simply not smart enough (football smarts) to rectify game-day and due to the calamitous state of our forward line we have no alternative.

Never seen any of the draftees play so hope you are right on Amiss and we can pick him up!

 

[GingerDocker]

2 things immediately spring to mind.
Firstly our forward 50 entries are inconsistent & unpredictable which makes it difficult for any forward to be confident enough to do all those things you suggest. Every forward likes an element of predictability.
Secondly if those points you mention are the case, then he is not & has not ever been given any coaching to correct them. They are full time employees & there is no excuse for not improving.

If you get the chance, watch Jye Amiss & his work off the ball, it is exactly as you describe plus more. Very hard to defend.

Defenders know how to defend and forwards know how to attack...who would've thunk it.

It's like the whole concept of forward craft is is given the same credibility as voodoo by those in charge down there.

 

[Bring back Drum]

I have been critical of both the list management and the coaching staff in regards to the current forward line. When I got the chance to watch Hogan we was the exact opposite of Taberner, he would make 3-4 leads to try and lose his opponent before creating the separation needed. My gut feel from the cheap seats is that the coaching staff know this is an issue with Tabs but he's simply not smart enough (football smarts) to rectify game-day and due to the calamitous state of our forward line we have no alternative.

Never seen any of the draftees play so hope you are right on Amiss and we can pick him up!

I’ve worked with Jye a little bit in the early years, but recently saw some drone footage of his work rate in a scratch match from preseason. His movement & leading patterns is the best I’ve seen from a young forward, which I have mentioned previously.
I have also mentioned he has done very little elite training compared to others being a late bloomer that he still has a lot of improvement in him.
He’s a great kid as well.

Edit, for the training watchers, just out of interest do we use drones to view our trainings for later use, in particular our forward structures & movement?

The footage is ridiculously good for tracking players movements & leading patterns.

 

[dont bowl there]

I’ve worked with Jye a little bit in the early years, but recently saw some drone footage of his work rate in a scratch match from preseason. His movement & leading patterns is the best I’ve seen from a young forward, which I have mentioned previously.
I have also mentioned he has done very little elite training compared to others being a late bloomer that he still has a lot of improvement in him.
He’s a great kid as well.

I'm not one to follow the draftees as I hate getting my hopes up on draft night but damn it you have drawn me back in. Jye Amiss please.

 

[Cesoir]

I'm not one to follow the draftees as I hate getting my hopes up on draft night but damn it you have drawn me back in. Jye Amiss please.