Society & Culture the " MIND=BLOWN " thread

[brahj]

Russia helped Germany invade Poland in 1939.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Russia helped Germany invade Poland in 1939.

Well, yeah, they were on the same side at the time.

 

[brahj]

Well, yeah, they were on the same side at the time.

No shit. I just said that.



Idiot.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

No shit. I just said that.



Idiot.

So where's the mind blowing bit?

 

[brahj]

So where's the mind blowing bit?

Russia and Germany were friends who shared things once. Not even 2 years later and they are opposing sides in the largest ever military operation known to man (Operation Barbarossa), a conflict which essentially began because Germany invaded Poland.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

They were never friends.

 

[brahj]

They were never friends.

They shared a slice of Poland together though. The future was so bright (for everyone who isn't Poland or any other European country really).

 

[Lemma]

Yeh they were mates until Hitler backstabbed Stalin and invaded them after he said he wouldn't.

 

[brahj]

Mind=Blown

What person in their right mind would betray a mad mustachioed Russian? Hitler... that's who. RIP in Peace.

 

[edgie]

Using a military assault rifle at close range I'm not thinking it's that extraordinary.
30-40mm groupings at 100m for first timers using an Austeyr is very common - he was using what, and AR-15 at ranges far closer? And it certainly wasn't his first time using the weapon - and there are multiple eyewitness accounts of what happened.

I know conspiracy theorists love to assume that official accounts are all completely wrong but in this case it doesn't seem that hard a scenario to believe.

He was shooting from the hip as well. People in the USA storm crowded areas and shoot it up all the time, and none have gotten near to that ratio of shots fired/time/kills at the Port Arthur cafe.

Statistically, it is extremely improbable. Not impossible, but gee, to simply wave it away as "not hard to believe" is mind blowing .

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Mind=Blown

What person in their right mind would betray a mad mustachioed Russian? Hitler... that's who. RIP in Peace.

Rest In Peace In Peace?

 

[brahj]

Rest In Peace In Peace?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/rip-in-peace

I don't have to do all the internet for you do I?

 

[brahj]

He was shooting from the hip as well.

No he wasn't.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/rip-in-peace

I don't have to do all the internet for you do I?

Never heard of that one. I must have a life or something.

 

[Mofra]

He was shooting from the hip as well. People in the USA storm crowded areas and shoot it up all the time, and none have gotten near to that ratio of shots fired/time/kills at the Port Arthur cafe.

Statistically, it is extremely improbable. Not impossible, but gee, to simply wave it away as "not hard to believe" is mind blowing .

Save your hyperbolism for the conspiracy nuts (anyone disagreeing with you, despite noting their own experience, is "simply waving it away" )

He was firing an AR15 in a confined space - note there were more people killed/wounded than there were shots fired. Between close range kills (despite what you think, these are weapons designed to kill - easily - and are remarkably accurate) and ricochets/shrapnel this is an entirely plausible scenario. See the Martin Place reports for what can happen when you fire a rifle with high muzzle velocity in a confined space.

Do you really think there has been a cover up here?

 

[edgie]

Save your hyperbolism for the conspiracy nuts (anyone disagreeing with you, despite noting their own experience, is "simply waving it away" )

He was firing an AR15 in a confined space - note there were more people killed/wounded than there were shots fired. Between close range kills (despite what you think, these are weapons designed to kill - easily - and are remarkably accurate) and ricochets/shrapnel this is an entirely plausible scenario. See the Martin Place reports for what can happen when you fire a rifle with high muzzle velocity in a confined space.


Do you really think there has been a cover up here?

No, but there's a few fishy things, as if the situation was... Engineered, or it was worked over to achieve a goal.

Now isn't the time or place, that's the conspiracy board, but his extreme accurate shooting continued out the cafe as well. It wasn't til he was holed up in the house he turned in to a storm trooper.

Now is neither the time or place to go back and forth over it, but I'm no conspiracy nut, and I will accept explanations. I don't accept that it is so easy to kill people that efficiently when the gun nuts in America can't manage it. How many shots were fired at Columbine? There's no proof in the pudding, Byrant's shooting was an anomoly.

 

[brahj]

Never heard of that one. I must have a life or something.

We both post here, I highly doubt it.

 

[Mofra]

Now is neither the time or place to go back and forth over it, but I'm no conspiracy nut, and I will accept explanations. I don't accept that it is so easy to kill people that efficiently when the gun nuts in America can't manage it. How many shots were fired at Columbine? There's no proof in the pudding, Byrant's shooting was an anomoly.

You mean a massacre where 9mm pistols were used as well as sawn off shotguns?
That is in no way comparable to using an unmodified military grade semi-automatic rifle, let alone considering how many point-blank range murders Bryant committed.

It's all well and good to consider statistics, but context is always important.

 

[edgie]

You mean a massacre where 9mm pistols were used as well as sawn off shotguns?
That is in no way comparable to using an unmodified military grade semi-automatic rifle, let alone considering how many point-blank range murders Bryant committed.

It's all well and good to consider statistics, but context is always important.

Fair rebuttal. What about the ones in the cinema, and then the primary school, where rifles were used?

 

[Mofra]

Fair rebuttal. What about the ones in the cinema, and then the primary school, where rifles were used?

I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of all US massacres - I'd imagine that it's far more difficult to hit targets in a darkened cinema with fixed seating than it is in a light-filled, open cafeteria after spending time assessing the scene first, but I don't have all the answers.
I simply don't believe there is some nefarious conspiracy in Port Arthur and someone using an AR-15 at close range who was rarely seen without a gun in his hands in the two years leading up to the event is likely to have been able to kill/wound a high number of people in a short space of time. The firing rate was consistent with aimed single shots, not double taps or full auto which lends credence to official accounts of the massacre.

 

[edgie]

The official account of the massacre is also at odds with some of the witness and survivor statements at the time.

The rifle he had was already an illegal weapon at the time as well I think, or he possessed it illegally. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[Richard Pryor]

They shared a slice of Poland together though. The future was so bright (for everyone who isn't Poland or any other European country really).

From what I've read I think both sides were planning on backstabbing the other as soon as it was convenient to do so. More of a "enemy of my enemy" thing than real friendship between the countries.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

He was shooting from the hip as well. People in the USA storm crowded areas and shoot it up all the time, and none have gotten near to that ratio of shots fired/time/kills at the Port Arthur cafe.

Statistically, it is extremely improbable. Not impossible, but gee, to simply wave it away as "not hard to believe" is mind blowing .

I'm always confused as to why conspiracy theorists believe the facts that are stated that suit their argument and then totally disregard the others.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Anyway we should move on. I'm regretting posting that because it's ruining an otherwise good idea for a thread.

 

[edgie]

I'm always confused as to why conspiracy theorists believe the facts that are stated that suit their argument and then totally disregard the others.

And everyone else believes the facts that support the official story and disregard the others.





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