Rules The new man on the mark rule is utterly ridiculous.

[gingernuts]

The rule will be ok until Chamberlain gets hold of it and drives us all crazy with his irritating voice and limelight grab attack. Take the mics off the umpies or I am gonna go fooking beserk

 

[Ace It Up]

I actually like it. What I don’t like is saint kilda stepping back 5m and avoiding being told to stand. Makes no sense. Where is the limit. Did they contact the umpires to say they’d be doing this. What happens if while lining up to kick and a saints player is on the mark. The player walks in to kick but gets really close to the player on the (pretend mark that saints player made up) and then the kicking player plays on forcing the saints player to move forward on their line. This would have made them be in a ‘stand’ position. And hence a 50 every time.

A Fremantle player can be called for 50 by moving backwards why can a saints player move as they like behind the ball. They should be called to stand as well.

Please advise:Is it a rule/compulsory to have someone stand the mark? If so, who has to? In the case of the player getting too close to the 5m back player, that would mean the kicker has gone over the mark - play on! Scenario: Leading forward breaks 20m clear of opposition ruckman. Takes a sliding mark as the siren sounds. Ump pays the mark. Mark was taken 4m out of 50m arc, 2m from boundary line. Marking forward's team is 3 points down (for added drama). Prior to getting within 15m of where the was mark taken, the opposition ruckman , turns and runs back to goal square, wildly waving his arms at his team mates (more added drama)and takes up a position on the goal line. Again, does some one even have to man the mark? If so, who?

 

[Ace It Up]

You make a great point.

Why do we keep adding new rules? Why can't we remove the rules we implemented 10 years ago that didn't work, instead off using band-aid rules to fix broken rules?

Have they ever conceded a rule change didn't work? (Serious question).

I like the 6-6-6 rule, I would like to see that extended to when we have stoppages due to an injury etc that at the restart no matter where the ball is at the time the 6-6-6 rule applies.
I dislike the kick in rule, the elite of the sport don’t need help clearing their defensive 50, help the kids out at Auskick yes but not the elite. Traditionally I like the ball kicked in from the goal square. They can have the man on the mark have to be back 20m but I would prefer they go back to you must touch it on your boot before you run out of the square as it was previous.
As for this new rule I still don’t understand how the elite of the game were having trouble with moving the ball around? They are simply in my view giving the elite to much help here, the game is supposed to be hard. The AFL are treating the elite like auskickers.
Anyway it won’t stop, more rules will come and change as the AFL continue to try and fix what was never ever broken.

Disregard. Thought I had something about 6-6-6 and stoppages, but got nothing. Hang on. IMO don't mind the current after behind kick in rule but wish umpire's would better monitor how far some do run.

 

[Ace It Up]

Rule is great, and the moment standing on the mark became a tactic to slow down the game this was inevitable.. I just wish it was not implemented for a set shot at goal. Is a little embarrassing watching a forward waltz around a stationary figure to open up the angle and slot a goal..

Earlier someone stated that it will be difficult for ump to watch the statue and kicker at the same. I was going to say umps position self to have one watch statue, one watch kicker but I wasn't sure about the feasibility of performing this. But as for your set shot kick, I think they should be able to implement these "watching" duties.

 

[Ace It Up]

and the blame would lie at the feet of the moronic player who, despite understanding and obeying the rule for an entire season, forgot to do it under the most important circumstances

I agree - rule is rule and players should be hardwired at that stage of season. But to get to that situation the umpires will have to interpreting the rule exactly the same - every time. A few times already I have seen movements and my interpretation was 50m. Most were, but some weren't. Again, all according to my interpretation. But the one that stood out the most to me, and I thought the 50m was extremely harsh, was: Player was running towards marker. Stopped on a dime when mark taken and ump called Stand. Best way I can describe it: Man of mark went from the standing to attention stance to at ease. Surely the rule was designed to penalise that? More so as the kicker had not even began his walk/run in.

 

[Ace It Up]

The rule should not be enforced after the siren. This will preserve the 15 players dancing in front of the kicker spectacles after the siren, it will also ensure there isn't some stupid stand off after the siren with a player 60-100m out not disposing of the ball in order to try and draw a 50 metre penalty.

Doesn't the "shot clock" still apply?

 

[JohnZ]

Have they ever conceded a rule change didn't work? (Serious question).

The sub rule, that's about it

 

[Purple Suit]

The sub rule, that's about it

And we’re about to bring it back to close that loop hole.

 

[Grrr]

Again the idiocy of this rule. The player with the ball walks off his line, play on, the ump is not even watching him, he is watching the man on the mark, who starts to move after the player with the ball has taken 3 or 4 paces. Gets pinged, goal.

Brain fade, guilty, but it goes against our game, the man with the ball is called play on when he goes off his line. Always has been always should be. Now he is able to do it with impunity, in fact he will do it as a tactic if he has any brains because the ump is not even watching, but studying the man on the mark.

 

[Pessimistic]

It will encourage flooding and rebound rather than front end or whole ground zones

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It will encourage flooding and rebound rather than front end or whole ground zones

Unfortunately, that's exactly what will happen.

Coaches will concede the scrum around the ground now, and instead flood their D50. Hardwick in fact stated that this is what he will do.


We can change rules as much as we want, but it's the coaches that keep wrecking it. The real answer is to reduce their influence once the players are out on the ground.

 

[faible]

We can change rules as much as we want, but it's the coaches that keep wrecking it. The real answer is to reduce their influence once the players are out on the ground.

This makes no sense. Players will play as they're coached, regardless of whether coaches can communicate with them throughout the quarter.

When in doubt, defend first is the mindset these days.

 

[Pessimistic]

When Rossy was discussing it , the called the team not taking the kick out the defending team, saying the defending team has too much advantage.

Thats all well and good, but that defending team was the attacking team a few seconds ago, but only got a point for their endeavours

 

[JohnZ]

We have 3 umpires on the ground. we also have 4 boundary umpires.

surely between the 7 of them, we can have 2 of them set aside, 1 to watch the player with the ball to call play on if they move off their line, 1 to watch the player on the mark to call a 50m penalty if they move off the spot.

 

[Grrr]

We have 3 umpires on the ground. we also have 4 boundary umpires.

surely between the 7 of them, we can have 2 of them set aside, 1 to watch the player with the ball to call play on if they move off their line, 1 to watch the player on the mark to call a 50m penalty if they move off the spot.

And when they blow the whistle at the same time. Ball up? It doesn't seem like rocket science, but half the time the umps off the ball are watching who's holding so that they can blow their whistle again, hopefully in front of goal.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Unfortunately, that's exactly what will happen.

Coaches will concede the scrum around the ground now, and instead flood their D50. Hardwick in fact stated that this is what he will do.


We can change rules as much as we want, but it's the coaches that keep wrecking it. The real answer is to reduce their influence once the players are out on the ground.

What about instead of trying to outsmart the coaches by head office every year trying to change rules they let them sit for 5 years and let the coaches concentrate on finding a solution to try and beat the defense.
The coaches have no time to try and work on things other than defense as they spend their lives trying to adapt to new rules.
Give them some time and let the sport evolve naturally.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

What about instead of trying to outsmart the coaches by head office every year trying to change rules they let them sit for 5 years and let the coaches concentrate on finding a solution to try and beat the defense.
The coaches have no time to try and work on things other than defense as they spend their lives trying to adapt to new rules.
Give them some time and let the sport evolve naturally.

I agree.

To be honest, I think enforcing existing rules is the best way to reign in a lot of the shit that the AFL want to change. The other way is to remove runners and possibly even not allow players to communicate with the coaches at all until the breaks.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

We have 3 umpires on the ground. we also have 4 boundary umpires.

surely between the 7 of them, we can have 2 of them set aside, 1 to watch the player with the ball to call play on if they move off their line, 1 to watch the player on the mark to call a 50m penalty if they move off the spot.

I agree.

The ask of the field umpires these days is just ludicrous.

Allowing boundary anf goal umpires to make decisions would also be a way to keep good decisions that either can't run or bounce the ball in the game.

 

[RUNVS]

Shame we won't really be able to see the new rule in action this week as majority of the games are going to be played in very wet conditions.

 

[dont bowl there]

Shame we won't really be able to see the new rule in action this week as majority of the games are going to be played in very wet conditions.

By majority do you mean 2?

 

[RUNVS]

By majority do you mean 2?

For some reason i thought it was bucketing down in Victoria like it is in Sydney and Brisbane.

 

[dont bowl there]

For some reason i thought it was bucketing down in Victoria like it is in Sydney and Brisbane.

Haha fair. It’s ripping weather down here. Well at least for now.

 

[windyhill]

Udderly

 

[Pessimistic]

Certainly not being applied consistently no surprises there

If you are moving, pretend you are letting someone else take the stand. Right in front of tigers goal

 

[Donakebab]

Confirmed shittest rule in the game. **** it off already.