Oppo Camp The Non-Essendon Thread VII

[George Washington]

Thought about it, but decided 3 in a row was too many. Well played.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Cam Mooney is a really promising commentator. Really like him.

His candor and rather brutal self-assessment (for a triple premiership player) is refreshing to say the least.

And he can actually speak fluent English, which puts him in the upper 15% of commentators.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Story on SEN tonight about Moons on an international flight shortly after winning a flag. There was a baby screaming for most of the flight, and after a while he wandered down to the mother, knelt down, had a chat, then took the baby back to his wife for a while so the mother could get a bit of sleep.

Absolute champ.

 

[Beerfish]

I can tolerate BT because he is smarter than his tv persona, but Darcy really isn't.

Yeah he just needs to dial it back a bit.. don't go full ******!

Shame that I missed it.

I dig the Roo. Warbly voice and all.

You know what? I think he may have actually been working on that. Can you work on something like that? Haven't heard it as much this season so far. Could be just my brain establishing some sort of baseline though and screening it out.

Cam Mooney is a really promising commentator. Really like him.

Totally agree. Love him on 360. Was even taking the piss out of his own kicking tonight. Actually said it mentally destroyed him. I was quite taken aback. Very down to earth, humble, thoughtful, intelligent and has a great sense of humour to top it off.

 

[Doss]

I can tolerate BT because he is smarter than his tv persona, but Darcy really isn't.

They're both living the lie in a sense.

BT is smarter than his 'BOY OH BOY WOWEE' buffoonery portrays, and Darcy is considerably more simple than his clumsy attempts to sound intelligent would suggest.

'Unbelievable' or 'elite' as a commentator and intellect, he ain't.

 

[The Speaker]

They're both living the lie in a sense.

BT is smarter than his 'BOY OH BOY WOWEE' buffoonery portrays, and Darcy is considerably more simple than his clumsy attempts to sound intelligent would suggest.

'Unbelievable' or 'elite' as a commentator and intellect, he ain't.

why do you have the mrzregory avatar

 

[Doss]

why do you have the mrzregory avatar

It was only just pointed out to me by fyfie3011 that that was the case. Not being a frequenter of Bay 13, I legitimately had no idea of the match.

I can safely say my only similarity with...it....is an appreciation of the quality of a staring canine.

 

[The Speaker]

It was only just pointed out to me by fyfie3011 that that was the case. Not being a frequenter of Bay 13, I legitimately had no idea of the match.

I can safely say my only similarity with...it....is an appreciation of the quality of a staring canine.

"It" is an alias in any case.

 

[yaco55]

Cam Mooney is a really promising commentator. Really like him.

Needs to do more research - Limited knowlege of players outside of tall forwards.

 

[Loonerty]

Love Cam Mooney as a commentator. So much better than half the Channel 7 flogs.

And some of the Fox Footy commentators.

 

[daffo]

HATE when Essendon plays on Saturday night now. I can't stand listening to BT/Darcy. Makes me at times, not want to watch the replay.

 

[Mercurial89]

Story on SEN tonight about Moons on an international flight shortly after winning a flag. There was a baby screaming for most of the flight, and after a while he wandered down to the mother, knelt down, had a chat, then took the baby back to his wife for a while so the mother could get a bit of sleep.

Absolute champ.

Mentioned that the cats players were Amazingly well behaved aswell. Everything you hear about that teams makes you respect them more. They really do seem to do everything right.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Needs to do more research - Limited knowlege of players outside of tall forwards.

That's probably a fair point.

He does cut through the bullshit though. Talking about Melbourne players saying they're going to come it firing: "Don't talk about it, just bloody do it for Christ's sake".

He's endearing himself to me very quickly.

 

[Pweter]

That's probably a fair point.

He does cut through the bullshit though. Talking about Melbourne players saying they're going to come it firing: "Don't talk about it, just bloody do it for Christ's sake".

He's endearing himself to me very quickly.

Indeed. There isn't any grey area for him, it is black and white, and that is refreshing. Too many commentators and football personalities sit on the fence or go the popular opinion. I don't think Mooney would give a crap if he got people off side with a comment or 2, he calls it how it is.

 

[BrunoV]

i know it is a column witth a super coach view but this morning's little clip in the age just goes to show how far from the mark the statistics based analysis of football is.

myers, fletcher and hibberd were named as players that need to turn around a poor opening game.

 

[carnthedons]

i know it is a column witth a super coach view but this morning's little clip in the age just goes to show how far from the mark the statistics based analysis of football is.

myers, fletcher and hibberd were named as players that need to turn around a poor opening game.

I read that and scoffed a bit but then figured it must've meant a poor supercoach/dreamteam opening game

 

[Doss]

i know it is a column witth a super coach view but this morning's little clip in the age just goes to show how far from the mark the statistics based analysis of football is.

myers, fletcher and hibberd were named as players that need to turn around a poor opening game.

I read that clip too- almost spat out my coffee.

All three had solid to good games- extremely good in Fletcher's case.

 

[eth-dog]

It's an UF article

 

[Burzum]

That's probably a fair point.

He does cut through the bullshit though. Talking about Melbourne players saying they're going to come it firing: "Don't talk about it, just bloody do it for Christ's sake".

He's endearing himself to me very quickly.

Never thought that one day I'd say I like Cam Mooney.

 

[BrunoV]

I dont mean to keep targetting you but I disagree with this. Collingwood were gifted that game through poor umpiring in 2011. Hawthorn deserved to make the 2011 GF because imo they were better on the day. Having said that, I felt they shouldn't have made it last year as Adelaide were robbed, so swings and roundabouts...

Worthyness is not judged on a season but by brief moments such as a single game.

I have no care factor for any of those clubs but they werent uncommon opinions from neutrals at the time by any stretch.

Not concerned about it in the slightest (not being condescending either).

I think that worthyness is based on a season but that finals do not necessarily reward the "worthy". The unworthy sides, like Hawthorn of 2011, have to devise special game plans and throw everything including the kitchen sink and hope for a little luck to sneak through to the GF.

It is generous to say that Collingwood was saved by the umpires. Compared to the barrage required for Hawthorn to score, Collingwood hit the scoreboard with comparative ease. As someone going for Hawthorn (seriously I hate the Pies that much) I couldn't help but notice that Collingwood always looked more threatening (and could pull back the margins Hawthorn gained over quarters in minutes).

It gets back to the rest of my first post. Hawthorn could not move the ball efficiently and did not have the fall-back of being able to break the lines with run. It spent the night trying to chip its way through Collingwood which meant it had to go to a great deal more effort to score. They also weren't able to handle Cloke and reverted to things like wasting Gibson by instructing him to spoil on every occasion because they were not otherwise comfortable dealing with Collingwood's forward line in the air.

On the back of all of issues during the game and Collingwood's form throughout the season Hawthorn would have been lucky to win through. It would have deserved reward for a great coaching effort and wringing every bit out of the 22 on the night, but when a side has to resort to these extremes to stay with another side it isn't good enough especially until it steals the result. Only at this point does it become "worthy".

You see this sort of thing with Man U all the time. Opposition plays out of its skin to get in front or stay with them only for the result to be taken back in the last few minutes of the game.

Hence why Kennett and anyone else who thinks Hawthorn 2011 was soft during that prelim is deluded. How can you ask the Hawks players to do 15% (just to take an arbitrary number) more than the Collingwood players for the match and then expect them to push it up to 20% just to hold Collingwood out. It is unrealistic. The attitude is a way of feeling better about a result especially as these same people tended to follow up with some crap about having it over Geelong in GFs. So it became the GF win that got away rather than an acknowledgement that Hawthorn was the third best side of the year which was reflected in every result.

 

[Doss]

As an aside to that, it's a good thing Hawthorn didn't make the 2011 GF, for the sake of a better contest.

Geelong would have, I'm pretty certain, obliterated Hawthorn much more than they ended up doing to Collingwood. The ease with which they dealt with them in the qualifying final was surely proof of that.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

As an aside to that, it's a good thing Hawthorn didn't make the 2011 GF, for the sake of a better contest.

Geelong would have, I'm pretty certain, obliterated Hawthorn much more than they ended up doing to Collingwood. The ease with which they dealt with them in the qualifying final was surely proof of that.

And the majesty of seeing the Pies tumble on the big stage yet again was well worth it.

 

[Doss]

And the majesty of seeing the Pies tumble on the big stage yet again was well worth it.

Oh sure, although seeing the Hawks crushed by the Cats would have been equally glorious.

 

[Kong]

For all of Geelong's streak since that grand final, they really only have that Qualifying Final in 2011 to hold over the Hawks.

Otherwise, Hawthorn's season hasn't really been affected by Geelong all that much, as opposed to us getting some kind of revenge on Carlton the very next year, by belting the suitcase out of them in the 2000 Prelim.

(It felt good to write those last few words)

 

[BrunoV]

You think that was revenge? We flogged a side with nothing to lose and everything to gain.

The only way we could ever truly get revenge would have been to pinch a prelim or GF from them as underdogs (I suppose we still have 1993 over them and they are yet to make up for it).