The **** off Metro thread

[Illinois Nazi]

Any chance of a north east line in the future?

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Scotland]

There is a promised Ellenbrook line, but it would be pretty cost ineffective.

I live walking distance from a station in an established area (ie not near one of the new ones 50km up or down the Freeway) and the zoning is still something like R20 or R30. We shouldn't be developing areas further and further from the city with 500sqm blocks, we should be improving the infrastructure in existing areas and encouraging development. Train stations tend to work a lot better when more than 8 people live walking distance from them.

 

[beez]

Oh and smartrider is awesome compared to myki. Direct debits your account (if you set it up to) when balance below $10, works quickly and you can buy paper tickets if you forget

You can do this with myki too...

I'm a very occasional user of PT, but why do people even need to use these machines to put money on them?? Just top it up at home on the internet via credit card- have never, ever had a problem with this, is great. And you dont have to stress about missing your train if the machines are broken, being used, etc.

Excuse me, this isn't the thread for rational posts with sensible options. Kindly post elsewhere

 

[Tulip]

Yep, because most train drivers do that.

I think you'll find that plenty of them do that.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

I'm a very occasional user of PT, but why do people even need to use these machines to put money on them?? Just top it up at home on the internet via credit card- have never, ever had a problem with this, is great.

I did it through the internet once four years ago. Next day when I got on a tram it still hadn't been loaded. Haven't bothered doing it again.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

I did it through the internet once four years ago. Next day when I got on a tram it still hadn't been loaded. Haven't bothered doing it again.

Why not set up the auto top up? It credits your Myki as soon as your balance floor is hit (e.g. $10). The credit comes through immediately - before money is taken out of your account (i think).

 

[Shell]

Why not set up the auto top up? It credits your Myki as soon as your balance floor is hit (e.g. $10). The credit comes through immediately - before money is taken out of your account (i think).

Good idea for regular users. I just log on and check it now and again- eg. especially since I'll be training it to the footy Friday night, and will be going to the city again a couple of weeks later. I usually let it get as low as $10, then top it up with another $20.

 

[Cruyff14]

Saw a girl cop a fine on Saturday night for having her feet on the seat. $212.

She looked liked she was gonna cry, it was a look of devastation. Her friend hugged her. Then her friend said, "do you just wanna go home?"

 

[FootyJunkie]

Saw a girl cop a fine on Saturday night for having her feet on the seat. $212.

She looked liked she was gonna cry, it was a look of devastation. Her friend hugged her. Then her friend said, "do you just wanna go home?"

As if those seats are actually clean.

 

[nicky]

Saw a girl cop a fine on Saturday night for having her feet on the seat. $212.

She looked liked she was gonna cry, it was a look of devastation. Her friend hugged her. Then her friend said, "do you just wanna go home?"

That is the fine they give out when everyone on the carriage has a validated ticket.

I got busted for having my feet on the seat. They checked my ticket, then proceeded to check the whole carriage - came back to me and gave me a fine because they couldn't fine anyone for fare evading.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Saw a girl cop a fine on Saturday night for having her feet on the seat. $212.

She looked liked she was gonna cry, it was a look of devastation. Her friend hugged her. Then her friend said, "do you just wanna go home?"

Awkward Flirting Stories thread. "Friend" is really Cruyff.

 

[Partridge]

The reality is for a city of Melbourne's size and population density the network is pretty bloody good. People try the tube or the subway or the Tokyo metro and gauge their local system against that. Those networks only work because of the population density and sheer volume of traffic.

Hmm. No. Sorry. Every European city I've been to is far better. Easily.

The big difference - cultural. Australians simply don't care enough about efficiency and punctuality. Near enough unfortunately to most is good enough. There's no chance of getting a system like in Japan while the culture that demands it remains slack and half-arsed.

 

[Scotland]

Hmm. No. Sorry. Every European city I've been to is far better. Easily.

Melbourne - 4.35m people @ 430/square km.

No European city of comparable size I've been to has a population density close to that.

The big difference - cultural. Australians simply don't care enough about efficiency and punctuality. Near enough unfortunately to most is good enough. There's no chance of getting a system like in Japan while the culture that demands it remains slack and half-arsed.

Agree with this, but it's not the full picture. All cap cities in Australia are always going to have PT systems that are sub-standard in the eyes of many users while population densities remain so low.

 

[swiftdog]

Melbourne's train network is built like a spider.

Everything runs around the loop with Flinders street at one corner and Southern Cross the other.

Looks okay, until you realise that you have to go back into the city for everything.

Lets say you work in Elsternwick and Mount Waverley (two pretty popular areas), you have to train up one line into the CBD and then back out when you could almost travel in a straight line east and get there three times faster.

Clifton Hill and Caulfield are two of the only non CBD areas that you can change trains at, and even they are very limited.

Not to mention all the level crossings that people die at every year (a big problem on the Frankston line amongst others).

The problem we have is that they pump a heap into infrastructure that nobody cares about like the PSO boxes built this year when most stations have a perfectly good couple of locked rooms.

I know it's been mentioned before and I'm sure someone with a little bit of power in the matter has brought it up to the appropriate people, but surely we're almost reaching a point where some sort of "suburban loop" is warranted? For many people living in Melbourne nowadays, life doesn't revolve around the CBD, many people make the commute to work across town. I'm sure there are many logistical problems with the idea but a semi-circle line could make sense (note, I'm really just guessing many stations that this line could work at, I'm sure the locals can probably choose more appropriate stations):

Laverton - Sunshine - Essendon - Coburg - Preston - Heidelberg - (Doncaster) - Box Hill (or Camberwell) - Ashburton - East Malvern - Clayton - Mentone - Sandringham

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You used to have something similar many many years ago called the Outer Circle. It used to run from Fairfield through East Kew and Deepdene to East Camberwell to Alemain, East Mavlern and to Oakleigh.
This was all steam era stuff. Most was even shut down before 1900.

There's the inner circle that ran from Royal park to Rushall but no direct connection was made to the outer circle.

There has been talk with Chadstone ever expanding the Alemain line could run to Chadstone and connect to Oakleigh.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

>Footy Sunday
>Need the Lilydale or Belgrve train to get home
> At least 3 went past not in service
> Then 2 Glen Waverley ones in a row

WOT

 

[FootyJunkie]

>Footy Sunday
>Need the Lilydale or Belgrve train to get home
> At least 3 went past not in service
> Then 2 Glen Waverley ones in a row

WOT

WAT lady or GTFO