The off topic thread 3.0

[SM]

Yay reports of more terror in London. Finsbury Park this time

Interesting choice of words which you've completely back pedaled from now that more details are known.

 

[SM]

A hate crime can range from hurling insults to murder. This is definitely a hate crime. The liberals will call it terrorism though to suit their own agenda

You called it terrorism before you knew who had been targeted FFS..

 

[SM]

By your definition the haka is considered terrorism. You're oversimplifying it. Terrorism is politically motivated. This was a hate crime.

The only one over-simplifying things is you, what a ridiculous comparison.

So it's a hate crime if it's carried out against a minority, but when said minority carries out attacks against white people it's terrorism?

Terrorism can be hate crimes at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

You called it terrorism before you knew who had been targeted FFS..

Because no doubt it would have been done in the name of ISIS had the perpetrator been a Muslim. I ask again, whose name would this be in had it been committed by a white Christian and what history do they have of terror related incidents?

 

[SM]

Because no doubt it would have been done in the name of ISIS had the perpetrator been a Muslim. I ask again, whose name would this be in had it been committed by a white Christian and what history do they have of terror related incidents?

EDL stabbed a politician, or was that a hate crime too? Or I suppose it was just someone with a history of mental illness. Or any of the other go-to excuses from the right.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

So according to SM any hate crime is actually terrorism. Cool. He'll Probably be calling discrimination terror related next

 

[WealstoneRaider]

EDL stabbed a politician, or was that a hate crime too? Or I suppose it was just someone with a history of mental illness. Or any of the other go-to excuses from the right.

You are so absurd it's comical

 

[SM]

So according to SM any hate crime is actually terrorism. Cool. He'll Probably be calling discrimination terror related next

That's absolutely not what I've said at all, stop being ridiculous.

 

[SM]

You are so absurd it's comical

Nice to see you've completely ignored me calling you out for labelling this as a terror incident before you realised who'd been targeted.

 

[Buckleys Jocks]

FFS. Can you two just let it go for once?

 

[Quivorir]

So according to SM any hate crime is actually terrorism. Cool. He'll Probably be calling discrimination terror related next

Do you actually read?

 

[Gosha]

The only one over-simplifying things is you, what a ridiculous comparison.

So it's a hate crime if it's carried out against a minority, but when said minority carries out attacks against white people it's terrorism?

Terrorism can be hate crimes at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course it's ridiculous. My example was to highlight the fact that it's not as definitive as you're making it out to be.

You're the one who offered up an overly simplistic "definition" of terrorism. You obviously have no grasp on the subject when you fail to mention motivation.

 

[SM]

Of course it's ridiculous. My example was to highlight the fact that it's not as definitive as you're making it out to be.

You're the one who offered up an overly simplistic "definition" of terrorism. You obviously have no grasp on the subject when you fail to mention motivation.

I did mention motivation, in fact that's the entire basis for the definition.

The bloke has driven into a crowd of Muslims, you reckon he did it because one of them didn't give him the right change at the pub earlier that day? Or do you reckon he was maybe sending a message to Muslims after recent attacks?

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Nice to see you've completely ignored me calling you out for labelling this as a terror incident before you realised who'd been targeted.

From the start I thought it was against muslims because the report suggested such. Then I thought about it and decided it's not a terror incident if that is the case. You can go ahead and call the attacks on the British public by muslims hate crimes also - but the difference is they are doing it in the name of Allah and with the intention of starting religious or otherwise conflict across the world. There's a big difference

 

[Gosha]

I did mention motivation, in fact that's the entire basis for the definition.

The bloke has driven into a crowd of Muslims, you reckon he did it because one of them didn't give him the right change at the pub earlier that day? Or do you reckon he was maybe sending a message to Muslims after recent attacks?

Must've missed it. Where did you mention motivation in your definition?

 

[Jatz]

Knobhead

Who are you referring to as a knobhead? SM or the guy that ran them over?

 

[SM]

Must've missed it. Where did you mention motivation in your definition?

Probably the part where I said terrorism is any illegal act carried out to incite terror. You can throw in that it's generally politically motivated if you want, but it still makes this incident relevant.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Who are you referring to as a knobhead? SM or the guy that ran them over?

The driver

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Probably the part where I said terrorism is any illegal act carried out to incite terror. You can throw in that it's generally politically motivated if you want, but it still makes this incident relevant.

Massively oversimplifying - again

 

[SM]

Massively oversimplifying - again

That's the definition, the only people oversimplifying is the right. Perpetrator = black/brown = terrorist; Perpetrator = white = hate crime/mentally unwell/motives unclear.

 

[Spanish Sahara]

bok_party

 

[WealstoneRaider]

That's the definition, the only people oversimplifying is the right. Perpetrator = black/brown = terrorist; Perpetrator = white = hate crime/mentally unwell/motives unclear.

I thought you was the part of the right - at least you once claimed you were on here?

No one is saying that, just your own misconceptions you have of evil white people probably. The IRA were terrorists - they were white. Many other groups who aren't dark skinned have also been involved in terrorism - including Muslim converts. Again you just love to over simplify to make your point

 

[chef]

bok_party

Oh yeah. Bring on the album

 

[SM]

Oh yeah. Bring on the album

I need some new music suggestions, realised I haven't got a new album in ages. Anything good in the last six months?

 

[Gosha]

Probably the part where I said terrorism is any illegal act carried out to incite terror. You can throw in that it's generally politically motivated if you want, but it still makes this incident relevant.

You said:

"Terrorism by definition is carrying out an action designed to incite terror."

You never mentioned motivation or it being an unlawful act, hence under your definition the haka is considered terrorism.

There is actually no universal consensus in regards to the definition of terrorism because it's impossible to untangle the overlaps within each defining principle. Covering all aspects included in the definition is a problem the international community struggle with and it is far too broad an exercise for the scope of my post, but here you are thinking you're able sum it up in twelve words. Forgive me if I think you're oversimplifying things.