The off topic thread 5.0

[SM]

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Really hope these curves start bending.

Speaking of the Western world, I still find it confusing that China and specifically Wuhan seem to have no new cases, unless they're just being ignored? Not suggesting anything wacky beyond possibly them having a more efficient vaccine that we don't know about? Or are they simply not reporting things anymore?

 

[Quivorir]

Speaking of the Western world, I still find it confusing that China and specifically Wuhan seem to have no new cases, unless they're just being ignored? Not suggesting anything wacky beyond possibly them having a more efficient vaccine that we don't know about? Or are they simply not reporting things anymore?

Do you trust China to accurately report on anything?

 

[SM]

Do you trust China to accurately report on anything?

Well I guess that's my point, is it just them not reporting or have they actually got on top of it? Pretty wild if 18 months ago they cared enough to lock up apartment buildings but now they're just not reporting it. Or are they just not allowing International travel?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Speaking of the Western world, I still find it confusing that China and specifically Wuhan seem to have no new cases, unless they're just being ignored? Not suggesting anything wacky beyond possibly them having a more efficient vaccine that we don't know about? Or are they simply not reporting things anymore?

China covered up a a state mistake for 60 years that resulted in a famine that killed 50m people.

Covering up covid is a piece of piss for them.

 

[ADL9798]

Well I guess that's my point, is it just them not reporting or have they actually got on top of it? Pretty wild if 18 months ago they cared enough to lock up apartment buildings but now they're just not reporting it. Or are they just not allowing International travel?

I remember having this discussion at the beginning of the pandemic.

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if they were under reporting, equally I wouldn't be surprised if an authoritarian regime with a dubious record when it comes to human rights like the Chinese government were pretty good at ensuring compliance.

We also know Asian cultures are well versed with responding to respiratory viruses (use of masks were commonplace in many Asian countries well before COVID came along).

 

[Bojan KantKick]

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Really hope these curves start bending.

The UK is back on the herd immunity train so nobody gives a shit about number of cases, only deaths. Should also be known that the UK tests a lot more than anywhere else.

Anyone can get the 2nd jab now at a walk in centre as long as they have had 8 weeks between the 1st and 2nd jab.

 

[ADL9798]

The UK is back on the herd immunity train so nobody gives a sh*t about number of cases, only deaths. Should also be known that the UK tests a lot more than anywhere else.

Anyone can get the 2nd jab now at a walk in centre as long as they have had 8 weeks between the 1st and 2nd jab.

While it's a great news story for the UK that death rates are lower than they were last wave, it's not just about deaths.

Following our conversation the other day - here's a good explanation (based on UK ICNARC data) of how uncontrolled covid epidemics create blockages in the hospital system (preventing people from accessing care for other health issues).




TL;DR 1 COVID patient taking up an ICU bed could mean 5 to 30 patients having cancer/heart surgery cancelled.

Many hospitals take the step of pre-emptively cancelling elective surgery during outbreaks in anticipation of this.

It's this sort of thing as well as risk aversion by health services that are the major drivers behind broader impacts of the pandemic on other health issues, not government imposed restrictions.

In the years to come, this (+ long COVID) is likely to have significant downstream health and economic impacts in countries that failed to control COVID.

 

[chef]

How long does the vaccine last for?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

While it's a great news story for the UK that death rates are lower than they were last wave, it's not just about deaths.

Following our conversation the other day - here's a good explanation (based on UK ICNARC data) of how uncontrolled covid epidemics create blockages in the hospital system (preventing people from accessing care for other health issues).




TL;DR 1 COVID patient taking up an ICU bed could mean 5 to 30 patients having cancer/heart surgery cancelled.

Many hospitals take the step of pre-emptively cancelling elective surgery during outbreaks in anticipation of this.

It's this sort of thing as well as risk aversion by health services that are the major drivers behind broader impacts of the pandemic on other health issues, not government imposed restrictions.

In the years to come, this is likely to have significant downstream health and economic impacts in countries that failed to control COVID.

NHS Hospitals haven't been treating cancer patients or other critical illnesses during covid.

Locking down has caused a shed load of deaths.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

While it's a great news story for the UK that death rates are lower than they were last wave, it's not just about deaths.

Following our conversation the other day - here's a good explanation (based on UK ICNARC data) of how uncontrolled covid epidemics create blockages in the hospital system (preventing people from accessing care for other health issues).




TL;DR 1 COVID patient taking up an ICU bed could mean 5 to 30 patients having cancer/heart surgery cancelled.

Many hospitals take the step of pre-emptively cancelling elective surgery during outbreaks in anticipation of this.

It's this sort of thing as well as risk aversion by health services that are the major drivers behind broader impacts of the pandemic on other health issues, not government imposed restrictions.

In the years to come, this is likely to have significant downstream health and economic impacts in countries that failed to control COVID.

If you are going for herd immunity then everything else is collateral damage I guess.

 

[jd2010]

I'm just glad I'm not over there for Boris' open up experiment. It could come off and the economy will hum and his approval rating soars. But I wouldn't like the gamble personally

 

[ADL9798]

NHS Hospitals haven't been treating cancer patients or other critical illnesses during covid.

Locking down has caused a shed load of deaths.

Yes, but that’s not because of lockdowns (accessing essential healthcare has always been an exemption).

It’s because those hospitals have either been:

1. full of COVID patients;
2. pre-emptively clearing elective surgery lists in anticipation of a surge in COVID patients; or
3. restricting access during periods of high incidence as a precaution to protect staff and patients from people who are or might be infected with COVID.

If you don't effectively control the virus (whether that's by lockdowns or other measures), then these impacts are more significant and prolonged.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

How long does the vaccine last for?

No idea if it’s true but I’ve heard you need a yearly booster shot.

 

[chef]

No idea if it’s true but I’ve heard you need a yearly booster shot.

So we'll have to have lockdowns every year or let it rip?

 

[jd2010]

So we'll have to have lockdowns every year or let it rip?

Booster roll-out program should definitely be a bit better run than the current ones

 

[SM]

So we'll have to have lockdowns every year or let it rip?

Yeah that's my concern, whether we have to do an annual lockdown while the new booster gets rolled out.

 

[jd2010]

Just saw the contact tracing map of rhe Vic cases. If only the 4th case didn't go to the riveting Carlton v Geelong game....

54/57 cases have come as a result of that game and the Young & Jackson pre game

 

[Oshka]

Does anyone else think China intentionally released Covid to the world or am I on my own with this one?

 

[Loonerty]

Eventually we will have the capacity to manufacture it here and it'll be like a more required flu shot I think.

Obviously the reason being that after 12 months the 5G signal goes down to 1 bar so you need the booster to get it back full.

 

[jd2010]

Does anyone else think China intentionally released Covid to the world or am I on my own with this one?

That was my initial gut feel

 

[SM]

Does anyone else think China intentionally released Covid to the world or am I on my own with this one?

For a long time I thought it was a dumb theory, but I reconsider more and more.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Does anyone else think China intentionally released Covid to the world or am I on my own with this one?

I'm still up in the air on whether it was intentional but it definitely came from a lab. The wet market theory went out the window for me months ago.

 

[Oshka]

Interesting feedback. Thought I would be the only one. Obviously I hope I’m wrong, but there are so many things which lead me to believe otherwise.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Yes, but that’s not because of lockdowns (accessing essential healthcare has always been an exemption).

It’s because those hospitals have either been:

1. full of COVID patients;
2. pre-emptively clearing elective surgery lists in anticipation of a surge in COVID patients; or
3. restricting access during periods of high incidence as a precaution to protect staff and patients from people who are or might be infected with COVID.

If you don't effectively control the virus (whether that's by lockdowns or other measures), then these impacts are more significant and prolonged.

Responding to your points in order:

1. Hospitals weren't at capacity. For example, Nightingale was a precaution but not used.
2. Wouldn't say chemo is elective, nor is most of the stuff the NHS does. A client of mine remortgaged his house to pay for his wife's chemo privately because the NHS turned her away due to covid. The private hospital told them she would be dead in 3 months if she hadn't gone private. Said client is now in financial distress because of the private hospital bill, higher mortgage payments, and his business is ****ed as a result of lockdowns.
3. That's fair enough but a shitload of people have died/will die as a direct result of this.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Interesting feedback. Thought I would be the only one. Obviously I hope I’m wrong, but there are so many things which lead me to believe otherwise.

Personally I think it was Scomo who was struggling after the bushfires.