The off topic thread

[WealstoneRaider]

I don't get what everyone is so surprised and angry about. Majority of voters don't like the world they live in and were given a vote to make a change. They've got a democratic right to do it. If life was so dandy in the UK and EUROPE before the vote most people wouldn't want a change, but it's not. Majority of poms didn't like where their future was heading so they made a call to leave. If that makes it worse at least they have themselves to blame, but in the future long run it won't be much different. The rich will stay rich and the poor stay poor and the middle class will remain a blip on the radar over there

Well said JD.

People are jumping on this immigration thing way too much. It played a part, but most people realise all western societies rely on immigration - it's just that most people also realise it should be managed sensibly which has not been happening in the UK for years. Throw in the fact that there is now a large mistrust with the political elite in general, who through trying to appeal to all end up telling lies or false promises, plus a general dislike of some of the absurd laws forced upon us from Brussels, then a leave result is what you end up with.

 

[Zidane98]

I do notice that the highest turnout for voting came from the pensioner age group. 18-24 the lowest turnout who the clear majority voted remain. You can't help but feel remain would have won with mandatory voting like we have in Australia.

 

[jd2010]

Well said JD.

People are jumping on this immigration thing way too much. It played a part, but most people realise all western societies rely on immigration - it's just that most people also realise it should be managed sensibly which has not been happening in the UK for years. Throw in the fact that there is now a large mistrust with the political elite in general, who through trying to appeal to all end up telling lies or false promises, plus a general dislike of some of the absurd laws forced upon us from Brussels, then a leave result is what you end up with.

This isn't a dig at the UK but after living there for a couple of years I'm really not surprised 17m people thought "you know what sod this life is tough and I'm not happy with how my future looks"

I'd get that sense whether that was in zone 2 London (in some areas) or if that was somewhere like Birmingham or Scampaignerhorpe.

 

[SM]

no offence mate, but i'd have thought the opinions over here are more relevant than whatever the people of Sydney think.

I suggest you look at the data and financial markets. The bias in this debate from those reporting it is significant (both ways).

You should also consider that the information provided to voters was absolutely ridiculous. It was very very difficult for voters to make an informed decision on the referendum.

Remain talked about WW3 and terrorism (and got laughed at) and lied about turkey and were led by a flog that nobody likes whilst Leave talked about candy, rainbows and sovereignty and were led by a loveable oaf.

Remain have nobody to blame but themselves. They should have pissed it in.

When I say "talking to people" do you think I mean the average Joe Blogs in the streets in Sydney?

Of course I mean people living over there, such as my half-sister...

 

[SM]

Lefties get so upset when things don't go their way. I tend to see far more hatred from the centre left than I do the centre right to be honest. They do themselves no favours

I tend to see more hatred from the centre right in regards to most social issues - gay marriage, gun control in the US, transgender rights, etc. etc. etc.

The anger on the left is only when, as you say, they don't get their way - e.g. with Bernie Sanders.

 

[jd2010]

Lol poor scun Thorpe got auto corrected

 

[SM]

Liverpool voters backed remain quite strongly with good reason. Below is a good article:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/17-things-european-funding-done-10925208

Liverpool has benefitted enormously from EU integration and also being named European capital of culture in 2008. Certainly better off in the EU then relying on the southerner government which has traditionally neglected Merseyside in the past.

Sad that many couldn't actually do their research properly before voting. A lot questioning Hull's right to be City of Culture for next year with 70% voting out, and the amount of racism that has cropped up recently in the area.

 

[Latro]

Sad that many couldn't actually do their research properly before voting. A lot questioning Hull's right to be City of Culture for next year with 70% voting out, and the amount of racism that has cropped up recently in the area.

This is what I think Hull is like.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I tend to see more hatred from the centre right in regards to most social issues - gay marriage, gun control in the US, transgender rights, etc. etc. etc.

The anger on the left is only when, as you say, they don't get their way - e.g. with Bernie Sanders.

You have a point, although that is more in the US.

Over here, the centre right are what you call "the silent majority". The middle classes who live in the suburbs and towns and villages in the UK. They don't use Twitter or other social media to vent their anger or go on matches protesting against one thing or another. The left make an awful lot of vitriolic noise, while the right just get on with things but make their voices heard through the ballot box

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

When I say "talking to people" do you think I mean the average Joe Blogs in the streets in Sydney?

Of course I mean people living over there, such as my half-sister...

you are hard to read at the moment mate. You made a comment relating to your colleagues being upset in the office!
I'm not a mind reader!

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

 

[SM]

you are hard to read at the moment mate. You made a comment relating to your colleagues being upset in the office!
I'm not a mind reader!

Didn't know they were considered 'Joe Blogs' on the streets. Would have thought people working in Financial Services would be fairly clued in to the impact that this would have on Britain and Europe..

A fair chunk of them were secondees from England as well.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

Didn't know they were considered 'Joe Blogs' on the streets. Would have thought people working in Financial Services would be fairly clued in to the impact that this would have on Britain and Europe..

A fair chunk of them were secondees from England as well.

You say that mate but then disregard the views of people like me who work in financial services in Britain and are surrounded by Poms and Europeans

It'll be interesting to hear peoples views in 6 months if one of, if not the most multicultural country in the world, France, leaves the EU as expected.

 

[SM]

You say that mate but then disregard the views of people like me who work in financial services in Britain and are surrounded by Poms and Europeans

It'll be interesting to hear peoples views in 6 months if one of, if not the most multicultural country in the world, France, leaves the EU as expected.

Not sure I disregarded, I disagreed with your views and cited the evidence upon which that disagreement is based. It's called a discussion mate, if people always ceded to people living in close proximity to an event, you would never argue with Moomba about United's youf Academy.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

Not sure I disregarded, I disagreed with your views and cited the evidence upon which that disagreement is based. It's called a discussion mate, if people always ceded to people living in close proximity to an event, you would never argue with Moomba about United's youf Academy.

when did you do this friend?

tbf, you have at least pointed to arguments for remain that aren't exclusively linked to racism On your last sentence, I agree that proximity is rather irrelevant as long as the people arguing for the other side understand both sides of the argument. Moomba just knows my weakspot when it comes to trolling United

The media are already talking shit about breaking English law and calling another referendum because the votes didn't reach a mythical 75% threshold. The BBC did run a 30 min program where they spoke to about 10 different people re: there reasons for voting leave. Only 2 out of the 10 cited immigration. It can come across as fairly patronising when 17m+ people are labelled as racists.

 

[jd2010]

when did you do this friend?

tbf, you have at least pointed to arguments for remain that aren't exclusively linked to racism On your last sentence, I agree that proximity is rather irrelevant as long as the people arguing for the other side understand both sides of the argument. Moomba just knows my weakspot when it comes to trolling United

The media are already talking shit about breaking English law and calling another referendum because the votes didn't reach a mythical 75% threshold. The BBC did run a 30 min program where they spoke to about 10 different people re: there reasons for voting leave. Only 2 out of the 10 cited immigration. It can come across as fairly patronising when 17m+ people are labelled as racists.

Good on the BBC for not picking out the idiots. Stupid people make for better tv than your everyday person. That's why there'll be more grabs of interviews of people like the guy from Barnsley or the ones saying they voted leave for a joke, it fits a story and is more entertaining

 

[SM]

when did you do this friend?

tbf, you have at least pointed to arguments for remain that aren't exclusively linked to racism On your last sentence, I agree that proximity is rather irrelevant as long as the people arguing for the other side understand both sides of the argument. Moomba just knows my weakspot when it comes to trolling United

The media are already talking shit about breaking English law and calling another referendum because the votes didn't reach a mythical 75% threshold. The BBC did run a 30 min program where they spoke to about 10 different people re: there reasons for voting leave. Only 2 out of the 10 cited immigration. It can come across as fairly patronising when 17m+ people are labelled as racists.

I've posted a fair few stats about why those that voted leave really shouldn't have, as well as pointing out the damage that has already been done.

Doing it after the fact is stupid, but there really should have been a minimum threshold for either side to reach that was above 50%. For such a significant decision to be decided by a mere 2% is a bit fine.

It can come across fairly patronising, agreed. Much like Farage and others labelling those that voted remain as indecent, or suggesting that those who voted Remain should shut up and accept it, rather than be upset. There's been a lot of name calling from both sides.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

I've posted a fair few stats about why those that voted leave really shouldn't have, as well as pointing out the damage that has already been done.

Doing it after the fact is stupid, but there really should have been a minimum threshold for either side to reach that was above 50%. For such a significant decision to be decided by a mere 2% is a bit fine.

It can come across fairly patronising, agreed. Much like Farage and others labelling those that voted remain as indecent, or suggesting that those who voted Remain should shut up and accept it, rather than be upset. There's been a lot of name calling from both sides.

Unfortunately, it seems as though a lot of people on here believe that those that voted out are Farage supporters or share his views which is rubbish. I've been trying to tell people not to listen to him haha. I got into a bit of trouble with the missus today for laughing quite loudly at one of her friends who tried to tell me that voting out of Europe was the beginning of fascism in Britain and world war 3 in Europe

Nah, the margin is irrelevant imo, they could solve this by making voting on referendums compulsory. Can't do that stuff after the fact though.

The name calling is what really cost the Remain campaign.

 

[glenferry23]

Watched The Fugitive again tonight for about the sixth time, this time with the missus.

Bloody hell, what a film.

I'm telling you, I didn't do anything!

I don't care!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

My glasses....

 

[Gosha]

Anthony Joshua is a f***ing beast. So humble as well.

 

[moomba]

To be fair I'm not the only person in the world to question Uniteds youth academy, including many United supporters and it seems their administration who felt it necessary to overhaul it.

Proximity has also allowed me to see a number of games live including several of their all conquering U18 side that failed to qualify for the top two divisions of the league.

Hi Bojan

 

[Cruyff14]

I'm telling you, I didn't do anything!

I don't care!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

My glasses....

Wasn't until a few years ago I realised this season parodied The Fugitive.

What ep is that from? I was trying to remember but couldn't.

 

[glenferry23]

Wasn't until a few years ago I realised this season parodied The Fugitive.

What ep is that from? I was trying to remember but couldn't.

I can't take that scene in The Fugitive seriously anymore, all I think about is the way Milhouse asks for his glasses.

Pretty sure it's from the episode Lisa's Rival. Bart somehow gets Milhouse onto Americas most wanted.

 

[SM]

Interesting. Doctor Bojan_?

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...cy-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

To be fair I'm not the only person in the world to question Uniteds youth academy, including many United supporters and it seems their administration who felt it necessary to overhaul it.

Proximity has also allowed me to see a number of games live including several of their all conquering U18 side that failed to qualify for the top two divisions of the league.

Hi Bojan