The on topic thread 4.0

[Frank Bunn]

Missing penalties and Campbells disallowed goal cost England more.

Maybe it wouldn't have gone to penalties if England hadn't had to play the 2nd half and extra time with 10 men. Most refs would have given the foul on the keeper by Shearer as Campbell headed it in.

It was a cheap move to put it all on Beckham.

He didn't. He said Beckham's red card "cost England dearly".

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Maybe it wouldn't have gone to penalties if England hadn't had to play the 2nd half and extra time with 10 men. Most refs would have given the foul on the keeper by Shearer as Campbell headed it in.



He didn't. He said Beckham's red card "cost England dearly".

Yes, in full knowledge of what the press would do.

 

[Zidane98]

Zidane98

It's hard to keep track of all the the times England choke / snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[hawkman]

Going to make sure I apply for tickets to any of the games. Knowing my luck I'll get Albania v Lithuania. (Obviously depending who qualifies).

The worst thing will be deciding qualification. England would normally qualify on their own but Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Occupied Ireland may not so who do the 2 spots go to? Will they risk having 2 hosts not qualify? Hell Casement Park in Belfast hasn't even started to be redeveloped yet.

Might be the only way to see good football at the new Everton stadium

 

[Zidane98]

Might be the only way to see good football at the new Everton stadium

Bit harsh, there is some good football played in League 2 these days.

 

[ADL9798]

It's not the national manager's job to coddle players. He's only got them for a few days each season. The job is to get players who are performing at the top level for different clubs to gel together.

Hoddle gave a realistic assessment about the Beckham red card. It cost England dearly. Did Becks deserve the acrimony that followed? Of course not.

It’s not about coddling players, it’s about showing leadership.

In the dressing room, behind closed doors, tear them to shreds. No issues.

But you have to be presenting a united front externally. For 100.00% of the best managers this is how they work. Even to the point of making them sound ridiculously parochial in post-game interviews at times, and we all take the piss out of them when they do this.

But the minute you start blaming individuals or throwing people under the bus for your failures as a team, you lose the trust of the players, you lose the dressing room, they’re not going to buy into what you’re trying to achieve, and pretty quickly you’re going to lose your job.

 

[Zidane98]

It’s not about coddling players, it’s about showing leadership.

In the dressing room, behind closed doors, tear them to shreds. No issues.

But you have to be presenting a united front externally. For 100.00% of the best managers this is how they work. Even to the point of making them sound ridiculously parochial in post-game interviews at times, and we all take the piss out of them when they do this.

But the minute you start blaming individuals or throwing people under the bus for your failures as a team, you lose the trust of the players, you lose the dressing room, they’re not going to buy into what you’re trying to achieve, and pretty quickly you’re going to lose your job.

This is grizzly old Mou to a tee.

 

[Frank Bunn]

It’s not about coddling players, it’s about showing leadership.

In the dressing room, behind closed doors, tear them to shreds. No issues.

But you have to be presenting a united front externally. For 100.00% of the best managers this is how they work. Even to the point of making them sound ridiculously parochial in post-game interviews at times, and we all take the piss out of them when they do this.

But the minute you start blaming individuals or throwing people under the bus for your failures as a team, you lose the trust of the players, you lose the dressing room, they’re not going to buy into what you’re trying to achieve, and pretty quickly you’re going to lose your job.

Mourinho, Guardiola and Ferguson have all criticised players in public before.

 

[ADL9798]

Mourinho, Guardiola and Ferguson have all criticised players in public before.

Haha. You’re really going to die on the hill that publicly throwing your own players under the bus is good management?

Ok mate.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Haha. You’re really going to die on the hill that publicly throwing your own players under the bus is good management?

Ok mate.

You pretty much said that 100% of the best managers don't ever criticise players in public. They sometimes do. Unless you don't think Mourinho, Guardiola and Ferguson are top managers?

 

[Cruyff14]

You pretty much said that 100% of the best managers don't ever criticise players in public. They sometimes do. Unless you don't think Mourinho, Guardiola and Ferguson are not top managers?

Wenger never did it, Ferguson didn't do it.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Wenger never did it, Ferguson didn't do it.

Ferguson publicly criticised Rooney a number of times including calling him 'stocky' after players ran past him. He singled out Nani and Smalling after they had bad games.

Pep said Kalvin Phillips was overweight. He dropped Walker and publicly said he's not capable of playing in the hybrid full back/mid position.

Mourinho singled out Luke Shaw for criticism.

 

[moomba]

Pep tends to publicly criticise players when they're on top of things (maybe knock them back a peg or two) and defend them when they're not doing well.

Kalvin Phillips was a bit of an outlier, but that whole transfer has been a bit weird.

 

[RossFC]

 

[RPCB]

Amazing to think of all the abuse David Beckham was subjected to during the entire 1998/99 season and he ended up coming 2nd in the Ballon d’Or. How could he even function?

 

[Jatz]

Yeah, absolutely phenomenal response. Hard not to respect the man so much more after that.

 

[Buckleys Jocks]

Ferguson publicly criticised Rooney a number of times including calling him 'stocky' after players ran past him. He singled out Nani and Smalling after they had bad games.

Pep said Kalvin Phillips was overweight. He dropped Walker and publicly said he's not capable of playing in the hybrid full back/mid position.

Mourinho singled out Luke Shaw for criticism.

There's a difference between a coach giving a player a whack when needed every now and then vs a coach completely throwing a player under the bus.

Rooney & Phillips arguably did deserve a little criticism in the instances you've mentioned. I don't think either Ferguson or Pep were unjustified in those moments. Whereas Mourinho with Shaw was another level entirely where Mourinho went out of his way to criticise the player at every opportunity he could find, to the point where it was essentially bullying.

You would never see Ferguson, Pep, or Klopp respond to media questioning about a players mistake by throwing them under the bus. That's terrible man management. Ferguson used to come out with some outrageous comments to take the attention away from his players in these circumstances and these days Klopp is regularly mocked for doing that too.

 

[Zidane98]

Of all the random football headlines I have read this is one I certainly wasn't expecting:

 

[RPCB]

Of all the random football headlines I have read this is one I certainly wasn't expecting:

Sturridge about to roll up to court like a gangster after finding a spare $30k under his bed.

 

[Zidane98]

Sturridge about to roll up to court like a gangster after finding a spare $30k under his bed.

Maybe he can just say he is injured and can't attend.

 

[RPCB]

Maybe he can just say he is injured and can't attend.

Nice. Make up an excuse that is totally believable.

 

[chef]

 

[Cruyff14]

Ferguson publicly criticised Rooney a number of times including calling him 'stocky' after players ran past him. He singled out Nani and Smalling after they had bad games.

Pep said Kalvin Phillips was overweight. He dropped Walker and publicly said he's not capable of playing in the hybrid full back/mid position.

Mourinho singled out Luke Shaw for criticism.

I didn't mention Pep or Mourinho.

What about Wenger?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[Bojan KantKick]