The on topic thread

[FAITH]

thoughts on salary capa in epl?

 

[Cruyff14]

No.

 

[FAITH]

yes for me

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Wouldn't stop cheating if that's your angle.

 

[chef]

Wouldn't stop teams blowing their money on crap players

 

[FAITH]

like the aleague it makes the comp more even.
would give teams like hull and leiceater a greater chance of making top 4

 

[moomba]

Salary caps won't work because there is such a discrepancy between wages atm. You'd either have to have the cap at a level most clubs can't afford, or tell the likes of City, Chelsea, United etc they are going to have to cull three quarters of their squad. There ends competitiveness in Champions League etc

There has always been suggestions of a salary cap linked to each teams revenue. To me thats just another way of maintaining the status quo at the top.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Against EU law (i think) and it will put clubs at a distinct disadvantage in europe.

 

[Loonerty]

The capitalisation in the thread title is putting me off. Jatz please fix.

 

[Magma]

The capitalisation in the thread title is putting me off. Jatz please fix.

take your off topic views to the aptly named off topic thread m8

 

[Shoei]

with some QUICK RESEARCH

profit: aj11, mario, boateng, negredo (theoretically)
money back: mario
lost money: jo, ben haim, glauber, robinho, bridge, bellamy, de jong, given, barry, santa cruz, tevez, adebayor, kolo, lescott, fernandes, savic, pants, swp, rodders, sinclair (if it goes through), maicon, nasty, garcia

i think that's all happened after the takeover. some may not have. point remains though, we've clearly bought for the here and now and now it remains to be seen with the current guys whether or not we play them or sell the talented ones for large profits.

That's always been my biggest gripe with City and Chelsea. The players you've lost money on would be completely unsustainable at any club that was using their own finances.

Tevez alone would have been a £20 million + loss
Robinho -£15 million
Adebayor - £20 million
Jo - £15 million
Bellamy -£14 million
Lescott - £20 million
Santa Cruz - £17 Million

And thats not even including wages.

 

[moomba]

That's always been my biggest gripe with City and Chelsea. The players you've lost money on would be completely unsustainable at any club that was using their own finances.

Tevez alone would have been a £20 million + loss
Robinho -£15 million
Adebayor - £20 million
Jo - £15 million
Bellamy -£14 million
Lescott - £20 million
Santa Cruz - £17 Million

And thats not even including wages.

Without spending money we wouldnt have had access to the £30m or so worth of champions league money we have earned for the last four years (soon to rise to £50-60m a year) , not to mention hundreds of millions worth of commercial and broadcasting income we've earned by virtue of bring one of the top sides.

This is the problem with football.

It's all well and good for those clubs at the top to say 'spend what you earn' when they earn more than anyone else, partly by virtue of being at the top. They get the increased prize money, they get regular champions league money. No-one can jump onto the gravy train, and the rich get richer.

And in every case, a large reason why these clubs were at the top was because of the largesse of businessmen in years gone by.

And if you ask any businessman whether they would be prepared to absorb large losses in the short term if it guaranteed large increases in annual income, most would say it makes good business sense.

 

[Zidane98]

You could say that of any business though. Throw enough money at any business and you'll get success. No normally run club would have been able to sustain the losses that City or Chelsea in the early days incurred and survive.

 

[moomba]

You could say that of any business though. Throw enough money at any business and you'll get success. No normally run club would have been able to sustain the losses that City or Chelsea in the early days incurred and survive.

But we could sustain it, so happy days. Liverpool have incurred debt to make their club stronger in the future. Some clubs couldnt sustain that but you can. Happy days for you.

 

[Zidane98]

But we could sustain it, so happy days. Liverpool have incurred debt to make their club stronger in the future. Some clubs couldnt sustain that but you can. Happy days for you.

Not even close to being the same scenario.

 

[chef]

You could say that of any business though. Throw enough money at any business and you'll get success. No normally run club would have been able to sustain the losses that City or Chelsea in the early days incurred and survive.

But we did and now we dont need Romans wealth. Self sufficient happy days

 

[Zidane98]

If

But we did and now we dont need Romans wealth. Self sufficient happy days

Looking at your finances sees losses of 50 million pound a year for the last 5 seasons with the exception of 11/12 with the CL win. If Roman pulled the pin you would survive but would seriously inhibit your ability to buy big name players on large contracts.

You'd also be up shit creek in a worst case scenario without CL qualification.

 

[moomba]

Not even close to being the same scenario.

Of couse not. When Liverpool lose £100m over a two year period it's good, healthy losses. When Chelsea or Man city lose £100m it's nasty, bad for football losses.

We all know where you stand.

 

[Zidane98]

Of couse not. When Liverpool lose £100m over a two year period it's good, healthy losses. When Chelsea or Man city lose £100m it's nasty, bad for football losses.

We all know where you stand.

50m of that was dealing with bad decisions made by a previous owner. That could have been spread out over 5 years if needed but getting it out the way was the right thing to do.

We have always been self sustainable as have United & Arsenal.

 

[moomba]

50m of that was dealing with bad decisions made by a previous owner. That could have been spread out over 5 years if needed but getting it out the way was the right thing to do.

We have always been self sustainable as have United & Arsenal.

Why do you keep repeating this £50m lie. FSG loaned money to the club to pay off a debt. You owed money to someone, you now owe it to someone else. It has nothing to do with profit and loss.

Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United wouldnt be here today if not for wealthy businessmen.

 

[Zidane98]

Why do you keep repeating this £50m lie. FSG loaned money to the club to pay off a debt. You owed money to someone, you now owe it to someone else. It has nothing to do with profit and loss.

Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United wouldnt be here today if not for wealthy businessmen.

It isn't a lie. Most our debts & losses incurred in recent times all relate back to Hicks & Gillett.

No club anywhere would exist anywhere without businessmen. Very few have existed by spending unsustainable amounts though. FFP done properly would put more clubs on a level playing field but unfortunately as you say it appears to be used as a tool to maintain the status quo for elite clubs.

 

[chef]

If


Looking at your finances sees losses of 50 million pound a year for the last 5 seasons with the exception of 11/12 with the CL win. If Roman pulled the pin you would survive but would seriously inhibit your ability to buy big name players on large contracts.

You'd also be up shit creek in a worst case scenario without CL qualification.

We made 20m the year just been, lost 30m year before amd made 50m the year before.

We have a new shirt sponsorship coming next season (which is apparently going to be behind only United in value), we will have increased money from the EPL, apparently we are selling the naming rights for Cobham and Wimbledons old home ground once we purchase it to use for our youth and Ladies teams. Plus we will be making the usual sales on players for decent profit.

No where near shit creek buddy, give the obsession a rest. You and FAITH should just stick to worrying about your own teams.

And by the sound of things the SB expansion isn't to far away either with the architects who designed the birds nest and Allianz almost finished there final designs. Happy days.

 

[kreglze]

I would love Southampton to stay top 4 to buck the status quo. Probably not at our expense though

 

[Zidane98]

Are there still issues regarding expanding SB & the housing development? Is old mate Ken Bates not causing dramas anymore?

 

[Zidane98]

I would love Southampton to stay top 4 to buck the status quo. Probably not at our expense though

Arsenal are a lock for top 4. It just happens for them.