The on topic thread

[moomba]

If you let players do as they please you're not refereeing not to mention you will get flack after the game by said players for not controlling the match, if you're lucky they will be able to walk away from the match.

Not a matter of letting players do as they please. Just a matter of looking at the context, not just the words used. And showing a bit of common sense.

FWIW in the premier league I think refs let players get away with too much. But that has nothing to do with the language used.

 

[SM]

Ha ha. ******* hell. Good thing you don't have an overinflated sense of your own importance.

Won't someone think of the children.

What on earth are you on about now?

 

[jd2010]

I agree with Moomba that some common sense needs to be shown and refs do need a slightly thicker skin to gain respect. A card happy ref doesn't have respect and is likely to lose control of the game with more cards and send offs. A ref who is firm and logical will have far less problems than someone who is trying to assert their authority by flashing a yellow card to someone

 

[jd2010]

As a player I'd have more respect for a ref who tells me to shut up and get on with my game and it's end there and then than someone who gets out a yellow card trying to warn me that worse is to come. Let's face it I am 1 of 22 players + officials the ref is trying to maintain control over, I won't be the only one he has an issue with so he'll be carding quite a few and most refs won't have the cojanes to send multiple players off so there'll be major inconsistencies for what gets carded and what doesn't which is exactly what shouldn't happen

 

[Greendogg5]

Again if anyone's interested the latest episode of my Hull podcast is up:



Probably getting a bit ahead of myself but it's starting to get out to all sections of the City supporter base and getting a large amount of positive feedback, so if I could build a following getting up into the mid-hundreds or even pushing to 1,000 eventually, I might try and reach out to Allsopp or Garcia to see if they'd be willing to be interviewed for it.

That's great man. Good luck!

 

[jd2010]

Watching Leverkusen vs Wolfsburg. God it's painful to watch. 26 mins of nothing and this awful commentary from a studio away from the stadium makes it even worse

 

[jd2010]

Commentators curse. Goal to Brandt 27th minute

 

[SM]

First game surprise surprise I warned them about language, and no one swore at me and I handed out no cards. Game went smoothly and everyone showed me adequate respect.

 

[jd2010]

Was that the u18s?

 

[SM]

Was that the u18s?

Yep. U15s went even smoother.

 

[jd2010]

Yep. U15s went even smoother.

Yeah would have to be some pretty ratty kids to ark up at an adult ref after being warned

 

[Van_Dyke]

Yeah would have to be some pretty ratty kids to ark up at an adult ref after being warned

As someone who played 15's a few years back, you'd be surprised.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Once you start reffing, you invaribly start watching all games through the refs eyes - rather than as a supporter. Used to watch games with this ex semi-pro ref, who was a big West Ham fan - but he was always more concerned with lambasting the ref on any decision than he was in actually getting behind his team lol

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Yep, think I'm going to say something like this before the match:

"Any decision I make is final, I don't want any backchat about anything I do, and if I hear any swearing directed at me or about something I've done, that's a yellow in the first instance."

I'm actually itching to go card happy so any excuse will do. Gotta love a bit of a power trip.

Given it's U18s and U15s I think making them show respect is OK. I agree that's far better than them copying what they see on TV and whingeing/swearing/acting like they're God's Gift, etc.

At senior levels people will instinctively complain and swear on the pitch, though. In those cases just act like you couldn't care less, because why should you care? If they go over-the-top, then sure, you can act then. It's so annoying when someone is sent off for mumbling under their breath that it was an awful decision.

The problem is if you give out yellows early for not much then everyone will ask for them all game. There's a good chance you'll start more fights that way as it understandably irritates people and it can become about trying to get someone sent off, or people reacting violently to someone else suggesting they should be carded.

Also I like refs who explain themselves, but it generally reveals they've got it wrong, so I don't know if it's a smart move overall. If you're 100% certain and they're arking up just say you saw it clearly. They have nothing to retort to that if you did.

 

[SM]

This heat is ****ed. Just pulled up with cramp during my third game, and I'm meant to be playing next.

 

[SM]

Didn't even make it to half time playing my game, seized up with cramp. ****ing pissed.

 

[typeclub]

Given it's U18s and U15s I think making them show respect is OK. I agree that's far better than them copying what they see on TV and whingeing/swearing/acting like they're God's Gift, etc.

At senior levels people will instinctively complain and swear on the pitch, though. In those cases just act like you couldn't care less, because why should you care? If they go over-the-top, then sure, you can act then. It's so annoying when someone is sent off for mumbling under their breath that it was an awful decision.

The problem is if you give out yellows early for not much then everyone will ask for them all game. There's a good chance you'll start more fights that way as it understandably irritates people and it can become about trying to get someone sent off, or people reacting violently to someone else suggesting they should be carded.

Also I like refs who explain themselves, but it generally reveals they've got it wrong, so I don't know if it's a smart move overall. If you're 100% certain and they're arking up just say you saw it clearly. They have nothing to retort to that if you did.

There's nothing wrong with complaining and swearing or mumbling about decisions. If they mumble or shout personal abuse at the ref though, there's no tolerance.
You don't have to give out yellows for not much either. You can pretty much control a game normally going by the rules 99% of the time. The rules aren't really flawed and are justified. No one should be irritated that they're being officiated by a football ref in a football game unless they're brawlers, in which case the ref needs to do their job.

 

[typeclub]

First game surprise surprise I warned them about language, and no one swore at me and I handed out no cards. Game went smoothly and everyone showed me adequate respect.

I thought the 18's game would be tough. They are really fast, competitive and not so intelligent at the game which can be a recipe for disaster at times.

 

[SM]

I thought the 18's game would be tough. They are really fast, competitive and not so intelligent at the game which can be a recipe for disaster at times.

Yeah I was surprised. I gave a pen and there weren't many complaints, I had an assessor there and apart from being told to run more he said I was good. One of the u18s refs as well and I got the most lip from him but when I explained my calls he shut up so clearly I was getting most right.

Only clanger was paying a corner for a blatant goal kick but didn't see it properly at the time.

 

[Cruyff14]

Nice goal from Berisha.

 

[Gak Attack]

I reffed basketball for around 10 years. I found the u16's and u18's in that were the best to ref. You normally dodge the moronic parents you encounter at the younger ages and they're smart enough if you're hard to not carry on. I didn't mind doing women's games either, even when I got some lip it didn't seem to worry me with the women as much as men.. I must be sexist I guess.

Certainly agree with the no shit from them policy. I would let players get away with swearing if it was because of their error or a stuff up by their team as long as it wasn't loud enough to easily be heard in the crowd as there was always kids in the crowd. However if it was directed at me or about my call it was instant tech and if they carried on a second and out you go. Only really had to be an arseh*le for a year and then teams know you and know not to be idiots. Still had plenty of interesting events in my umpiring days though.

 

[SM]

Nice goal from Berisha.

You're watching A-League??

 

[Cruyff14]

You're watching A-League??

Thought I'd give it a shot after the conversation on here.

Victory cruising.

 

[SM]

Thought I'd give it a shot after the conversation on here.

Victory cruising.

Brave game to pick haha.

 

[Cruyff14]

Wellington are ****ing rubbish.