preseason draft is to offer that big name a heavily front loaded contract. Carlton won't match with their cash flow problems going for a younger cheaper option. Hopefully a Jimmy Bartel type hears a cha ching noise in his head and signs on the dotted line.(Please don't get outraged cat fans, he's a 1% chance of leaving) Failing that go for an Victorian youngster who is interstate (Daniel McConnell?) who is stuggling to get a senior game.
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There are a few I would target, Birss, Boyd, Salopek, Gilmore, Grima, Butler, Mconnell, Polak, Waters
Shop J Cloke, Lonie, Cole, Davis, Lockyer, Woey and O'bree around and see what we can get
And hope we get Ellis and Hurn in the draft
Shop J Cloke, Lonie, Cole, Davis, Lockyer, Woey and O'bree around and see what we can get
And hope we get Ellis and Hurn in the draft
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highly unlikely to get both Ellis and Hurn unless we trade for an earlier pick than 5
i wouldnt mind Birss but was mentioned a few days or so back that he has resigned with Doggies (not sure on that though), Salopek would be nice but unlikely, Butler no chance, Polak i dont really want, i think he is over rated, McConnell a fair chance and would be a good young player to pick up, doubt the Eagles would want to see him go easily though
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Interesting.PiePower said:
I'd just point out that those Collingwood names you've mentioned would be of zero interest to WC. They're the usual suspects in these Collingwood trade discussions. When will the penny drop that these guys won't get you much in return?
Why do Collingwood people think that anyone rates Leon Davis?
You're not going to get quality by shopping your duds.
Those WC players you've listed are all pretty highly-rated.
They're 19-20 y.o. and have had two years of development at WC.
Waters went at #11, Butler at #20 and McConnell at #26 in 2003.
All three of them would be handy at Collingwood, but what would you offer?
Those names you mentioned would not go anywhere near satisfying WC, especially when other clubs will be interested if those WC guys are on the table.
You guys need to start thinking about trading something of actual value instead of shopping middle-aged or one-dimensional fringe players.
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Cole went top five - you gunna throw in a pick with one of those players to even up the ledger? Brayden Shaw went f/s but would have gone top ten.
None of those players named have achieved much - they dont have much trade value either.
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The difference is that WC isn't looking to trade them. Collingwood are the ones eyeing off players from other teams.hotpie said:
This isn't a discussion about "who's better out of Cole and Butler/McConnell/Waters". It's about what Collingwood can offer to improve their list through trades.
If Collingwood people are talking about trading for highly-rated youngsters at other clubs, they should consider actually offering something that those sides need.
In the case of WC parting with those guys mentioned, neither Cole nor Shaw would meet our needs.
So I'll ask again, if you were serious about going after Butler, Waters or McConnell, what would you offer?
Collingwood is not going for any short term fix. We will use draft picks 2 5 21 and 37 plus PSD pick 2 to get the best available.
Plus we will look to offload a Lonie, Cole, Davis, O'Bree etc for a reasonable trade. Would not expect anything better than a third rounder for them. If a quality player like Bartel became available, then pick 5 might be offered as a trade. The only quality player that might be offered is Ben Johnson, if he wants to leave and if it brought a player of similar quality to the club.
Colingwood is not likely to get heavily involved in trades at the top of the tree, just some lower value trades. A player like Cole will be heavily in demand if offered cheap enough. Same for Davis and Lonie. O'Bree we'll be stuck with.
Plus we will look to offload a Lonie, Cole, Davis, O'Bree etc for a reasonable trade. Would not expect anything better than a third rounder for them. If a quality player like Bartel became available, then pick 5 might be offered as a trade. The only quality player that might be offered is Ben Johnson, if he wants to leave and if it brought a player of similar quality to the club.
Colingwood is not likely to get heavily involved in trades at the top of the tree, just some lower value trades. A player like Cole will be heavily in demand if offered cheap enough. Same for Davis and Lonie. O'Bree we'll be stuck with.
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Thats just what you assume. Eyeing off and actually trading are two different things. The club woudl be remiss not to consider all available players. All clubs do that.
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Fair enough.hotpie said:
I was just pointing out that some big names had been mentioned from other clubs, but nothing of quality had been volunteered by Collingwood people.
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Thank you for your interest in Collingwood, if you actually read my post I said "shop around" doesn't mean we will get a nibble, but you have to have a go, Cole has already been linked to Grima as a possible swap, stop fixating on us, we are not conspiring to steal your talent and in the end your football department will have the final say, so have faith and dont pop a vein over the mighty piesGunnar Longshanks said:
Steve Salopek and James Bartel to Collingwood - thats all i asked for Christmas this year.
That would do me as well,I hope we can lure a name player this year.Lonie_from_50 said:
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This idea that players will specify that they will only play for Collingwood is a bit far-fetched.pieman1 said:
Do you really think someone like McConnell would say to WC "I'll only play for Collingwood. Trade me to them or you'll get nothing"?
It's even more unlikely when you consider that he was a Richmond supporter growing up.
You guys need to get real. You can't just expect to shaft everyone and come out on top.
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OK. That's fair enough. Who's popping a vein? You finished 15th.PiePower said:
You listed a bunch of players you thought Collingwood could target: Birss, Boyd, Salopek, Gilmore, Grima, Butler, Mconnell, Polak, Waters.
Who do you think you could trade to net any of Boyd, Butler, McConnell, Polak or Waters?
You say that you listed those Collingwood players in a purely speculative way. I just assumed that you thought they could be used to snare one of those players.
If you have some more realistic ideas about who you could trade, I'd love to hear them.
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Consider this, Steve Salopek signs a deal to play with Carlton in the preseason draft. We would then have a clear run at the next player which could be a West Coast player, why is this beyond the realms of possibility? Football players want to play AFL not be the back end of a squad of 30. I'm sorry it's you who is deluded Longshanks for thinking you can keep all of them.
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Who said we have to trade, sparky?Gunnar Longshanks said:
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A lot of Collingwood supporters.PiePower said:Who said we have to trade, sparky?
If you're of the opinion that Collingwood should not trade for anyone at all then that's fair enough. Is that really what you think?
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Because if we're talking about any decent player, McConnell for instance, there will be sufficient interest from other Victorian clubs that we'll be able to get a deal.pieman1 said:
I think it's unrealistic to expect a player to demand to be traded to Collingwood, and refuse to go anywhere else.
I think it's bizarre, but also fairly telling, that you've based your whole trading strategy around the possibility of holding other clubs hostage and then shafting them through the PSD.
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Not much so let's end the discussion on them. They are potential second level players who haven't grabbed a spot. Taken high in a weak draft. The sort of players clubs are interested in if they come cheap. Keep them if you want them, sell them of you don't. If you don't like the price don't sell. We already have second rung players as does every club. the trades are to get what you are short of for what you don't need. If the treade doesn't fit it doesn't happen.Gunnar Longshanks said:
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Relax champ.MarkT said:
I only mentioned them because another Collingwood supporter identified them as potential targets.
What do you think Collingwood need? And what do you think they could offer in return?
As for the PSD, you can't front load because the cap effect is evened out to prevent that. It might even be based on the big first year - I'm not positive. If we want a quality player we would have to commit to 3 years at a good rate to get the deal done. Our best chance is to have two quality players nominate. If one nominates then we have to get a second player into the PSD. Small chance I reckon.
A ruckman and two quick skilled midfielders plus a versatile forward/back. We can’t offer enough to get what we want I suspect. I would hope we'd trade up the second and third round picks using Weowodin, Lockyer, O'Bree, Lonnie, Walker, Davis, Cole, Morrison and/or consider whoever else anyone wants to get more first round picks to either trade or use in the draft. I'd take someone like Matthew Lappin in the PSD. He's a bit old but I suspect he’s as good as will be on offer and we have plenty of duds to delist.Gunnar Longshanks said:
From West Coast the only player I'd take is Gardiner because WCE can spare him and he might come relatively cheap due to baggage and injury concerns. WCE's midfielders don't interest me because they would be expensive in a trade and in salary and their depth over rates their second level so they mightn't be as good in a thinner, slower midfield (Headland scenario).
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What would you offer?MarkT said:
No interest in Rowan Jones? MM probably rates him.
What about someone like Sam Butler or Chad Fletcher?
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Many roads lead to Rome and precious few of them are your concernGunnar Longshanks said:
