The Over Reaction Thread

[sante]

You don't think our midfield was the reason for the 89 point loss?

Of course its a reason. Our midfield has been terrible without Cotchin.

 

[Crosswell]

I don't give a rats about losing today and that's the honest truth, It was expected. What hurts is that we didn't apply any pressure to a second-rate team filled with first round picks borne out of cheating and tanking. And those picks, honestly, are absolute gutless outside receivers. If it wasn't for Judd and that monkami from Tassie, they'd have no-one to burrow for the ball.

I wanted improvement on first round. I watched a worse performance.

That aside, and I mentioned it in another post, leave Gourdis, Post and O'Reilly in the team. They had a crack and I really think if Post gets his confidence, will be exciting to watch snatching grabs in the forward line.

Right. That's it. Cheers

Settle down goose , you have had as many 1st round picks as us .You didn't pick wisely ie Franklin , Pavlich etc .You blokes could have been in Collingwoods position now if you had chose a decent coach instead of Frawley or Wallace . Hardwick will sort yous out .Your future is looking ok .

 

[Spluff]

Settle down goose , you have had as many 1st round picks as us .You didn't pick wisely ie Franklin , Pavlich etc .You blokes could have been in Collingwoods position now if you had chose a decent coach instead of Frawley or Wallace . Hardwick will sort yous out .Your future is looking ok .

Of course we have as many first round picks, every team gets one every year. But in terms of high draft picks you are so far ahead of the rest of the competition it's not funny.

 

[_RT_]

Just to put a few things into perspective:

This year we've had 11 debutants.
We've also had another 10 players play who entered the season with less than 20 games to their names at the start of the season.
Thats over half the 41 players we've used this season that had no or very little experience. Is it any wonder we're coming to the end of the season and we're seeing the side struggle towards the end of the season.

 

[tiggywigs]

Just to put a few things into perspective:

This year we've had 11 debutants.
We've also had another 10 players play who entered the season with less than 20 games to their names at the start of the season.
Thats over half the 41 players we've used this season that had no or very little experience. Is it any wonder we're coming to the end of the season and we're seeing the side struggle towards the end of the season.

Have agreed with everything you have said in this thread RT. My only disappointment is that Dimma doesn't seem to rate Thursty and what he brings to the pivot position. Yes, I understand the importance of giving the Goo and O'Reilly a go (both showed a bit I thought). But it seems clear that when he plays our defence is a much tougher nut to crack. He is smart and cool under pressure, and a very good body-on-body player. Hoping that Dimma settles him at FB as our defence foundation stone.

 

[santa claws]

Moore made A LOT of errors today, when not under immediate pressure. Having said that, was his worst game for the year, and he was certainly not alone. He has had a pretty good year overall. But I wouldn't miss him, if it meant Gourdis and/or Astbury were given a go at permanent residency as KPDs.

I seriously doubt that the footy dept intend on winning more than one more game this year.

oh we are tanking now are we.
bit late for that dont you think.

 

[santa claws]

Just to put a few things into perspective:

This year we've had 11 debutants.
We've also had another 10 players play who entered the season with less than 20 games to their names at the start of the season.
Thats over half the 41 players we've used this season that had no or very little experience. Is it any wonder we're coming to the end of the season and we're seeing the side struggle towards the end of the season.

yep we have given lots of kids a go at various stages.

the flip side of that perspective is the core group has played the majority of games with only foley 4 simmons 7, thomson 2 and polak 3 games playing less than half the season.

i will say again the kids weather they make the grade or not are not the problem its the many below standard players in the core group or 22 and over that are the problem.

of the 18 19 yr olds only martin and astbury have played a significant amount of games. vickery was gifted 14 and 21 yr old nason has had 18 or so.

 

[NQTIGER]

yep we have given lots of kids a go at various stages.

the flip side of that perspective is the core group has played the majority of games with only foley 4 simmons 7, thomson 2 and polak 3 games playing less than half the season.

i will say again the kids weather they make the grade or not are not the problem its the many below standard players in the core group or 22 and over that are the problem.

of the 18 19 yr olds only martin and astbury have played a significant amount of games. vickery was gifted 14 and 21 yr old nason has had 18 or so.

Claws unsubtantiated comments mean jack shit, you should name names or STFU or should we do it for you?

Bling?
Jackson?
King?
Tuck?
White?


Any More?

 

[Mr Magic]

Bling has the upside particuarly when his body gets right, Tuck has been handy

 

[The Goon]

Moore made A LOT of errors today, when not under immediate pressure. Having said that, was his worst game for the year, and he was certainly not alone. He has had a pretty good year overall. But I wouldn't miss him, if it meant Gourdis and/or Astbury were given a go at permanent residency as KPDs.

I seriously doubt that the footy dept intend on winning more than one more game this year.

Did anyone else note Hardwick in his pre game comments saying he'd be experimenting (was it with someone in the back line)? As soon as I saw that I knew we were in for a rough day. Yes, it doesn't excuse the lack of effort at times in the game, but I suspect the coaching panel has decided the last rounds are for blooding new players to see how they perform, and not worrying about results.

Don't forget, we can probably expect another clean out at the end of the season and as a result next year to be a rebuilding year as well.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Did anyone else note Hardwick in his pre game comments saying he'd be experimenting (was it with someone in the back line)? As soon as I saw that I knew we were in for a rough day. Yes, it doesn't excuse the lack of effort at times in the game, but I suspect the coaching panel has decided the last rounds are for blooding new players to see how they perform, and not worrying about results.

Don't forget, we can probably expect another clean out at the end of the season and as a result next year to be a rebuilding year as well.

Hmm I think the match-ups DH mentioned were Morton on Judd and O'Reilly on the HBF (picked up Garlett).

 

[santa claws]

Claws unsubtantiated comments mean jack shit, you should name names or STFU or should we do it for you?

Bling?
Jackson?
King?
Tuck?
White?


Any More?

wtf its well documented the numbers and players i think we need to move on.

there are currently 17/18players includng rookies we can get rid of over the next two yrs and not blink.
there are at least another 6 to 8 who may join them.

names
obvious ones or basically already gone first.

cousins. mcmahon, simmonds.

rookies next they are,

polak, roberts, gilligan.

clear glass half fulls and chronic underachievers or both.

hislop, graham, jackson, tuck, king, mcguane, nahas, polo, thomson white, and tambling.

im not real fussed on the order we get rid of them there are half a dozen i would keep for structures sake next yr. none apart from 2 are possible long term keepers.

as i said i believe the majority of the core or senior group crap and whle they are better optons in the sense they give some structure and size and enable us to not kill the kids for the good of the long term they have to go.

 

[SteveoTheTiger]

wtf its well documented the numbers and players i think we need to move on.

there are currently 17/18players includng rookies we can get rid of over the next two yrs and not blink.
there are at least another 6 to 8 who may join them.

names
obvious ones or basically already gone first.

cousins. mcmahon, simmonds.

rookies next they are,

polak, roberts, gilligan.

clear glass half fulls and chronic underachievers or both.

hislop, graham, jackson, tuck, king, mcguane, nahas, polo, thomson white, and tambling.

I also agree there is a lot of changes that we still need to make over the next 2 to 3 years before we are even close to becoming a top 4 side. But im not too sure that getting rid of Graham, Jackson & Tuck is the right way to go about it. Everybody goes on about us not having any depth, so even if these guys get overtaken by kids they would still be required depth players IMO. The same could be said for White if he continues to play like he has this year.

And i consider McGuane to be one of out best 6 defenders. But that is obviously not an opinion shared by many.

IMO there are other areas that need to be addressed first.. such as the 9 players on our list that are less than 180cm. Gilligan, Nahas, King, Tambling, Cousins, Foley, Hicks, Nason and Roberts. Around half of them have to go and possibly 5 of them will go this year. So that is 5 redundant places straight up that can be used on finding replacements for out "glass half fulls" without getting rid of anyone that would at the moment be a best 22 player (other than Cuz who looks like he will retire anyway).

Add them to Simmo, Polak, McMahon, Polo, Hislop and Thomson and you have in theory 11 gone this year alone.

In my opinion (again) that is too many to get rid of this year considering the lack of depth in this years draft. We could end up with a handful of players that are worse than we are getting rid of.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I also agree there is a lot of changes that we still need to make over the next 2 to 3 years before we are even close to becoming a top 4 side. But im not too sure that getting rid of Graham, Jackson & Tuck is the right way to go about it. Everybody goes on about us not having any depth, so even if these guys get overtaken by kids they would still be required depth players IMO. The same could be said for White if he continues to play like he has this year.

And i consider McGuane to be one of out best 6 defenders. But that is obviously not an opinion shared by many.

IMO there are other areas that need to be addressed first.. such as the 9 players on our list that are less than 180cm. Gilligan, Nahas, King, Tambling, Cousins, Foley, Hicks, Nason and Roberts. Around half of them have to go and possibly 5 of them will go this year. So that is 5 redundant places straight up that can be used on finding replacements for out "glass half fulls" without getting rid of anyone that would at the moment be a best 22 player (other than Cuz who looks like he will retire anyway).

Add them to Simmo, Polak, McMahon, Polo, Hislop and Thomson and you have in theory 11 gone this year alone.

In my opinion (again) that is too many to get rid of this year considering the lack of depth in this years draft. We could end up with a handful of players that are worse than we are getting rid of.

Well put Steveo. Turn over the obvious 8-9 for the next couple of years. In the mean-time, the 50/50s have a chance to improve to stay in the team, or else move down the pecking order.

 

[Bruce Monteath]

wtf its well documented the numbers and players i think we need to move on.

there are currently 17/18players includng rookies we can get rid of over the next two yrs and not blink.
there are at least another 6 to 8 who may join them.

names
obvious ones or basically already gone first.

cousins. mcmahon, simmonds.

rookies next they are,

polak, roberts, gilligan.

clear glass half fulls and chronic underachievers or both.

hislop, graham, jackson, tuck, king, mcguane, nahas, polo, thomson white, and tambling.

im not real fussed on the order we get rid of them there are half a dozen i would keep for structures sake next yr. none apart from 2 are possible long term keepers.

as i said i believe the majority of the core or senior group crap and whle they are better optons in the sense they give some structure and size and enable us to not kill the kids for the good of the long term they have to go.

Using your post as a starting point Santa, I think our football department can turn over a fair portion of the list without too much pain this year...

Out: Cuz, Simmo, McMahon, Polak, Roberts, Gilligan, Hislop, Thompson, Polo, Nahas.

That is ten straight off the bat and they may decide to shop Richie around.

In a compromised draft I think ten spots is around the mark this year.

Of the rest, I know what you think of White but I'm inclined to think he's earned one more year.

I agree with you on Kingy but the club will keep him for another year purely on the basis he has done everything they have asked of him with very limited ability.

I disagree with you about Jacko though and think he's at least the equivalent of Kelly at Geelong, who just captained his side. Ok I admit I may be stretching it a fraction but I'd like to see how Jimbo would go without Selwood, Bartel and Ablett. We're going to need Jacko's leadership around the ball in the absence of Cuz now as well.

I love Tucky no matter what and therefore will not argue the toss with you on this one. I declare my bias here.

I heard Richo refer to McGuane as our number one defender the other day so I think that's an indication of how the club view him. I think he is another example of unfulfilled potential, of which we have many at this stage.

While I was sceptical about Gus, he's at least showed enough this year to get another go considering he is still only 23.

I don't have high expectations next year and like you have reservations about our list, especially when compared with teams that we will supposedly be competing for finals spots in the next few years.

We're going to have to swallow our medicine though because we can't do much about it for the next couple but try and recruit as smart as we can.
And get as many high draft picks as possible...