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[Armoooo]

No doubt he'd have him on lol, I doubt he's afraid. It's crazy to expect him to be physically assaulted because some people on the Internet took his quotes totally out of context

I hear this "taken out of context" argument used a whole lot. It happens with Joe and Trump a lot.

People are taking things "out of context', but then when you go and listen to the whole spiel, the summary ends up appearing pretty in context.

I'm not saying stan is right and that Joe should be beaten up or anything, but what do Joe's comments mean in context? Was he not actually talking about the war? Was it actually the eurovision song contest?

I heard Joe do it the other day, he paraphrased what people on the left are reporting Trump said about the "good people on both sides" thing and then said it was bullshit, that's not what he said. I listened to that entire speech and it is in fact what he said, completely in context.

I think people mean to say, don't take it so seriously or personal or something like that, because I'm really not seeing a lot of words taken out of context.

 

[jwikked]

Trump said about the "good people on both sides" thing and then said it was bullshit, that's not what he said. I listened to that entire speech and it is in fact what he said, completely in context.

You obviously didn't listen to the whole speech, though lol.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes wouldn't say it's false, if it wasn't undeniably false.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Rogan is just another cucked mainstream media shill.

He is a part of the establishment, a part of the capital class.

 

[Armoooo]

You obviously didn't listen to the whole speech, though lol.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes wouldn't say it's false, if it wasn't undeniably false.

I've heard it challenged before and have re-listened to it before in it's entirety.

Just read the transcript in the snopes article too.

There were two groups of competing protestors, and he says there were good people on both sides.

I don't actually disagree with the statement, I'm sure there were some reasonable counter protestors. But at a time when a hate group (not all of them would fall under that category) committed a violent attack, you need a stronger condemnation than he gave. He couldn't attack it because it would offend his base.

It's similar to his January 6 speech. People on the right go on and on about how he told them to be peaceful and when to go home. But at the end of the day, the telling message was when he told them how special they were.

They're not dumb enough to say the quiet bit out loud, therefore they have to signal.

 

[Joffaboy]

This thread always delivers. Fighting over JR and two lunatic US presidents who are both cucked by the corporations and the military industrial complex.
FMD this is as sad as the incels on Twitter or the leftie echo chamber on Bluesky.

This species isn't going to make it. Blue pilled and red shirted.

 

[Armoooo]

This thread always delivers. Fighting over JR and two lunatic US presidents who are both cucked by the corporations and the military industrial complex.
FMD this is as sad as the incels on Twitter or the leftie echo chamber on Bluesky.

This species isn't going to make it. Blue pilled and red shirted.

It's always funny when one chronically online person calls out other people for the same thing

 

[StFly]

This thread always delivers. Fighting over JR and two lunatic US presidents who are both cucked by the corporations and the military industrial complex.
FMD this is as sad as the incels on Twitter or the leftie echo chamber on Bluesky.

This species isn't going to make it. Blue pilled and red shirted.

So what you're saying is, let's march to Moscow and press buttons as less defended than the USA?

In other news, Beau Webster into the Aus squad for Radelaide pink ball, so, Inglis for Lab and Webster as drinks boy since Marsh still plays?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So what you're saying is, let's march to Moscow and press buttons as less defended than the USA?

In other news, Beau Webster into the Aus squad for Radelaide pink ball, so, Inglis for Lab and Webster as drinks boy since Marsh still plays?

Unless our batsmen find form we are ****ed.

As great as Smith has been he might be cooked.

 

[StFly]

Unless our batsmen find form we are ****ed.

As great as Smith has been he might be cooked.

if you read the release though Webster in as "cover" for Marsh, and well India have us over a barrel, so, as much as I'd like to have Lab dropped and Smithy on ice for Webster, since I think we'll need Marsh's 14 no balls and a few wickets spells, I just don't see it happening.

 

[gringo2011]

They never did. Weirdest war. Neither attack power infrastructure, Ukraine is exporting more grain than ever, and Russia is a paper Tiger, chucked by Ukraine in Krusk Oblast.
Ukraine will have to do what Finland did to the USSR in 1938. Fight them to a standstill and cede 10% of their land. It will be something like keep the land already taken and Ukraine joins NATO.
JR wouldn't know if you were up him.

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Trump want a 20 year NATO pause but he wants to leverage Russia to stop dealing with China. Don't think he can get them to do that though. All Russia ever wanted was a NATO free buffer. Some geopolitical analysts think that the US has Russia tied up so that if they attack Iran they have their key ally out of the picture. Netanyahu wants that war and Trump is funded by Adelson so you imagine they will still keep pushing for that.

Ukraine will cede land what ever happens and all their institutions and national property belong to the US to pay for their weapons. The war machine is as cynical as it is brutal.

 

[gringo2011]

I have no idea what argument you're trying to make here.

It's pretty simple to me:

No War - You have an imperialist dictator on a territorial war path who won't stop

Direct intervention by Western forces - an escalation not seen since world war 2

Proxy war approach - you protect western lives. You give away your surplus equipment and bankrupt an enemy in the process.

I don't accept that the people who are arguing for appeasement to save lives are arguing in good faith. Especially because they're the sort who will claim they'd be first ones on the front line if it was their homeland being invaded.

I'm a lefty but an avid geopolitical follower. Not much about western intervention is ever in the benefit of others. Give Sachs a try. He's from Columbia University and an economist and policy adviser to the UN. He's very qualified to talk about it and not alone. I grew up reading John Pilger and have a pretty cynical view of US intentions.

 

[gringo2011]

Unless our batsmen find form we are ****ed.

As great as Smith has been he might be cooked.

How ****ed is it. Not only are we and 30 seconds to midnight on the nuclear war clock but we are going down being shit at cricket and without a second flag.

 

[Armoooo]

I'm a lefty but an avid geopolitical follower. Not much about western intervention is ever in the benefit of others. Give Sachs a try. He's from Columbia University and an economist and policy adviser to the UN. He's very qualified to talk about it and not alone. I grew up reading John Pilger and have a pretty cynical view of US intentions.

Completely agree, US will only act in their own interest. I grew up on Chomsky and Zinn so I've been pretty critical of the US ever since I was an angsty teen.

Haven't seen this video, will give it a watch when I'm home. It's not a popular argument, but the US absolutely provoked Putin, I remember the unrest prior to the Crimea annexation was believed by some to have been heavily fueled by US influenced bad actors.

 

[Armoooo]

Trump want a 20 year NATO pause but he wants to leverage Russia to stop dealing with China. Don't think he can get them to do that though. All Russia ever wanted was a NATO free buffer. Some geopolitical analysts think that the US has Russia tied up so that if they attack Iran they have their key ally out of the picture. Netanyahu wants that war and Trump is funded by Adelson so you imagine they will still keep pushing for that.

Ukraine will cede land what ever happens and all their institutions and national property belong to the US to pay for their weapons. The war machine is as cynical as it is brutal.

I'm kind of torn between Ukraine getting to join NATO. My first instinct is that this would be a great thing, and something Trump deserves credit for. But the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of ww3 being one Russian footprint on Ukrainian soil away from reality.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm kind of torn between Ukraine getting to join NATO. My first instinct is that this would be a great thing, and something Trump deserves credit for. But the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of ww3 being one Russian footprint on Ukrainian soil away from reality.

NATO are ****ed too. You can't even work out who benefits from it. Probably the US mostly.

 

[Yawkey way]

Trump want a 20 year NATO pause but he wants to leverage Russia to stop dealing with China. Don't think he can get them to do that though. All Russia ever wanted was a NATO free buffer. Some geopolitical analysts think that the US has Russia tied up so that if they attack Iran they have their key ally out of the picture. Netanyahu wants that war and Trump is funded by Adelson so you imagine they will still keep pushing for that.

Ukraine will cede land what ever happens and all their institutions and national property belong to the US to pay for their weapons. The war machine is as cynical as it is brutal.

Not the US government, they will belong to who ?. Those same players control how much of the S&P 500, just think of a major player in almost anything then look at the largest share holders and there they are time after time, blackrock, vanguard and state street. Who owns them , how is that allowed ?.

 

[Yawkey way]

I'm a lefty but an avid geopolitical follower. Not much about western intervention is ever in the benefit of others. Give Sachs a try. He's from Columbia University and an economist and policy adviser to the UN. He's very qualified to talk about it and not alone. I grew up reading John Pilger and have a pretty cynical view of US intentions.

John Pilger, liar, charlatan, fraud. Didn’t stop him from being very successful perhaps in that respect he was a sign of things to come.

 

[gringo2011]

Not the US government, they will belong to who ?. Those same players control how much of the S&P 500, just think of a major player in almost anything then look at the largest share holders and there they are time after time, blackrock, vanguard and state street. Who owns them , how is that allowed ?.

They are the billionaires, the PACS, Israel, the mega corps and financiers of the 2 major parties. The only thing I like about Trump is that he talks about pissing off the neocon war mongers. Don't think he actually will though.

The scam is that war is money laundering. The cash goes back to the corporations. The US government operates like the British East India Company on a grander scale. Or maybe just the mafia.

 

[gringo2011]

John Pilger, liar, charlatan, fraud. Didn’t stop him from being very successful perhaps in that respect he was a sign of things to come.

What did he lie about?

 

[Yawkey way]

What did he lie about?

John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster

‘I admired the force of his writing, even when I often didn’t support what he wrote, and he was always warm when we met.’ So wrote John Simpson, the veteran BBC foreign affairs correspondent, on news of the death of the campaigning journalist John Pilger on 30 December at the age of 84. Those...

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This accords with the views on Pilger expressed years apart by a family member and a long time friend. Both at the top of the tree one in the US and one here in Australia and neither what you’d call right wing. You can find many similar pieces and many who hold the same opinion.

 

[gringo2011]

John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster

‘I admired the force of his writing, even when I often didn’t support what he wrote, and he was always warm when we met.’ So wrote John Simpson, the veteran BBC foreign affairs correspondent, on news of the death of the campaigning journalist John Pilger on 30 December at the age of 84. Those...

capx.co

This accords with the views on Pilger expressed years apart by a family member and a long time friend. Both at the top of the tree one in the US and one here in Australia and neither what you’d call right wing. You can find many similar pieces and many who hold the same opinion.

Funny enough that stuff with Milosevich is quite topical now with a lot about the deliberate break up of the balkans and US bombing when they had no right to. The guy writing is very much a status quo type who is taking the US mainstream neocon narrative as gospel.

Pilger exposed the whole war machine and while he got heaps wrong, was prone to over the top hyperbole and over simplification he was right on most of the main topics in hindsight. Guys like Meersheimer and Sachs are more mainstream but have pretty much backed his view on the history of the US from forced regime changes to illegal attacks and theft.

Trump riffs off all those guys that exposed the dirty underbelly of the US neocon war machine. I always thought Pilger was a bit of a loony that was too extreme but he really wasn't that far off the truth. History has been kind to him not guys like GW Bush, Cheney, the Clintons, Kissinger etc.

 

[StCicatriz]

I'm a lefty but an avid geopolitical follower. Not much about western intervention is ever in the benefit of others. Give Sachs a try. He's from Columbia University and an economist and policy adviser to the UN. He's very qualified to talk about it and not alone. I grew up reading John Pilger and have a pretty cynical view of US intentions.

correct me if i am wrong but the deal for Russia leaving Ukraine, was that Russia would get the Nukes and in return the Ukraine would get NATO support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

the reality is these countries wanted to leave Russia.

i don't see how anything justifies the Russian invasion. just like I don't think there was justification for Afghanistan or Iraq.

 

[StCicatriz]

Russia is in all kinds of strife though. the birth rate dont look good. their economy looks like on the beginning of a long decline.

 

[gringo2011]

correct me if i am wrong but the deal for Russia leaving Ukraine, was that Russia would get the Nukes and in return the Ukraine would get NATO support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

the reality is these countries wanted to leave Russia.

i don't see how anything justifies the Russian invasion. just like I don't think there was justification for Afghanistan or Iraq.

Nothing justifies it but they were also provoked. The US put in a puppet government and orchestrated a war for profit and destabilisation of other super powers. No-one is saying Russia are good guys either.

China is a good model. They do the same thing where they tie countries up in their financial orbit but through soft diplomacy. Paying for infrastructure in poor nations instead of flattening them. Doesn't mean they won't turn nasty at some point but right now they are a better world citizen than most of the western nations.

 

[gringo2011]

Russia is in all kinds of strife though. the birth rate dont look good. their economy looks like on the beginning of a long decline.

Most of the shit we read about our enemies has no truth to it. I'd put money of China and Russia over the next century more than the west. We are stumbling while they are uniting. BRICS will be a game changer for the global south. If the US dollar loses its supremacy and bulk countries drop it, they won't be able to print unlimited money and will have to pay down their extraordinary debt.