Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[dinger]

I can understand people who say you should have to take off headcovering in banks, petrol stations etc. But then when people start talking about banning it completely, it's nothing but racism (or religionism before some pedantic smartarse says 'Islam is not a race!' as if that makes prejudice against Muslims OK). We don't ban motorcycle helmets or ski masks in the general public, do we?

You should be able to wear any religious headcovering anywhere that it's not illegal to wear any non-religious headcovering.

I just hate the idea of giving up civil liberties for the sake of a few bad eggs trying to whip up fear over a piece of ****ing clothing. On private property, if someone is requested to remove their headwear for identification purposes either or something to that extent then private companies should be allowed to request this. But banning it all together smells of xenophobia (ie: THERE GOES MY SPOOKY GHOST COSTUME FOR HALLOWEEN) or at the very least, limiting people's opportunity or right to choose what they can and can't wear in Australia. **** that.

 

[raman]

(or religionism before some pedantic smartarse says 'Islam is not a race!' as if that makes prejudice against Muslims OK).

Hi, a resident pedantic smartarse here,

You're right that 'Islam is not a race!' doesn't make religionism (by which you obviously mean anti-religionism) OK. The fact that religionism (by which you obviously mean anti-religionism) is already OK is what makes it OK.

 

[dinger]

I reckon if I had a guy walk into my hypothetical shop (it sells fajitas, brownies and vodka), I'd be asking anyone wearing a bike helmet or ski mask to remove it - not illegal though, but should people keep that right?

Private land should 100% keep that right. If someone refuses, then they should be kicked out. If a community of people (ie: minorities who wear Burqas) are against this, they can shop elsewhere. If the business takes enough of a hit or if the individual feels its bad for business/their reputation, they might negotiate with the small community in regards to this. This is one of those issues which sorts itself out.

 

[charcolechaddy]

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not more than charcolsexier!

 

[Dylan8]

not more than charcolsexier!

Dyl's sexiest

end of

#dylansucks

 

[I Dont Care]

not more than charcolsexier!

Everything is sexy to someone

 

[El_Scorcho]

The ban the burqa argument is pure racism.

Here is a list of violent incidents perpetrated by someone "disguised" in a bursa in the western world:

It's bullshit persecution of peaceful people going about their lives because of the fear of something happening on the other side of the world.

 

[I Dont Care]

Dyl's sexiest

end of

#dylansucks

I'm not allowed to play anymore. I think I broke it

 

[Portia]

Hi, resident pedantic smartarse here,

EXCUSE ME?

 

[Steve Dore]

..... You should be able to wear any religious headcovering anywhere that it's not illegal to wear any non-religious headcovering.

Exactly, just as religious face covering should be banned in places non-religious face coverings are banned.

 

[Jumbo]

Do the women who wear the burqa's always wear them by choice and if not what is the usual penalty for not abiding with the requirement?

 

[raman]

EXCUSE ME?

Geez, just because I said resident doesn't mean I'm claiming to be the only or best. How's that for pedantic?

 

[Portia]

Geez, just because I said resident doesn't mean I'm claiming to be the only or best. How's that for pedantic?

The lack of numeration implies the singular.

 

[raman]

Exactly, just as religious face covering should be banned in places non-religious face coverings are banned.

Exactly, dead simple.

Time to accept that a Muslim's beliefs are of no more importance than a motorcyclist's convenience. Multiculturalism starts to work when that starts to be realised and practiced.

 

[Steve Dore]

Do the women who wear the burqa's always wear them by choice and if not what is the usual penalty for not abiding with the requirement?

Stoning.

 

[raman]

The lack of numeration implies the singular.

Fine, fixed.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hi, resident pedantic smartarse here,

You're right that 'Islam is not a race!' doesn't make religionism (by which you obviously mean anti-religionism) OK. The fact that religionism (by which you obviously mean anti-religionism) is already OK is what makes it OK.

Non-religion shouldn't be pushed on religious people any more than religion should be forced on non-religious people. I fully support gay marriage, voluntary euthanasia and a number of other things which are only illegal in Australia because of religious lobbyists, but I also fully support people being able to wear a burqa or a crucifix necklace or a yarmulke or whatever the hell they want in public. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Exactly, dead simple.

Time to accept that a Muslim's beliefs are of no more importance than a motorcyclist's convenience. Multiculturalism starts to work when that starts to be realised and practiced.

Multiculturalism starts to work when people understand that the people define the religion, the religion doesn't define the people.

A Muslim woman wearing a head covering is not, has not and will never be a threat to anyone's safety any more than any white woman.

 

[Steve Dore]

The ban the burqa argument is pure racism. .......

 

[raman]

Non-religion shouldn't be pushed on religious people any more than religion should be forced on non-religious people.

Non-religion is already pushed on people by law. It's called education.

That aside, I agree, but don't see the relevance.

I fully support gay marriage, voluntary euthanasia and a number of other things which are only illegal in Australia because of religious lobbyists, but I also fully support people being able to wear a burqa or a crucifix necklace or a yarmulke or whatever the hell they want in public. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Agree with that too. Except in the case of head coverings in places where head coverings are banned.

 

[Dylan8]

Religious discussion! Always a fun topic.

 

[Portia]

Multiculturalism starts to work when people understand that the people define the religion, the religion doesn't define the people.

A Muslim woman wearing a head covering is not, has not and will never be a threat to anyone's safety any more than any white woman.

Except thats not true if its a face covering, because anonymity is available to the former and not the latter.

 

[raman]

Religious discussion! Always a fun topic.

It's the only thing I'd miss about it.

 

[Steve Dore]

Non-religion shouldn't be pushed on religious people any more than religion should be forced on non-religious people. ...

If you live in Australia religion is forced on you.

 

[Jumbo]

If you live in Australia religion is forced on you.

That's deeeeeeeep