Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Dylan8]

Riiiiiiiiight

Memo to self the left is never wrong.

memo to self unattractive poor people are all ****ing idiots who aren't capable of stringing sentences together and if they do they're plants of the evil leftie ABC

 

[edgie]

Yes, some bloke recently got rekt and the insurance companies are refusing to pay **** all because he wasn't technically covered by any policies.

You know my brother?





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[MotlopRules]

Yeah, the privatisation of charity, like Portia says, is absolutely not the path we want to be going down.

Crowd funding is all well and good, but the simple fact it's even necessary shows that the state of welfare in this country is balancing on a precipice.

Privatising charity (things like the World Vision sponsor children and expecting companies like the Salvos to pick up the slack of government services) all basically boils down to reducing the human dignity of the most vulnerable and disempowering them, either deliberately or through well-meaning but patronising donations. Instead of having agency over their lives and a guaranteed standard of living, the 'poor' are expected to be eternally grateful and grovel for every scrap they receive from their 'betters', and keep silent and obedient for the privilege. Every kind of study shows this type of charity is far less effective, socially, psychologically and economically, than properly instigated government social security. Private charity becomes a tool to enforce power and control and maintain class barriers, even if it doesn't start out that way. Just look at the backlash with the Q&A guy - like Portia said, it really shouldn't matter what the guy is doing with his life. His right to basic human dignity and a minimum standard of living isn't and shouldn't be dependent on you agreeing with his life choices. That's the problem with private charity, it's so conditional and judgmental.

Unfortunately, there's definitely a vocal minority in this country who seem intent on trying to turn us towards the American system, where the poor really are treated like second class citizens, and the government is hugely stacked in favour of the upper classes at the expense of huge, indentured poverty and all the social ills that accompany it. That's really not a path we should want to be going down, and I hate this class warfare and the character assassination that the poor in this country are subjected to every single damn day (oh, they're all dole bludgers/lazy/drug addicts/violent criminals). **** that noise.

Basically, as someone else said, properly run social welfare definitely results in less immediate 'feel good' 'I'm such a good person' feelios than crowd-funding campaigns to buy toasters for a poor single dad. But the end result, in terms of social empowerment, human dignity, and maintaining our enviable first world standard of life for all Australians, is so much better.

TLDR: Private charity should never replace structured government social security. **** the war on poor people.

 

[manureid]

I used to play on the right wing, but my preferred position was as a striker.

 

[Dylan8]

The crowd funding for Duncan was more symbolic than anything. Like how anyone can get behind something using a hash tag but this was a tangible financial contribution to say I support this guy and what he had to say. It just carries much more weight that way.

 

[_VXV]

What argument does this guy actually have?

The rich people he's complaining about are saving a whopping $225 per year due to the tax threshold from 32.5% to 37% moving up 5k from 80k to 85k. But they are still paying tax. That $4.30 per week is really gonna make a huge difference. All that is doing is compensating for rising inflation - it's not a tax break at all. However, if you moved the tax free threshold up 5k from 18,201 to 23,201 - he's now paying $2111 a year in tax, or $40.50 a week - a saving of $962 per year. And that's not just for him - that's for everyone that pays tax.



For every dollar he doesn't want to pay, someone else has to. The guy didn't get a higher education? Neither did I but I understand how the system works. Lefties always want someone else to pay for their shit.

His base argument is, as Feel pointed out is a $ is worth more to him & people like him than to someone earning beyond 80k.
His position is he, like many like him, believes he is being overlooked & forgotten. He decides to speak up, gets a pithy response, & then has an empire demonise him.

Your figures hold water, but for many once you string a series of $ amounts and comparative tax breaks/disadvantages together an understanding barrier kicks in, with the underlying message being "you're not relevant enough to get this so let the grown ups tell you how it's going to be". Back this up with a campaign of where $ are spent, accurate or not, such as refugees, bludgers, foreign aid or 6k toasters & it inevitably builds resentment. ACA & TT have turned this into entertainment.

We've got this mindset of "a fair go" in Australia. Everybody understands this to be something different, usually pertaining to themselves getting "a fair go". Life isn't fair but it's also not fair to exploit a situation where the cards aren't evenly stacked.

 

[edgie]

It is like Emperor Palpatine always says, all those who gain wealth are afraid to lose it.

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[Magus]

Aaaaaand we're back to Star Wars.

 

[StuMan]

It is like Emperor Palpatine always says, all those who gain wealth are afraid to lose it.

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"UNLIMITED POWWAHHH!!"

 

[Dylan8]

It's hard to be cynical about classism reading articles like this
http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...designs-her-own-business-20160511-goslxl.html

"I had previously done some work in retail and I absolutely hated taking orders from other people and being set in my working hours and what I could and couldn't do," Ms Studdert said.

"I love website design and when I was younger I taught myself how to design websites," she said. "Being of my generation I was always pretty savvy with social media and the online world, and I just really saw the importance of that for businesses in today's society."

Ms Studdert has inherited her enterprising streak from her father John, who runs his own business advisory firm and planted the seeds of her business idea. She is grateful for her family's advice and support, and encouraged other young people to pursue their passions and create their own opportunities.

"Definitely take the chance - go out and do it and hopefully you'll see the rewards," she said. "I just love being in charge of every day and obviously I'm my own boss so I can work from where I want, what time I want. I still have to pinch myself that I have my own successful consultancy business and that I am a 19-year-old CEO."

The accompanying video will piss you off

 

[Janus]

It's hard to be cynical about classism reading articles like this
http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...designs-her-own-business-20160511-goslxl.html

The accompanying video will piss you off

So you're pissed off because she's from a successful family when she created a business that pretty much anyone could have done? Good on her for going out there and making things happen.

 

[Dylan8]

So you're pissed off because she's from a successful family when she created a business that pretty much anyone could have done? Good on her for going out there and making things happen.

Yes because any start up in a flooded market could have taken off without the privilege of funding from a rich businessman father and contacts in the big end of town?

"Good on her" for that, I guess. It's the way of the world, but she's acted as if she's just gone out and done it on her own. The patronising "just go out and do it!!" message makes me want to throw up.

 

[bomberclifford]

I consider myself an overthinker, and it rarely pays off for me personally.

Man, I hear that. I see so many people who don't even bother to scratch the surface, who flourish incredibly under our current system.

I guess there's a lesson in that: the system doesn't want you to think.

 

[Janus]

His base argument is, as Feel pointed out is a $ is worth more to him & people like him than to someone earning beyond 80k.
His position is he, like many like him, believes he is being overlooked & forgotten. He decides to speak up, gets a pithy response, & then has an empire demonise him.

Your figures hold water, but for many once you string a series of $ amounts and comparative tax breaks/disadvantages together an understanding barrier kicks in, with the underlying message being "you're not relevant enough to get this so let the grown ups tell you how it's going to be". Back this up with a campaign of where $ are spent, accurate or not, such as refugees, bludgers, foreign aid or 6k toasters & it inevitably builds resentment. ACA & TT have turned this into entertainment.

We've got this mindset of "a fair go" in Australia. Everybody understands this to be something different, usually pertaining to themselves getting "a fair go". Life isn't fair but it's also not fair to exploit a situation where the cards aren't evenly stacked.

That comes from a failure to actually try to understand the other person's point of view. People go through life hearing, but not listening to what people are actually saying. Do that, and you can get a better grasp of why someone forms the viewpoints that they do, and in doing so, better understand them.

 

[Janus]

Yes because any start up in a flooded market could have taken off without the privilege of funding from a rich businessman father and contacts in the big end of town?

"Good on her" for that, I guess. It's the way of the world, but she's acted as if she's just gone out and done it on her own. The patronising "just go out and do it!!" message makes me want to throw up.

LOL. Have you even seen her website? It's done in Wordpress. She lists her mobile number as her contact. There's no funding from her father, I can guarantee you that.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

memo to self unattractive poor people are all ******* idiots who aren't capable of stringing sentences together and if they do they're plants of the evil leftie ABC

They are your words not mine and say more about you than me.

 

[Dylan8]

LOL. Have you even seen her website? It's done in Wordpress. She lists her mobile number as her contact. There's no funding from her father, I can guarantee you that.

-Office space
-Contacts
-A car

These are things that a business such as hers are dependant on and she's done nothing to "earn" this. Mostly, the leg up she's getting is that there's no risk involved as she isn't giving up income from a steady job that would have otherwise provided her with a roof. This is perhaps the biggest hurdle to starting a small business.

 

[Grave Danger]

It's hard to be cynical about classism reading articles like this
http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...designs-her-own-business-20160511-goslxl.html



The accompanying video will piss you off

Reminds me of this person...

 

[Dylan8]

Reminds me of this person...

Is that the crazy girlfriend meme girl

 

[Jim Dixon]

Having a 'rich businessman dad' is also a massive leg-up in that this kid has a positive role model and mentor to work with. There's nothing wrong with that, but that opportunity should be there for everyone through the education system. But rich people have been kvetching about paying taxes and cutting the resources of the education system for 30 years or more.

This kid wouldnt' likely have been starting her own business if dad was on the production line at Holden would she?

 

[El_Scorcho]

So you're pissed off because she's from a successful family when she created a business that pretty much anyone could have done? Good on her for going out there and making things happen.

Yep, anyone living in a housing trust slum in Davoren Park had the same opportunity and support to get that off the ground.

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[Janus]

Yep, anyone living in a housing trust slum in Davoren Park had the same opportunity and support to get that off the ground.

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Never watched Pursuit of Happyness I take it?

 

[LukeSA]

Having a 'rich businessman dad' is also a massive leg-up in that this kid has a positive role model and mentor to work with. There's nothing wrong with that, but that opportunity should be there for everyone through the education system. But rich people have been kvetching about paying taxes and cutting the resources of the education system for 30 years or more.

This kid wouldnt' likely have been starting her own business if dad was on the production line at Holden would she?

It was the same a while ago when some 20 odd year old had a multi million dollar housing portfolio only because mummy and daddy bought her first house for her. Ok she did some wise investing blah blah blah... but ultimately still had a leg-up a large majority of Australians don't have.

 

[Dylan8]

https://www.facebook.com/michaelrav...014565952159/1742975675922714/?type=3&theater



It's always good to hear a great succeeds-despite-himself story

 

[Eddie Dingle]

So full of hate for a 12 year old.

It's sad.