Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[edgie]

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Lol I seen that when I was 8, I always figured it was his fist gripping the gun.

 

[raman]

Nonetheless, Tarantino is a bit of a bitch who has delusions of grandeur that he is just as dangerous as the characters he writes.

That's probably overstating things a tad.

 

[I Dont Care]

They really weren't. McLaren was a businessman. He'd seen what had been going on in Detroit and New York for years and thought he could bring it back to England and market it. He worshipped at the alter of Johnny Thunders, Iggy Pop, Fred Sonic Smith, Ramones etc like everybody else with their ear to the ground at the time. The Sex Pistols were essentially the punk rock Monkees.

Indeed, they were a manufactured band. We even knew that at the time, hand picked kids who were into the scene, but it get's lost in the euphoria

 

[edgie]

That's probably overstating things a tad.

Perhaps I was harsh with the bitch comment, but I stand by his delusions of grandeur of his badassery

 

[finbarr]

Indeed, they were a manufactured band. We even knew that at the time, hand picked kids who were into the scene, but it get's lost in the euphoria

McLaren read the public mood well. He wasn't stupid. He could see the public was growing tired of monolithic corporate stadium rock bands whose stage theatrics were just getting out of control, and that things were ripe for a big shake up. He'd seen what had been going on in the small clubs of New York and Detroit for a number of years and thought "this is the ticket".
No one's denying the Sex Pistols were a hugely important band, they clearly were. The fact alone that they influenced shitloads of people to pick up guitars and say "I can do this too, I don't need to play like Jimmy Page to be in a band!" was huge in itself. But the idea that one day it just went *BANG!* and the Sex Pistols appeared like a bolt of lightening out of the nowhere playing this "new" form of music is pretty laughable.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

The idea of them all hand picked by McLaren for his vision is "Bollocks" though pardon the pun

Jones and Cook were in a band together before they even met him and hung out at his shop, he ddi pick Lydon out off the street that's about the size of it meh anyway he gets too much credit he always has.

 

[edgie]

McLaren read the public mood well. He wasn't stupid. He could see the public was growing tired of monolithic corporate stadium rock bands whose stage theatrics were just getting out of control, and that things were ripe for a big shake up. He'd seen what had been going on in the small clubs of New York and Detroit for a number of years and thought "this is the ticket".
No one's denying the Sex Pistols were a hugely important band, they clearly were. The fact alone that they influenced shitloads of people to pick up guitars and say "I can do this too, I don't need to play like Jimmy Page to be in a band!" was huge in itself. But the idea that one day it just went *BANG!* and the Sex Pistols appeared like a bolt of lightening out of the nowhere playing this "new" form of music is pretty laughable.

Except when AC/DC went over to the UK and blew everyone's minds, leading to a brief period in time when they were categorised as a punk band.

I think Bon Scott summarised the whole thing up the best:

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Damn, Bon is actually rather good looking in this picture...

Never thought of him of one of the good looking rock stars, more in the Lemmy mold of tough looking ****ers that get shit done and whose sexual appeal lies in their actions, not their looks.

 

[finbarr]

The idea of them all hand picked by McLaren for his vision is "Bollocks" though pardon the pun

Jones and Cook were in a band together before they even met him and hung out at his shop, he ddi pick Lydon out off the street that's about the size of it meh anyway he gets too much credit he always has.

I agree. The idea he was some genius puppet master is pretty ridiculous. He was a savvy, sleazy businessman who knew how to exploit opportunity. Matlock was part of the Cook, Jones gang too, then McLaren sacked him for a miscreant who couldn't play the bass.....at all. Purely for image.

Jones is actually a very good guitarist, and the sound he got on Never Mind The Bollocks was quite phenomenal. The opening chords of Holidays In The Sun.....

 

[finbarr]

Except when AC/DC went over to the UK and blew everyone's minds, leading to a brief period in time when they were categorised as a punk band.

I think Bon Scott summarised the whole thing up the best:

AC/DC gained a cult following through touring extensively up and down the country. They didn't actually just turn up and blow everyone's mind. It took a bit more time than that.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I agree. The idea he was some genius puppet master is pretty ridiculous. He was a savvy, sleazy businessman who knew how to exploit opportunity. Matlock was part of the Cook, Jones gang too, then McLaren sacked him for a miscreant who couldn't play the bass.....at all. Purely for image.

Jones is actually a very good guitarist, and the sound he got on Never Mind The Bollocks was quite phenomenal. The opening chords of Holidays In The Sun.....

Yea I've always liked Jones as a guitarist (funny bugger too)

Getting rid of Matlock was a stupid move they all agree on now

 

[finbarr]

Yea I've always liked Jones as a guitarist (funny bugger too)

Getting rid of Matlock was a stupid move they all agree on now

I was never huge on the British punk stuff myself, except for The Damned. That first album was incredible, the second album was woeful, and the third was great. For some reason they got Nick Mason from Pink Floyd to produce the second one having originally tried to get Syd Barrett to do it. Disastrous.

 

[edgie]

AC/DC gained a cult following through touring extensively up and down the country. They didn't actually just turn up and blow everyone's mind. It took a bit more time than that.

I didn't specify it was instant, but it happened. Some people will still claim that AC/DC are only world famous because of their Australian ubiquity, but there status was earned with relentless rocking.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I was never huge on the British punk stuff myself, except for The Damned. That first album was incredible, the second album was woeful, and the third was great. For some reason they got Nick Mason from Pink Floyd to produce the second one having originally tried to get Syd Barrett to do it. Disastrous.

Yea not surprising Mason ain't that musical to be honest, bit of a right time right place sort of guy.. Syd was probably completely non compos mentis by then I imagine.

 

[finbarr]

I didn't specify it was instant, but it happened. Some people will still claim that AC/DC are only world famous because of their Australian ubiquity, but there status was earned with relentless rocking.

They were also a little fortunate that the whole NWOBHM thing was kicking in at the time, so British audiences were pretty open to what they were doing.

 

[finbarr]

Yea not surprising Mason ain't that musical to be honest, bit of a right time right place sort of guy.. Syd was probably completely non compos mentis by then I imagine.

Hahaha, Mason is the ultimate "right place, right time" person. Down the years he's probably been the most scathing of Barrett publicly too, yet without Syd he'd have been an absolute nobody.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Yea not surprising Mason ain't that musical to be honest, bit of a right time right place sort of guy.. Syd was probably completely non compos mentis by then I imagine.

Waters ain't that musical either. Gilmour was the talent in that band (excepting Syd of course).

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Poor Bon had done all the hard yards in the states too it's a damn shame he didn't live to follow up Highway to Hell the scene was set unfortunately it was set for Brian.

 

[edgie]

Poor Bon had done all the hard yards in the states too it's a damn shame he didn't live to follow up Highway to Hell the scene was set unfortunately it was set for Brian.

There is a horrible irony in Bon's passing and the band rising from the ashes to make Back In Black played a big part in the success of it.

 

[bushwood]

As much as I love the Ramones and the Pistols I prefer The Saints, homegrown and underrated.

 

[finbarr]

I saw The Damned at Le Rox the first time they toured here in '86 or '87. They started with this gem, then finished with Smash It Up. In between they pretty much just played all their gothic stuff from the mid-80's, which I didn't really like then but don't mind now. Captain Sensible had left the band at that stage sadly.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Waters ain't that musical either. Gilmour was the talent in that band (excepting Syd of course).

I reckon Barrett & Gilmour both did gel well with Rick Wright though

Waters can write but yea that's about it, his solo albums highlight how much he relied on Gilmour/Wright from the music side of things IMO

 

[Duck Farmer]

I reckon Barrett & Gilmour both did gel well with Rick Wright though

Waters can write but yea that's about it, his solo albums highlight how much he relied on Gilmour/Wright from the music side of things IMO

Yeah, Wright was a solid musician.

 

[finbarr]

I reckon Barrett & Gilmour both did gel well with Rick Wright though

Waters can write but yea that's about it, his solo albums highlight how much he relied on Gilmour/Wright from the music side of things IMO

And Wright was the only one of the original 4 who never publicly panned Barrett like the others did.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

And Wright was the only one of the original 4 who never publicly panned Barrett like the others did.

I remember reading a Syd book and when Syd was ousted Rick told the original management if he thought Syd was capable of ever getting it back together he would've left with him.

*The original management actually kept Syd on and dumped the band

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

There is a horrible irony in Bon's passing and the band rising from the ashes to make Back In Black played a big part in the success of it.

Yea nothing against Brian it's probably one of the most seamless replacements in rock history, for me the material goes down hill after BiB though but that's all just opinion.

*Insert the best songs on BiB were stolen from Bon's notebooks theory here