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Analysis The rebuild of Carlton and Brisbane and their future prospects
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Following that timeline we are up to their Charlie Cameron/Rayner year.
Hope Papley can be that for us!
That is the thing. Not every move will work. It is a numbers game where you aim to get most right and not change course just because a few things do not work out. But most have for Lions and that list of names from drafting and trading fills up around 90% of their team in 2019. Zorko and Daniel Rich are about the only regulars in team now that pre-date this period of list improvement for Lions. It does take six off-seasons to start seeing the wheel truly turn for them. For the coaches that is a tough gig to survive and why most don't.
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If nothing else Teague has saved the Carlton footy club jumping from 17th to 16th as the top two are elite! And pick 3 looks open or at worst a vic boy.
If they miss out on a big name Flanders and butler would be a great draft haul..
If they miss out on a big name Flanders and butler would be a great draft haul..
Can you clarify what you mean? Do you mean the Adelaide trade looks better for us since they will be missing out on Rowell and Anderson?
I'm sure there are a few out there who dislike us Juddy. Maybe some Pies supporters from 2002-03 who are still around.
But remember for every Pie supporter crying about all that, think of the warm tingling feel inside and amusement it give to so many many more watching on that continue to have a soft spot for Lions. Way more with a soft spot for Lions. Way more...
Not this claptrap again
In 2013 the Lions saw four young talented first round draft picks walk out the door - Polec, Sam Docherty, Billy Longer, Patrick Karnezis – and also Elliot Yeo (a former pick No.30), the so called "Go Home Five".
They weren’t actively improving their list by losing those five and replacing them with fecking Lewis Taylor and Gardiner!!
In 2014 they traded away early picks (and Jack Crisp another kid) for Beams and Christensen....that isn’t a club ‘rebuilding’.
The big change at the Lions came at end of 2016 - they cleared out the football manager, senior coach and list manager.
Brisbane started their present successful build when they got the right people into key roles in the club.
Why do Carlton fans still persist with this crap?
I am one...like watching the Lions because they play a good style of footy.
But can’t wait for the bubble to burst with a swift exit from the finals.
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Fiesty.
Saying goodbye to those who don't want to be at your club is a form of list-improvement - even if it means short-term pain on-field.
Also, it depends how you view the beginning of a rebuild - if it's when you start bringing in the players that will ultimately form your best 22, then 2013 absolutely was the beginning.
Brought in across 2013-14, in order of importance: Andrews, Gardiner, Robinson, McStay, and Christensen
Wouldn't be where we are without those 5 (especially the first 3).
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Darcy Gardiner would be your best defender.
Some will never get it but amusing how blinded the dumb are.
It all has to start somewhere with the ins.....
It is a bit like us losing Henderson, Yarran, Bell and Menzel in same off season. On the surface you can focus on the present with the outs and not the ins of draftees if you are a bit simple in mind. Hence our Pie friend made this mistake.
That's absolutely outstanding drafting and recruiting. Hardly a miss in there.
It should be noted I did only focus on the ins that came in that have mostly worked. They have not got everything right but when clubs have 3 to 6 years of getting a lot right it really seems to bring them into premiership contention.
If you have a look back at Dogs ins for a number of years going into their premiership year, similar tale.
If clubs get a mixed bag, it hard to make inroads.
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Schache didn't work out but we ended up with pick 15 (Bailey) in return
As we've climbed the ladder have noticed a lot of the old hate return from clubs in the eight or around. You're everyone's second team until you start beating them.
Docherty and Yeo the only real losses in 2013. Longer and Karnezis are spuds.
While Gardiner & McStay are key cogs in a top 4 team and Taylor and Robertson very good depth players
All clubs are constantly ‘rebuilding’ and drafting players they hope will be part of their best 22.
Collingwood added Adams, Langdon, Moore, Scharenberg, DeGoey, Crisp and Maynard from the 13-14 period....and we did it whilst retiring premiership players.
Brisbane’s trajectory changed when they changed their key football department personnel.
Carlton fans just try to create artificial start dates for other clubs rebuilds to align with their own big off field change that occurred in 2015.
Yeah with Moore, Langdon, Dunn out and doubt over Roughy with concussion he would be handy tomorrow against the Suns.
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You don't watch enugh Lions games to really form an opinion then. Gardiner is criminally underrated, really should be in AA discussion as he never gets beaten. Would say he is on par with Moore eexcept Gardiner is a better defender whereas Moore is a better offensive player
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Agree with this 100%. His "heart" was in the right place, he just struggled when it came to match day tactics
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That's one of how many.
Believe me, I don't condone his reply. But it's out of my control.
It's fine for people to have a different opinion. But when it is the same offenders scraping the bottom of the barrel for negatives, the intent is obvious.
Rich01 has a history of getting under blues fans nerves. From what I've seen, he has said NOTHING positive about them. He will try to deny it, but his actions prove otherwise.
He even uses hindsight as an argument to criticise certain Carlton players. Not long ago, he clearly stated that blues picking Jacob Weitering over Clayton Oliver was a mistake.
Teague has got the blues winning, but Rich01 is still here searching for something negative to say. Here he isn't so much doubting Teague, but going one step further and considering him as a very likely failure.
That isn't a different opinion. That is blatant trolling.
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Think we can all agree that Brisbane and Carlton have a far brighter on field future than Collingwood.
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Swing and a miss...
I was really impressed by Lyons, McCluggage, Berry, Neale and co. in the 4th quarter - dominating a very strong GWS outfit. Outside of the daniels goal against the tide, the ball hardly got past half way
Brisbane fans must be very happy when they get over the disappointment with the rebuild. Short and Long term looks impressive.
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