Prediction The Rolling Outrageous Claims Thread

[Warhorse]

Danger has so much gravity that he pull players to cover him in excess of his influence, given that Cameron doesn't do a lot of the traditional KPF stuff, Danger acts often as the anchor that the oposition KPD base their structure off. It is a small part of how our structure creates the space that our ground level smalls move through.

It helps that the oppostion respects him a lot, Neale is the opposite, the opposition give him way too much space to do his thing. They'll be a feedback loop, as Neale starts to prove his reliabity, our guys will start kicking it to him more often, the opposition will start to give him more attention as a result. Which might then free up Danger again. Henry out opens up a lot of space.

When things work Dangerfield looks good. When things don't work Dangerfield is spoiling other forwards, running through there leading space and flying at every ball when other could be marking it.

He struggles unless he is 'the man' when he is in the forward line and doesn't know how to play a role structurally that makes the whole forwardline better.

I think he finds himself in the midfield in the finals.

 

[Mr Meow]

When things work Dangerfield looks good. When things don't work Dangerfield is spoiling other forwards, running through there leading space and flying at every ball when other could be marking it.

He struggles unless he is 'the man' when he is in the forward line and doesn't know how to play a role structurally that makes the whole forwardline better.

I think he finds himself in the midfield in the finals.

It's a bit rich to call him a terrible forward when he's averaging 1.6 goals, 0.9 goal assists, 6 score involvements a game (including the injury game) with several BOG or near BOG performances though. We are scoring over 100 points a game with him up there. The "he is capping Cameron and co." theory is just about debunked too. Henry is the only forward whose output has gone down.

For any occasion he has "got in the way" he has 3 instances of bringing the ball to ground when an opposition intercept looks a formality, or winning an impossible hard ball to release a team mate.

 

[Warhorse]

It's a bit rich to call him a terrible forward when he's averaging 1.6 goals, 0.9 goal assists, 6 score involvements a game (including the injury game) with several BOG or near BOG performances though. We are scoring over 100 points a game with him up there. The "he is capping Cameron and co." theory is just about debunked too. Henry is the only forward whose output has gone down.

For any occasion he has "got in the way" he has 3 instances of bringing the ball to ground when an opposition intercept looks a formality, or winning an impossible hard ball to release a team mate.

Yeah that's all fair but it is the outrageous claims thread and I'm going to double down. He won't be playing forward in the finals once the coach works out our forwardline functions better without him in it.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah that's all fair but it is the outrageous claims thread and I'm going to double down. He won't be playing forward in the finals once the coach works out our forwardline functions better without him in it.

Hey I always gave you credit on the outrageous bit! Merely offering my view, not censoring.

PS I always figured the plan was to release him into midfield more for finals, but not because he's a terrible forward.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

When things work Dangerfield looks good. When things don't work Dangerfield is spoiling other forwards, running through there leading space and flying at every ball when other could be marking it.

He struggles unless he is 'the man' when he is in the forward line and doesn't know how to play a role structurally that makes the whole forwardline better.

I think he finds himself in the midfield in the finals.

There's a bit it what you say Warhorse: but Saturday's game against the Bombers was a step in the right direction as he played a far more team oriented game forward akin to his 2022 Grand Final display but forward rather than on-ball. If he keeps playing like that forward then I'd be happy..... so the 'big game' against the Lions coming up I'll be watching with interest.

 

[Seeds]

Yeah that's all fair but it is the outrageous claims thread and I'm going to double down. He won't be playing forward in the finals once the coach works out our forwardline functions better without him in it.

How does it function better without him? Just cos he has some weaknesses in foward craft does not mean it functions better without him. We dont have a third viable marking option. Before he was injured he was in most peoples all australian team as a starting foward.

He, neale and cameron worked perfectly against the bombers. Plenty of score involvements suggests danger was working with others and not being the 'man' or nothing. Ps. What were your thoughts on gary ablett senior as a foward?

 

[Gazza Greatness]

How does it function better without him? Just cos he has some weaknesses in foward craft does not mean it functions better without him. We dont have a third viable marking option. Before he was injured he was in most peoples all australian team as a starting foward.

He, neale and cameron worked perfectly against the bombers. Plenty of score involvements suggests danger was working with others and not being the 'man' or nothing.

Seeds, there has been times where it hasn't worked very successfully at all with Danger forward for reasons that Warhorse: has written but I've made recent comments in saying that Danger is getting much better working more as a cohesive unit with the forwards and against Bombers he was great, completely unselfish, not just the man, equalling a AFL game-high of 5 goal assists in a game for the 2025 season. The Lions will be an excellent challenge against better opposition to see how well we have progressed as a forward unit with Danger playing a critical role.

 

[Mr Meow]

Seeds, there has been times where it hasn't worked very successfully at all with Danger forward for reasons that Warhorse: has written but I've made recent comments in saying that Danger is getting much better working more as a cohesive unit with the forwards and against Bombers he was great, completely unselfish, not just the man, equalling a AFL game-high of 5 goal assists in a game for the 2025 season. The Lions will be an excellent challenge against better opposition to see how well we have progressed as a forward unit with Danger playing a critical role.

At the end of the day Dangerfield is now a forward pocket. A massive part of his job is to score. 19 goals, 11 behinds shows he is nailing a lot of his chances - it's not like he's a liability in front of goal.

But if you dive into the stats, he's had 72 score involvements and only 30 of those were his own scoring shots. 42 were helping another team mate score. So about 60% of the scores he's involved in come from a team mate's boot. You'll find that is a less selfish ratio than most forward pockets in the league.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

At the end of the day Dangerfield is now a forward pocket. A massive part of his job is to score.

But if you dive into the stats, he's had 72 score involvements and 30 of those were his own scoring shots. 42 were helping another team mate score. So about 60% of the scores he's involved in come from a team mate's boot. You'll find that is a less selfish ratio than most forward pockets in the league.

I take these stats are referring to this year Mr Meow: of which Danger is improving his role in forward-line increasingly better in 2025 season, in fact Saturday's game against Bombers was brilliant. I also think with him missing a few games with hamstring awareness and the forward-line functioning more than satisfactorily has been a blessing in disguise as I reckon it's allowed him to oversee the forward line without him being there and he's come back and jelling 'brilliantly'.

 

[Warhorse]

How does it function better without him? Just cos he has some weaknesses in foward craft does not mean it functions better without him. We dont have a third viable marking option. Before he was injured he was in most peoples all australian team as a starting foward.

He, neale and cameron worked perfectly against the bombers. Plenty of score involvements suggests danger was working with others and not being the 'man' or nothing. Ps. What were your thoughts on gary ablett senior as a foward?

Danger doesn't play like a 3rd tall. We hit a final the structure will break down when he starts flying for every ball

 

[Mr Meow]

Danger doesn't play like a 3rd tall. We hit a final the structure will break down when he starts flying for every ball

What changes with finals that would make him less effective? They are more chaos orientated and contested, which plays to Dangerfield's strengths even more. Especially since he is essentially replacing a poor ground ball player in Ollie Henry right now.

 

[Seeds]

Danger doesn't play like a 3rd tall. We hit a final the structure will break down when he starts flying for every ball

So if he is flying for contested marks how does it mean he doesnt play as a third tall. Isnt that the very definition of a third tall?

Come finals everyone will be planning around intercepting cameron. Thats when we should throw a spanner in those plans and isolate danger in the goal square and put cameron up on the half foward flank. A bit like that final a few years ago where danger tore it up against sydney at full foward

Then allow cameron to drift deeper foward in the second half when he does most of his damage. Use danger in the centre square for bursts in the last qtr and a half.

Use neale as the centre half foward.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Holmes and Smith will break the record for the most Brownlow votes received by teammates in the one season (the record is 61 by Cripps and Sam Walsh last year).

Yep i can see not one but 2 Brownlows coming down the highway.
How great would that be!!!
GiddyUp!!

 

[Lana]

When things work Dangerfield looks good. When things don't work Dangerfield is spoiling other forwards, running through there leading space and flying at every ball when other could be marking it.

He struggles unless he is 'the man' when he is in the forward line and doesn't know how to play a role structurally that makes the whole forwardline better.

I think he finds himself in the midfield in the finals.

We're number 1 for the competition for marks I50, while only being 9th for I50s in total. Which suggests to me that beyond instances of the Mark 1 eyeball our system is doing better than anyone else at converting opportunity to outcome. Now all of that could be inspite of Danger being the man I just find that to be unlikely.

I think his serious midfield days are well behind him.

Edit: forgot which thread I was in, good bait

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

I take these stats are referring to this year Mr Meow: of which Danger is improving his role in forward-line increasingly better in 2025 season, in fact Saturday's game against Bombers was brilliant. I also think with him missing a few games with hamstring awareness and the forward-line functioning more than satisfactorily has been a blessing in disguise as I reckon it's allowed him to oversee the forward line without him being there and he's come back and jelling 'brilliantly'.

Exciting to think that whilst we are the most potent forwardline we are still evolving and are aiming to get better and more cohesive.
Not many elite mids can change to being a forward and make it work consistently. Danger has all the attributes to make it work with his sublime combination of speed and power plus a "Gary Rohan" like ability to contest and tackle.
He doesn't have to star , just play his role - if he does that he makes us better plus it will generate positive synergies.
Interesting to note on 360 about the hamstring - he felt it's more of a fatigue than a burst problem - let's hope he's right as playing forward suits that perfectly.

 

[Mr Meow]

We're number 1 for the competition for marks I50, while only being 9th for I50s in total. Which suggests to me that beyond instances of the Mark 1 eyeball our system is doing better than anyone else at converting opportunity to outcome. Now all of that could be inspite of Danger being the man I just find that to be unlikely.

I think his serious midfield days are well behind him.

Edit: forgot which thread I was in, good bait

Spot on.

We are easily the best side in the competition at converting inside 50s to both marks and goals/scored. We might still be that without Dangerfield in there, but I see him as an upgrade on Henry (who we can now replace with a runner/distributor up the field - like Jack Martin).

 

[And_ROOS]

Baily Smith has turned a bottom four midfield into a top four midfield.

And yet Sam McClueless says he and Holmes aren't A-Graders...