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I would prefer us to get 1.
They can win a nice soft draw one next year.
Then we can win a hard fought out campaign the year after.
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I would prefer us to get 1.
You do realise Tmac averaged more goals per game than Hogan right?
Do you know which one normally got the oppositions best defender?Their stats were eerily similar - although of course TMac is now in his prime whereas Hulk is 2 to 3 years away from his.
Do you know which one normally got the oppositions best defender?
Stats are extremely similar. I’ve not been debating Tmac is better than Hogan. I’d probably back in Tmac to kick more goals next year but if Hogan stays fit and is played permanently closer to goal he could be a 80 goal a year player.Their stats were eerily similar - although of course TMac is now in his prime whereas Hulk is 2 to 3 years away from his.
The club, it's another Watts scenario. Most of the BF Melbourne board is anti Hogan.Are you speaking on behalf of the club based on inside information or based on Demons Bigfooty board posters?
Stats are extremely similar. I’ve not been debating Tmac is better than Hogan. I’d probably backntmac to kick more goals next year but if Hogan stays fit and is played permanently closer to goal he could be a 80 goal a year player.
That’s the potential should he be regularly played close to goal. Not saying he’ll get there but he can kick a bag.In our dreams!
Lobb and McCarthy will be taking too many off him. 70 max I reckon.That’s the potential should he be regularly played close to goal. Not saying he’ll get there but he can kick a bag.
For comparison, Melbourne averaged about 60 i50 (#1 in league), and 15 goals (60*0.5*0.5). Freo averaged 48 (3rd worst in league) i50 but only 10 goals.Hogan won’t average two a game next year.
We could’ve had Lockett, Buddy and Pavlich down there last year and wouldn’t have kicked a winning score due to the way the ball was coming in. The ball also bounced out from our forward line to our defence quite easily - at times it seemed the back six were the only ones doing defensive acts. Until our midfield and small forwards are as good as Melbourne’s I doubt Hogan does what he did at Melbourne tbh.
That said I’m very happy to have him here because I’m reasonably confident we develop a decent midfield and find a couple of small forwards before his prime has passed. He’s a vital cog in what we’re building but he’s no saviour. No single player is - if you want proof Carlton won two games with Patrick Cripps playing for them.
Jesse has averaged 2 goals a game plus his entire career, including 2.2 in 2015 when Melbourne had just 44 i50s per game. Not saying he will for us straight away but they were worse than we have been and he still managed to.Hogan won’t average two a game next year.
We could’ve had Lockett, Buddy and Pavlich down there last year and wouldn’t have kicked a winning score due to the way the ball was coming in. The ball also bounced out from our forward line to our defence quite easily - at times it seemed the back six were the only ones doing defensive acts. Until our midfield and small forwards are as good as Melbourne’s I doubt Hogan does what he did at Melbourne tbh.
That said I’m very happy to have him here because I’m reasonably confident we develop a decent midfield and find a couple of small forwards before his prime has passed. He’s a vital cog in what we’re building but he’s no saviour. No single player is - if you want proof Carlton won two games with Patrick Cripps playing for them.
He was running and goal kicking etc about 3 weeks ago. He was still training with the rehab group though, so not going 100%So how is Hogan going training wise. Is he back running etc?
It's the spread of goalkickers that interests me, add Lobb, Cox, McCarthy, then the small to mediums and all of a sudden multiple playsI'd be surprised if Hogan kicks more than 40 goal to be honest. However I still think our forward line is going to be much better this year. I'm hoping for a decent amount of players to kick around the 30 goal mark.
Hogan - 35-40 goals
Tabs - 30-35 goals
Lobb - 25-30 goals
Walters - 25-30 goals (If he played as a fulltime small forward I'd have him around the 40-50 goal mark)
We do need our midfield to kick goals. It is critical, and I think we have some players who can do that. I'm not really wanting Fyfe to spend too much time as a forward per se, especially due to the loss of Neale. I am hoping we see more of the pure midfielder in Fyfe in 2019 controlling and dominating the game. We have enough diversity in our forward line that if we are smart with our strategies we can create mismatches and opportunities without him.People posting a spread of goalkickers & predicted tallies are for the most part ignoring Fyfe & Mundy.
Fyfe at the very least as a full time mid can be expected to get at least a goal s game, & this is without him playing as a forward
Interrupted preseason, foot injuries are notoriously complicated. Get him right the first time, Harley factor.Why do you think Hogan won’t play until the 4th round?
Hogan kicked two a game in 2015 and 16 in two reasonably poor sides. He's definitely capable this year.Hogan won’t average two a game next year.
We could’ve had Lockett, Buddy and Pavlich down there last year and wouldn’t have kicked a winning score due to the way the ball was coming in. The ball also bounced out from our forward line to our defence quite easily - at times it seemed the back six were the only ones doing defensive acts. Until our midfield and small forwards are as good as Melbourne’s I doubt Hogan does what he did at Melbourne tbh.
That said I’m very happy to have him here because I’m reasonably confident we develop a decent midfield and find a couple of small forwards before his prime has passed. He’s a vital cog in what we’re building but he’s no saviour. No single player is - if you want proof Carlton won two games with Patrick Cripps playing for them.
Hogan won’t average two a game next year.
We could’ve had Lockett, Buddy and Pavlich down there last year and wouldn’t have kicked a winning score due to the way the ball was coming in. The ball also bounced out from our forward line to our defence quite easily - at times it seemed the back six were the only ones doing defensive acts. Until our midfield and small forwards are as good as Melbourne’s I doubt Hogan does what he did at Melbourne tbh.
That said I’m very happy to have him here because I’m reasonably confident we develop a decent midfield and find a couple of small forwards before his prime has passed. He’s a vital cog in what we’re building but he’s no saviour. No single player is - if you want proof Carlton won two games with Patrick Cripps playing for them.
Maybe having 2 forwards that can read the play and take a mark will help even if the ball is coming in a bit poorly? You've had forwards recently that need precise delivery but i can guarantee you that other more successful clubs (ladder wise) just have players that can deal better with s**t delivery - unexpected/crap delivery affects both forward and back - backs don't just think "this kick is going to go astray" and off they go - it;s about reading the play and Hogan and Lobb are pretty good at that.
Don’t forgot they have changed the interpretation of the “hands in the back” rule. Watch the debacle it’ll cause over the first few rounds before they over correct it.Hopefully. I actually really rate Hogan and think he’ll be great for us once we sort out the delivery to him and the other forwards. I don’t particularly rate Lobb though. For our forward line to work it’ll need Lobb, McCarthy, Ballantyne, Colyer and whoever else happens to be in our forward line to be far more dangerous than they were last year, otherwise opposition clubs will place two men on Hogan and our players will bomb it to Hogan like they did to McCarthy, Cox, Taberner etc.