The Three Rucks

[mikeythemoocow]

We have three rucks on our list that could all be a number one ruckman at other teams. Playing them all at once isnt working for us, and didnt work for the Bombers last year either. None of these guys are showing that they are going to be able play as a key forward

So do we continue with all three on the list and keep one in the reserves in case of injury, knowing that the bloke in the reserves, may become unhappy and push to be traded some time in the future.

Or do we pull the trigger and look to trade one out, and draft a young bloke we can spend some time developing.

I think we have other needs on our list that are more pressing that having a spare ruckman so I am for trading one out. But who?

The way I see it Kreuzer is not going to be traded. Clubs dont just move on number one picks, he seems like he wants to be a one club player, and Carlton fans would tear the place down if he was sent packing.

That leaves Warnock and Hampson. Warnock is a better tap ruckman, though Hampson was showing he could be quite effective last year before injury. Both lag behind Kreuzer at play around the ground. Hampson is probably better as a ruck resting forward. Saying all of that Kreuzer should be playing be the main ruck and I think Hampson complements him better than Warnock. So on that I think we should look to trade out Warnock at years end, for what is another question.

Thoughts?

 

[Big_Luch]

We have three rucks on our list that could all be a number one ruckman at other teams. Playing them all at once isnt working for us, and didnt work for the Bombers last year either. None of these guys are showing that they are going to be able play as a key forward

So do we continue with all three on the list and keep one in the reserves in case of injury, knowing that the bloke in the reserves, may become unhappy and push to be traded some time in the future.

Or do we pull the trigger and look to trade one out, and draft a young bloke we can spend some time developing.

I think we have other needs on our list that are more pressing that having a spare ruckman so I am for trading one out. But who?

The way I see it Kreuzer is not going to be traded. Clubs dont just move on number one picks, he seems like he wants to be a one club player, and Carlton fans would tear the place down if he was sent packing.

That leaves Warnock and Hampson. Warnock is a better tap ruckman, though Hampson was showing he could be quite effective last year before injury. Both lag behind Kreuzer at play around the ground. Hampson is probably better as a ruck resting forward. Saying all of that Kreuzer should be playing be the main ruck and I think Hampson complements him better than Warnock. So on that I think we should look to trade out Warnock at years end, for what is another question.

Thoughts?

Agree one should be traded. Coaching staff cannot be blamed for trying it though. I like the thought of giving it a crack. It however hasnt worked and most likely wont work. For the time being it will have to be like that until a Waite, hendo, mitchell can actually play fwd.

We have paid a premium for rucks, great point by T. Wallace (only a few times has he ever made them, espcially when it comes to list management). its unfortunate we did and now have to move on. The way the game is played we are better of dropping Warnock, also the upside and 'versatility' of hammer should see him stay - hence i think thats why he got the contract last yr.

Question is what would we get for a warnock or hammer? obviously not what we paid for them. Also are we going to trade them to a premiership contender?

 

[Azul]

thylacine60 and others launch a pogrom against sexy avatars. I think the picture mikeythemoocow uses is even more disturbing.

Anyway, on topic, if we're considering trading Warnock we better have a replacement in mind - depth is just too important to ignore.

That means earmarking a couple of rucks for our 2nd draft pick, trialling Rowe|Casboult|Mitchell, rookie-ing a kid like Visser from the 2nds.

 

[thylacine60]

thylacine60 and others launch a pogrom against sexist avatars. I think the picture mikeythemoocow uses is even more disturbing.

Anyway, on topic, if we're considering trading Warnock we better have a replacement in mind - depth is just too important to ignore.

That means earmarking a couple of rucks for our 2nd draft pick, trialling Rowe|Casboult|Mitchell, rookie-ing a kid like Visser from the 2nds.

Get it right or leave it alone.

 

[ESKIE]

Trade hampson to gold coast for a young gun

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Sheer neccesity has meant we play the 3 rucks.

By the look of it, we wanted 2 big bodied KP's up the forward end, and as no-one is left, that is the structure.

For 10 years we had stop gap ruckmen, at the moment we have 3, and traded a potential AA a year ago.

ALWAYS have 3 rucks on your list.

That is all.

 

[one_twelve112]

Is this a result of our much defended 'best available' recruiting policy?
A complete disaster IMO, what ever happened to the 'necessity' and 'filling our voids''/money ball approach? Reckon mid sized flanker with good leg speed' will be our next trade bait....duuurrrrr

 

[BrunoV]

From a distance it looks as though the three rucks will/has become a similar scape goat that it was for us last year.

It seems to have all started with the jealously with which Dermott Brereton protects his reputation as a champion CHF. I think he has a fair dose of small man's syndrome and struggles to accept that he wouldn't be big enough to be considered a KPP player these days. Dermie clouds his true feelings with this semi-believable sh1t about having tricks and knowing where to lead as if this cannot be taught to players. I am ranting about this because the media swallowed the hook on this one even though, as it was for us, it is the least of your problems.

It is not as though anyone is proposing that you bring in an extra midfielder for one of the three rucks. It is going to end up being Casboult or some equally unprepared young KPP player who is, realistically, in no better position to provide key target and be able to lock the ball in than either or both Hampsen and Kruzer are. This is why the coaching staff are going with all three ruckman.

Like someone has already posted the fact that Kreuzer is a shadow of himself is probably the second biggest problem with selecting the three ruckmen (behind the continued midfield losses and crap delivery into the forward line).

What is forgotten in all of this is that the contribution of a key forward to the structure of a forward line is really not about the individual kicking goals. It is about having a player who can provide your midfielders with a target and creating contests which bring the ball to ground to feed the fleet of small, goal hungry smalls you have on your list. Obviously in an ideal world your KPFs take a few marks and kicks a few goals (we are not going to run out the BS Hardwick was about J Riewoldt) but until the development of Kreuzer and Hampsen in the positions is closer tobeing finished you can certainly settle for a goal here and there and for neither playing losing a contest.

 

[le dominateur]

That leaves Warnock and Hampson. Warnock is a better tap ruckman, though Hampson was showing he could be quite effective last year before injury. Both lag behind Kreuzer at play around the ground. Hampson is probably better as a ruck resting forward. Saying all of that Kreuzer should be playing be the main ruck and I think Hampson complements him better than Warnock. So on that I think we should look to trade out Warnock at years end, for what is another question.

Thoughts?

We trade out our best ruckman in Warnock and keep Kreuzer who cannot jump above a brick (Collingwood game must have been an abberation) and Hampson who cannot kick and looks exhausted after 2 or 3 contests.

 

[gbatman]

Our ruckmen just arent good enough marks. Warnock isn't quick enough or sstrong enought to play forward and be dangerous. Kreuzer hasn't got any tricks to lose a man on a lead and has no technique for contested marking and isn't reading the ball early enough in the air or isn't positioning himself properly under the fall of the ball and hampson, who does a lot right, just hasn't got decent hands. Don't get me started on how we go about protecting guys going for marks and putting on blocks for leading players too.

 

[Silvagnis]

It isn't hard to work out that Kreuzer isn't right. Hate that footy supporters have a memory that is limited to the last game or four. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Wish some would pay attention to this quote before posting...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

 

[pepalenko]

Sheer neccesity has meant we play the 3 rucks.

By the look of it, we wanted 2 big bodied KP's up the forward end, and as no-one is left, that is the structure.

For 10 years we had stop gap ruckmen, at the moment we have 3, and traded a potential AA a year ago.

ALWAYS have 3 rucks on your list.

That is all.

agree with the 3 ruck men necessity, but it's difficult when they could all be number 1 rucks at any other club.
Ideally we would have a minimum of 3 with one of those guys being a rookie as a back up. It would alleviate any whingeing about not getting enough game time.

 

[BrunoV]

It makes Goldstein's job quite easy when Watson is the relief ruckman. Did that decision have to be made? If not, it was bloody stupid.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I don't mind 3 rucks on the list. The last couple of years have shown the necessity with the injuries. Each would be a number 1 at other clubs but Hampson and Warnock came out of contract in the last 2 years, had the chance to do that. Instead were happy to stay, even if it means missing out, and signed a contract.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Every club needs three, and we also need to rookie another one like we did Jacobs.

 

[BrunoV]

Every club needs three, and we also need to rookie another one like we did Jacobs.

Yep, every club need two that can play, preferably a young reserve and then a long term project on the rookie list.

This 1 ruck business is rubbish. You're only ever an injury away from being ******.

 

[BlueBagged]

call me old-school, but i think you need four legitimate rucks to build a premiership list, is it too late to reverse the Jacobs trade??

 

[Boltfromtheblue]

22 rucks would be better...might even get one of them through the season

 

[Kades_Dad]

Hampson and Megan Gale to Gold Coast for Josh Caddy

 

[JustaBattler]

Hampson and Megan Gale to Gold Coast for Josh Caddy

Nooooooooooo! not Megan!

 

[Kades_Dad]

We should be able to get a second round draft pick for Hampson and a first round draft pick for Megan Gale.

 

[JustaBattler]

We should be able to get a second round draft pick for Hampson and a first round draft pick for Megan Gale.

PMSL

 

[fatbarber]

You guy's are a pot of gold, Anyone looking for a ruck would be carzy not to look into who your depth rucks are, Thankyou thankyou we just love the big Sauce bottle over here ohh did I say thankyou!!