This trade will shock a few...

[CoggaRules]

Leave Tambling alone!!!!! A 20 year old boy can't be blamed for our position. In the old days, he would have come out of the under 19's and given some time in the reserves then brought into the seniors. Most aboriginal boys take a few years to mature. Look at the Daveys. They weren't even recruited until they were 21 or 22. A boy that can kick four goals in a few minutes against the weagles (earlier this year) can't be that bad. The more pressure we put on him, the more introverted he will become. So lay off!! It's not his fault. Our senior players can't even hit a man on the chest - that's where the problem lies (and where it has lay for many years). Leave the kids alone. I'd rather persevere with them than recruit a rehashed lemon like Hudson or Houlihan.

get real dude. No one is blaming him for the position the club is in at the moment. Most are purely blaming him for the position he is in at the moment. Nowhere. And lets not start the good old, most take a few years crap too. He was taken at number 4 and when they do get picked up with that pick, they show a hell of a lot more than "he kicked four goals once against the weagels" in 3 years of footy. The most concerning thing with Bling is he is now looking slow as well. Dont know what the deal is, but the one deal that is quite clear is that he aint producing.

 

[oxx]

polak is useless as a kpp and he cant be loose all his life.

bowden is useless without the loose man helping him.

His demeanour afield is arrogant considering he's full of sh it.

He's a loop player...needs a loop around him to play and is instrumental in the calls that see the ball being "back and forthed" in the backline.

Add to this his WEEKLY TURNOVERS THAT COST US AT LEAST 2 GOALS.

Its time u all woke the fu ck up and turned on this guy.

I cant wait until he leaves.

He truly believes he is above everyone

 

[itsintheblood]

Tabling is a crumbing forward at best. It's clear he can't run and kick at the same time.

Our recruiting dept needs to be lined up and shot.

 

[Croat tiger]

Our recruiting dept needs to be lined up and shot.

I've been saying they are a disgrace for ages now.

 

[Catsace]

I've been saying they are a disgrace for ages now.

That was the point i was making. The recruiting department simply has not delivered, given the picks they have had to work with, especially 5 in the top 20 in 2004, they just haven't had any meaningful great player come out of their efforts apart from the promise of Deledio. And as yet, he isn't equipped to be the man to take a game apart. But the Tiges MUST play the Meyers, Oakley-Nichols, Hughes types until the end of the year, to see what they are capable of. What have they got to lose in this time, is 4-17-1 any better than 2-20-1? It's still probably 16th anyway.

It wasn't easy to see, but Geelong's side this week included 2004's pick 62, Matthew Egan as our starting CHB, and Matthew Stokes, pick 61 2005 who was our forward pocket who kicked 2. You don't need great draft picks, you need to make great draft SELECTIONS with those picks. Get the John Beveridges, the Kevin Sheehans, people who know young talent and then nurture it. Footy needs the Tigers to be better than what they are now.

 

[_RT_]

bowden is useless without the loose man helping him.

His demeanour afield is arrogant considering he's full of sh it.

He's a loop player...needs a loop around him to play and is instrumental in the calls that see the ball being "back and forthed" in the backline.

Add to this his WEEKLY TURNOVERS THAT COST US AT LEAST 2 GOALS.

Its time u all woke the fu ck up and turned on this guy.

I cant wait until he leaves.

He truly believes he is above everyone

It just amazes me how the bunch will sink the boot into the kids while letting others slide by because they can get their hands on it 20-30 times a game. Ask yourself a serious question:

Why is Bowden getting 25-30 touches most weeks and yet we are still losing?

Surely it must give you an indication that something is seriously wrong with the way we go about it. JB is great for Dream teams and Super Coach but as useful as a bucket on the Titanic after the iceberg, in our backline.

 

[Colonel Matrix]

Leave Tambling alone, he's still just a kid and has show enough glimpses to be hopeful.... When I say hopeful, I mean hopefully these glimpses will turn into more consistent performances next year

 

[IDGAF]

Tambling gets his contract extended for another three years based on what? That's right Tiges - reward mediocrity like we have for so long now.

Gotta remember tugs ... TW said unequivicably that this guy was going to show us he is going to be a superstar this year .

 

[IDGAF]

You don't need great draft picks, you need to make great draft SELECTIONS with those picks.

Give the man a cigar (dips lid)

 

[Rayzorwire]

polak for a 1st and 2nd round pick, mcguane can cover his loss.

McGuane is too undersized ATM to play on big blokes, his disposal and decision making is questionable, and he's proven next to nothing so far.

At least Polak has the frame...he's got a fair way to go, but he has the raw material to work with.

The folly of having nothing but 191cm, not strong enough (in some cases not YET strong enough) key defenders, is that sooner or later a whole bunch of 2nd grade forwards or ruckmen will take you to the cleaners in succession - and the rest of the comp will see and learn from it.

The value of having blokes like Polak and Hall on the list is that they can fill a few roles and can give you that extra height in defence when needed - so an average 'giant' can't beat you on sheer size rather than ability.

 

[Tambo]

Its easy to take a swipe at young under achieving players while we are struggling to win games.

Tambling is developing and is building a strong frame which is now breaking takles. He is a leader and a motivating match winner. Something we lack.

This season he has developed a fair bit. We all hope for too much. We expect Tambo to catch every player he chases. We expext him to out run everyone. We expect the 15-20 possies a game.

Our expectations are raised too high. Would we be thinking the same if Franklin hadn't developed so well? Try to think the difference between the two teams.... Hawthorn are in a winning culture this season, allowing players to shine.

Tambling doesnt have this luxery.

When I played for a successfull team I averaged 4 goals a game... we made the grand final. In the same role for a different team I struggled to gain goals to my name and we finished a few teams below the 8.

The feel between the two teams reflected on my success through out the year. This is the way I look at the Tambling issue.

It is extremely diffucult to shine in a losing environment. The motivation is not there.

The players who will shine in this unsuccessful environment are those who are playing for their careers.

King, Jackson, Hartigan, Howat and co. are busting their guts to remain on the Tiges lists.

Tambling with a contract derails motivation, Hence the underachievement. Yet, I agree he probably shouldn't have recieved such a lengthy contract. That is still not Tambling's mistake, the club is the blame.

If I was to criticise players it would be the players such as Schulz, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Hall who are seniors underperforming.

Excuse any spelling mistakes or repeating myself.. had a few tonight

 

[Rayzorwire]

If I was to criticise players it would be the players such as Schulz, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Hall who are seniors underperforming.

Excuse any spelling mistakes or repeating myself.. had a few tonight

You must have had a few if you think Hall's been underperforming...the poor bugger gets bagged when he's not even actually 'performing' at all!

I agree with your basic premise though...

 

[Nightwolf]

Tambling for Dower and a 3rd rounder

 

[Bojangles17]

Tambling for Dower and a 3rd rounder

dont worry something like this may happen....and then wait for it to bite us something cruel ..when he outdoes Rodan in new colours

 

[Roachy8]

This isn't taking any cheap shots, but surely looking at Richmond's drafting over the last several years, there are only a few handy names that have appeared. Two of those names Bojangles has mentioned in your above post are Tambling (4-2004) and Jarrad Oakley-Nichols (8-2005). It's scary to the extreme that players picked so high can appear to go sour so soon after being picked up, in circumstances that must have revealed at the time of drafting that they were among the elite of their age at that time.

Looking back to 1999 and up to 2006 (I haven't got 2007's picks, it's probably too soon to make a judgement there) i am comparing the picks to Geelongs. I could probably pick any side, but the point being that 1999 onwards means blokes now who are between 19-25 now, and forming the core of most teams lists in an ideal world. I am also not including pre-season picks, just national draft as that's a level playing field

Richmond Geelong
1999:- #3 Aaron Fiora 1999:- #8 Joel Corey
#22 Ezra Poyas #15 David Spriggs
#39 Scott Homewood #17 Ezra Bray
#52 Andrew Mills #23 Daniel Foster
#78 Ty Zantuck #31 Paul Chapman
Trade for Leon Cameron (pick 37,66) #38 Cameron Ling
Trade for Clinton King (McKee) #47 Corey Enright
Mooney for Colbert & picks 17, 53 and 67

2000:- #9 Kayne Pettifer 2000:- #44 Josh Hunt
#25 Mark Coughlan #71 Daniel Lowther
#40 Chris Hyde #79 Hamish Simpson
#41 Andrew Krakouer K.Kingsley for pick 42
#55 Chris Newman J.Murphy for pick 11
#57 Steven Sziller M.White for picks 27,45,57

2001:-#33 David Rodan 2001:- #8 Jimmy Bartel
#63 Adam Houlihan #17 James Kelly
#68 Chris Hyde (redrafted) #23 Charlie Gardiner
#77 Martin McGrath #24 Steve Johnson
Traded for Paul Hudson (pick 49) #40 Gary Ablett Jr (FS)
Traded for Greg Stafford (Daffy & pick 17) #41 Henry Playfair
#69 Matt McCarthy
#81 David Johnson
Traded for Brent Grgic (pick 55)

2002:-#12 Jay Schultz 2002:- #7 Andrew Mackie
#41 Tim Fleming #23 Tom Lonergan
#47 Billy Nicholls #36 Tim Callan (FS)
#62 Daniel Sipthorp Swap Ben Finnin for Ron Burns
Traded for Justin Blumfield (pick 28)
Traded for K.Johnson & pick 12
(for Torney plus picks 2,18,32)

2003:-#21 Alex Gilmour 2003:-#7 Kane Tenace
#37 Thomas Roach (FS) #22 Cameron Thurley
#53 Daniel Jackson #38 Mark Blake (FS)
#64 Shane Morrison #42 Matthew Spencer
#70 Brent Hartigan Trade swap D.Clarke for D.Loats
#73 Shane Tuck Trade D.Haynes & pick 42 for pick 20
#79 Simon Fletcher
#81 Kyle Archibald
Traded picks 6 & 20 for N.Brown

2004:- #1 Brett Deledio 2004:- #32 Brent Prismall
#4 Richard Tambling #48 Nathan Ablett (FS)
#12 Danny Meyer #62 Matthew Egan
#16 Adam Pattison Trade picks 12 & 16 for B.Ottens
#20 Dean Polo
#36 Luke McGuane
#52 Dean Limbach
#65 Mark Graham

2005:- #8 Jarrad Oakley-Nichols 2005:- #15 Travis Varcoe
#24 Cleve Hughes #31 Trent West
#40 Travis Casserly #35 Stephen Owen
Traded pick 55 for P.Bowden #47 Ryan Gamble
#61 Matthew Stokes

So this is seven seasons worth of drafting. Looking at the names on the right hand side compared to the left, apart from father-son selections, there is a glaring difference. Particularly if you compare the 1999 and 2001 drafts, which have been very rich for Geelong. Richmond's best opportunity would have been in 2004, with 5 selections in the top 20. Injury notwithstanding, only one of the players selected (Tambling) played in yesterdays game. The coach, or president MUST try to get the best recruiting brains out there for the Tiger's sake. I mean several of the Geelong players were there and waiting for someone to pick them up, as Geelong's highest pick was pick 7 a couple of times.

Richmond in retrospect may have made an error in getting Kane Johnson for what turned out to be pick 2 in 2002, which was used to get Daniel Wells. But getting Nathan Brown was a good move, his injury in 2005 shot down the Tigers from their 7-2 start that season. He is all class, and whether it's just his absence for much of the time since, it seems the Tiges have just lost their footy skills. How can that be explained? But it appears that almost all of the very early draft picks (Deledio aside) have barely had much impact at all.

Richmond will get a fair bite this season, as at worst it will be picks 2, and maybe 17 and 18 depending on what Carlton do (Or don't so). It must be incumbent on all at Tigerland to look deep at who is out there, and get the best available for the team. Make a plan, maybe build from the spine down like Hawthorn has, or what Geelong did which was to try and build a strong defence and on-ball divison before the forwards look after themselves. I mean every team has the same look at what's out there, but Richmond simply cannot afford to be picking guys with single digit numbers that aren't playing. Alternatively, play all these young guys and let them take ownership of the side. Make them want to feel the passion, make them want to succeed as a group. Geelong's group had a shocking year last year (10-11-1) and vowed to get it right. The talent of that group wasn't under question, it was their desire. They seem to have that right now, Richmond has to find the way to get their players to do what they displayed as kids, and play talented football. That's just my opinion of this anyway.

Good analysis my feline friend... & all due respect...
However, the real question now should be why can a Geelong supporting poster on Big Footy get it so clearly when our highly paid & regarded Richmond coach + recruiters flounder around for years and years like an Andrew Raines in the spotlight trying to handball???????
Oh the misery of it all...

 

[Russ74]

It just amazes me how the bunch will sink the boot into the kids while letting others slide by because they can get their hands on it 20-30 times a game. Ask yourself a serious question:

Why is Bowden getting 25-30 touches most weeks and yet we are still losing?

Surely it must give you an indication that something is seriously wrong with the way we go about it. JB is great for Dream teams and Super Coach but as useful as a bucket on the Titanic after the iceberg, in our backline.

I agree he plays in way that doesn't help us, maybe even the way Terry Towling wants him too. I agree that his game seems to be all about him. Imagine growing in the Richmond environment he has. He's probably tried the team first approach and got nowhere so he has dedicated himself to enjoying the game and getting as many touches as he can. Wrong but thats us.

 

[Russ74]

Good analysis my feline friend... & all due respect...
However, the real question now should be why can a Geelong supporting poster on Big Footy get it so clearly when our highly paid & regarded Richmond coach + recruiters flounder around for years and years like an Andrew Raines in the spotlight trying to handball???????
Oh the misery of it all...

That is the question that makes us so angry and dispirited about this once great club. How can they not get it?

 

[sante]

Thank god for us younger fans who should see us be successful in 50 years time, I feel for you 30+year olds

 

[oxx]

Thank god for us younger fans who should see us be successful in 50 years time, I feel for you 30+year olds

we'll still be around....and even more bitter.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Thank god for us younger fans who should see us be successful in 50 years time, I feel for you 30+year olds

typical youth of today, the optimisim of today makes me sick

LOL

 

[Samuri Pizza Cat]

bowden is useless without the loose man helping him.

His demeanour afield is arrogant considering he's full of sh it.

He's a loop player...needs a loop around him to play and is instrumental in the calls that see the ball being "back and forthed" in the backline.

Add to this his WEEKLY TURNOVERS THAT COST US AT LEAST 2 GOALS.

Its time u all woke the fu ck up and turned on this guy.

I cant wait until he leaves.

He truly believes he is above everyone

this is the most accurate post ever. well done oxx man you are spot on!!!!!!!