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Thoughts on Draft and Picks
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Putting aside ability, position, etc our three picks are about determination, 1%ers and solid physical footy. Ratts is putting his stamp on the club by injecting some of the features he himself brought to the game. They balance out nicely with last year's more outside selections and bring a bit of hardmess to the table - something we are lacking.
Early days but I appreciate the line of thinking we appear to be taking.
We really have got to the point where we do have talent developing on every line now. Kruezer's selection adds to our ruck/KP forward division. We have a lot of developing KP forwards and KP defenders. And our midfield group is getting pretty big as well. So in a way this draft was a bit tricky, because it's a matter of finding the type of player that would add something to this developing list. A smaller defender has been an obvious deficiency. We have been using 188-190cm midfielder types to match up the opposition midget goal sneaks, which has been partly successful, but not ideal. We have plenty of developing height in defense, but no real smalls. So Browne's selection was a good one. Armfield's selection was an interesting one. A bit left-field. He's been in the system a year longer than most others in the draft. Some rate the guy extremely highly, and he may have just fallen through the cracks. He is a smaller midfielder, and that's something we lack for starters. Also very quick, and skillful on both sides, and will probably be ready to debut early than many draftees. There was no point adding another 190cm pacy midfielder to our list, as we already have Walker, Judd, Russell and Grigg. What we need to do is add someone a bit different. Someone closer to Murph's size. If you look through the better performing non-Carlton teams, they invariably have several midfielders around the 180cm mark. We only have Murph, and Eddie when he does his pinch-hitting thing. So Armfield may fill that niche. The PSD and Rookie draft will be interesting. You just get a gut feeling that Swann has something up his sleeve. These selections should be high risk picks IMO. i.e. players with a heap of talent, but are struggling to live up to that ability for some reason. If they don't work out, it's no big deal, because our list is already loaded with top-shelf developing talent. What we are looking for with these picks is X-factor. 
We really have got to the point where we do have talent developing on every line now. Kruezer's selection adds to our ruck/KP forward division. We have a lot of developing KP forwards and KP defenders. And our midfield group is getting pretty big as well. So in a way this draft was a bit tricky, because it's a matter of finding the type of player that would add something to this developing list. A smaller defender has been an obvious deficiency. We have been using 188-190cm midfielder types to match up the opposition midget goal sneaks, which has been partly successful, but not ideal. We have plenty of developing height in defense, but no real smalls. So Browne's selection was a good one. Armfield's selection was an interesting one. A bit left-field. He's been in the system a year longer than most others in the draft. Some rate the guy extremely highly, and he may have just fallen through the cracks. He is a smaller midfielder, and that's something we lack for starters. Also very quick, and skillful on both sides, and will probably be ready to debut early than many draftees. There was no point adding another 190cm pacy midfielder to our list, as we already have Walker, Judd, Russell and Grigg. What we need to do is add someone a bit different. Someone closer to Murph's size. If you look through the better performing non-Carlton teams, they invariably have several midfielders around the 180cm mark. We only have Murph, and Eddie when he does his pinch-hitting thing. So Armfield may fill that niche. The PSD and Rookie draft will be interesting. You just get a gut feeling that Swann has something up his sleeve. These selections should be high risk picks IMO. i.e. players with a heap of talent, but are struggling to live up to that ability for some reason. If they don't work out, it's no big deal, because our list is already loaded with top-shelf developing talent. What we are looking for with these picks is X-factor.
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Hartlett, Edwards, and now Kreuzer can now be added to that group (Ruck and pinch hitting up forward)
Waite, Fisher, Hartlett, Edwards, and part time - Hampson and Kruezer. That's enough I would have thought, considering Fev is the permanent FF. Setanta can also pinch-hit as a KP forward as well. So apart from Fev, we have 7 other possible/potential KP forward options. That's enough to produce depth and a versatile forward structure. In fact it was going to be hard to accommodate both Kruezer and Kennedy on our list.
He's been playing footy for less than 3 yrs. Ex-rugby boy. At 21 he'd be almost physically ready and has good upside.
We've got talls coming out of our arrse. We're just not sure where they all fit in yet. Once we went for the gimme in Kreuzer, we were always going to go for mid types to address the imbalance in our list.
Interesting. I didn't know about the rugby background.
The interesting thing about rugby boys is they don't know a lot about running backwards.
I guess Scotland, Houlihan and Thornton didn't play Rugby then
.But yes, there is an imbalance on our list in terms of talls. We have 6 ruckman on our list going into next year. Ackland, Cloke, Kreuzer, Aisake, Hampson and Jacobs (r).
Imo we're probably 1 ruckman overboard there. *nudges Ackland out the door*
I guess Scotland, Houlihan and Thornton didn't play Rugby then
But yes, there is an imbalance on our list in terms of talls. We have 6 ruckman on our list going into next year. Ackland, Cloke, Kreuzer, Aisake, Hampson and Jacobs (r).
Imo we're probably 1 ruckman overboard there. *nudges Ackland out the door*
Haha I like your thinking....seriously this time next season we will have 4 possibly 3 ruckman on our list so all should be good when we should be challenging in 09/10
I guess Scotland, Houlihan and Thornton didn't play Rugby then
But yes, there is an imbalance on our list in terms of talls. We have 6 ruckman on our list going into next year. Ackland, Cloke, Kreuzer, Aisake, Hampson and Jacobs (r).
Imo we're probably 1 ruckman overboard there. *nudges Ackland out the door*
Ackland is gone. He can be crossed off now. Just can't see Jacobs breaking into the ruck role. Cloke is going to have to reinvent himself as a KP/tall utility type. Will be tough for him though. Bottom line - there is a lot of competition for spots in our side. And the competition for a spot in the midfield is even hotter. We have all the talent we need now. The real challenge is player development, and getting the team structure and gameplan right.
Ackland is gone. He can be crossed off now. Just can't see Jacobs breaking into the ruck role. Cloke is going to have to reinvent himself as a KP/tall utility type. Will be tough for him though. Bottom line - there is a lot of competition for spots in our side. And the competition for a spot in the midfield is even hotter. We have all the talent we need now. The real challenge is player development, and getting the team structure and gameplan right.
I can see Cloke being used as our CHF. Waite will stay CHB. Cloke has a great mark, booming kick, and quite honestly, last year he gave every reason for us to believe in him. I think he'll be the goods
yeah because theyre shit
I never argue with C'wood supporters when the topic is shit given they spend most of their lives wallowing in it. Haven't you got something better to do - like go and plait something.
I can see Cloke being used as our CHF. Waite will stay CHB. Cloke has a great mark, booming kick, and quite honestly, last year he gave every reason for us to believe in him. I think he'll be the goods
I really like Cloke's attitude. He plays with passion, and plays for the jumper. He also exerts a real physical presence, and could play CHF. Unlike Ackland, Cloke has the capability to reinvent himself. I have no doubt he realises he has to, with the 200cm rucks Hampson, Aisake and Kruezer coming through. I hope he makes it. Shoulder's the concern though.
Rookie draft and PSD on December 11th I think.
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ohh brilliant thanks a lot.. thats going to be very interesting to see who we rookie list!
All 3 players very hard at the footy something we desperately need.
Browne was very solid for WA in U18 champs & then went on to play seniors in WAFL gaining a BOG in one match.Will be a perfect replacement in next few years for Scotland & Houlihan.
There is a good writeup about Armfield in the drafts & trading board under Carlton's draft picks, has upside.
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2 hard nut genuine footballers at #36 & #46, not 192cm gazelles that cant kick.
The recruiting dept had Browne in their top 20 and Armfield in the top 25.
I think they probably made 2 very wise selections here.
The recruiting dept had Browne in their top 20 and Armfield in the top 25.
I think they probably made 2 very wise selections here.
I can see Cloke being used as our CHF. Waite will stay CHB. Cloke has a great mark, booming kick, and quite honestly, last year he gave every reason for us to believe in him. I think he'll be the goods
cloke lacks the mobility/agility/pace to play CHF, and his several shoulder recos meen he struggles more to mark above his head.....cloke is undersized in the ruck
he did show something...but collingwood delisted him for a reason - too small to ruck, too immobile for KP
