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[Danoz]

Opps, that should have been....why didn't he come with Jessie White.

I was suggesting the other player could be going to another club i.e. Parker to Carlton

 

[footy_noob]

Scott Selwood vs nothing.... This might need a poll

Zaharakis was pick 22

sure, do the poll on your board.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What if the extra player was going to another club?

Maybe in Sydney where no-one knows players generally ........so yes potentially with GWS

 

[slice]

I don't think Sydney need to off load players to fit Tippett in IMO, didn't pay near the TPP & have Bradshaws 400K & Seaby's 350K off the books next year, also LRT going on the vetrans list. I think that if White went to Adelaide, Sydney might be picking up some of he's pay.

If your think the Knights compo pick ( likely round 3 ) is saving face for losing a player like Rohan, Parker, Jetta or Lamb you know nothing about the worth of players.

Correct, you had the Bradshaw and Seaby headroom when you approached Tippett, but that was before you won the flag. You're going to have to pay performance increments on your contracts for the majority of the 22 that played in the GF. Some of that headroom will be eaten up, say... $300k worth. That's where White comes in.

Plus, you need room to re-contract Kennedy and others next year, so that influences what you can do with the Tippett contract and how you structure it.

I take your point regarding the compo pick - but, how often have we seen a second/third rounder thrown into deals in previous trade periods? You might not use pick 63 (or whatever) for a player, you might package it into something else to move yourself up in the draft.

The reality is, the Crows won't be able to use the Knights compo for a player, so they'd offload it for not much at all, especially if it's the tipping point to get a deal through.

I'm not saying the compo pick is worth a Parker, it's the balance of Tippett and the compo pick that might be just enough to get Parker over the line.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Alex I know this is going to look like a bitchy personal attack but you often refer to being involved in education and I am genuinely interested, are you currently a teacher? If so do you ask your students to proof read their work?

Yes I do and I make a distinct difference in what work needs to be assessed. Work that is just for creative writing that has different stages towards being a finished product and rough draft work that will need to be edited but I also remind them when you are posting on Big Footy remember that it's just a random internet site and none of those issues apply.

Where the beef groomy?

 

[Thylacinus]

Re Trigg being OS, we are all aloud our four weeks (min) holidays a year and a bit of long service leave, or we go crazy, and we don't want that from our representatives, especially in high stress postions, regardless of what we may think of the odd decision. The structures would have been put in place ages ago to cope with his absence, and rightly so. What we have brewing is an AFC decision, and can not be palmed off to one individual. Workaholism is as dangerous as laziness! Regardless of the past, enjoy the trip Triggy!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Your assessment of the GWS best interests? Id be more interested in what the GWS think is in their best interest.

Maybe GWS don't think that picking a bloke who doesn't want to be there and making him your second highest paid player is in their best interest.

Its one thing to state that you would be interested in trading for a bloke, its an entirely different scenario to force a bloke to your club against their will.

Recent history suggests that when an out of contract player nominates a club, that's where they end up even if they have to use the PSD to get there.

Its a crap situation but player managers have clearly worked out how to create a free agency situation within the current system. Be angry at the sytem, be angry at Bulcher, and be angry at Sydney for their blood thirty approach to this trade.

And yet teams have 'forced' players against their will (the very definition of a draft btw).

As far as GWS's opinion of their best interest goes: they arent going to tell you their internal thinking. You need to form a prediction. Does that raise an element of risk? Of course. Is that risk worthwhile to for the chance of preventing what is the key negative here i.e. Tippett to Sydney. I submit yes.

You are getting by on inferring that theres a guarantee that GWS wouldnt take him though. Perhaps you should support that. We know they have an interest in acquiring him. I dont see any way that there could be certainty that Tippett would make it to GWS, IMO theres more in favour of suspecting that he wouldnt.

 

[.Shotties.]

Correct, you had the Bradshaw and Seaby headroom when you approached Tippett, but that was before you won the flag. You're going to have to pay performance increments on your contracts for the majority of the 22 that played in the GF. Some of that headroom will be eaten up, say... $300k worth.

I wouldn't say so. Looking at last year's TPP, there's not much at all between first and third and even less between 8 and premiers. Certainly not 300k worth, unless Geelong were paying the least of any club in the comp before they won the flag.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/...telligence-global-salary-survey-espn-magazine


Geelong $8,131,648
Fremantle $8,012,733
Richmond $8,001,077
Adelaide Crows $7,962,526
Melbourne $7,955,295
Brisbane Lions $7,937,887
Port Adelaide $7,911,281
North Melbourne $7,883,079
Western Bulldogs $7,841,951

 

[The Crows Truth]

Re Trigg being OS, we are all aloud our four weeks (min) holidays a year and a bit of long service leave, or we go crazy, and we don't want that from our representatives, especially in high stress postions, regardless of what we may think of the odd decision. The structures would have been put in place ages ago to cope with his absence, and rightly so. What we have brewing is an AFC decision, and can not be palmed off to one individual. Workaholism is as dangerous as laziness! Regardless of the past, enjoy the trip Triggy!

ok we get it

 

[Rave Slave]

What you seem to overlook in your pessimistic view, is that Sydney don't have a top 10 pick to offer.

Oh, well that makes it all better then. I was getting angry becase Sydney were only offering 22 but if that's their best pick then everything's forgiven. Silly me. If Patrick Dangerfield wants to go home next year and the team who finishes first offer us pick 18 and the team who finishes dead last offers us pick 1 I'll view them as equal currency because in fairness to the team who finished premiers it's not their fault they don't have a top 5 pick.

Stop deluding yourself Jenny. It's a rubbish offer and who gives a toss whether Sydney has a top 10 pick or not, they should be obtaining one to deal with us from another club.

 

[BACCS]

ok dude... something wrong with your browser? you posted this 5 times.

7 now...

 

[ltdamn]

We all need a laugh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tippett

 

[Magma]

i'd like to hear from big future about trigg being overseas.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

People will respect us more if we take nothing.

Yeah absolutely agree ......if wanted White can do a separate deal.

That means Pick 25 for Tippett (yes with compo picks to be announced tomorrow) .......we have to draw a line

Even so ....if we said negotiations finished ......do Sydney really want to call our bluff and risk the PSD

Absolutely not !!

But why aren't we playing that card

 

[Cap]

Cap what does that mean?!

Sorry

basically, Roo said that he had heard from the horses mouth that the deal had been done, but strangley when he talked to his other contacts there was no deal

what I am not sure of is if he meant White or Tippet (see rayven post in which he questions who I am talking about)

 

[Tex200]

Very poor form for Trigg to be overseas.

This is a business and a major public one at that. NO CEO has holidays when his/her organisation is about to enter a restricted time period where disposal of a major asset is to be decided.

Epic leadership fail.

 

[Southerntakeover]

It is NOT rubbish, it is a simple fact. As it stands, Sydney want to offer their best pick which happens to be pick 22. Now to improve that, they need to be shopping around players that they feel are expendable - to teams that a) have a need for said players and b) have a lower draft pick than them. Put yourself in their shoes - if Adelaide had won the premiership last year, you'd be furious if they wanted to trade out any of our premiership team. So it's a difficult situation for them, and is why this is all taking so long. If it were pick 22 and that was it (or the addition of White as the steak knives) then they would have said that 2 weeks ago and left it at that. Clearly they have been told that isn't acceptable and they need to work something else out - hence the two weeks.

No, thats still rubbish.

The whole 'dont want to trade a premiership player' is code. What that accounts to is 'they dont want to give up anything'.

If I am attempting to negotiate a settlement to a matter it would not be viewed as appropriate if I suggest that I can only give the $90 in my pocket as a settlement if I own a million dollars worth of assets. They could very easily create an improved offer.

 

[Mego Red]

Honestly, there is no inside information, it's just some connecting of the dots with a commercial approach rather than an emotional response.

Sydney just won a flag. The is no doubt that their performance this year would have triggered a number of performance clauses in their players' contracts. They will receive some relief from veteran listings and front-ended deals but they will be working in a very tight space. They need to off-load a player or two to free up the room for Tippett but they also want to keep their list structure. If the reports are true (that is, White has a year to go and is on around $300k) then White is the perfect player to trade out. He's a like-for-like with Tippett and frees up enough to bring Tippett in.

Now, the other option for Sydney is to pick Tippett up in the PSD. There are two issues here, they need price out GWS and they also need to find the salary cap space. It's likely that they would de-list White and terminate his contract. This would mean that Sydney would have to find $300k plus any termination penalties out of the already cash-strapped football department's budget (see Colless email).

The Crows would be aware of these factors. They know Sydney, despite the bravado, are operating within some pretty tight margins.

White has become more palatable for the Crows, particularly if they have a taker for McKernan, who it is well known is homesick. White can be the depth coverage for Jenkins... but there has to be more on the table. I just couldn't see the Crows wanting to strengthen a rival by providing them with a key-forward and taking a financial liability off their hands without adequate compensation. That compensation isn't pick 22. There has to be more.

Further, there is no way the Crows would have gone this deep into the trade period (knowing Sydney's PSD issue) if White and 22 was all that was on the table from Sydney. They'd be selling Tippett to GWS, Carlton and anyone else and telling those clubs to go convince Tippett. There would be much more media and interest from other clubs than there currently is.

I'm tipping the Knights compo is the sweetner that Sydney need to save a bit of face when they offer up a name player like Rohan, Parker, Jetta or Lamb.

Quality post.

And quality Jonathon Ross avatar.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Geelong ......Caddy, Macintosh, & Rivers for ablett compo pick and 2nd round .....bloody good effort

Adelaide .....Jesse White ...WOW can't really compare can we

 

[Wood_Duck]

And yet teams have 'forced' players against their will (the very definition of a draft btw).

As far as GWS's opinion of their best interest goes: they arent going to tell you their internal thinking. You need to form a prediction. Does that raise an element of risk? Of course. Is that risk worthwhile to for the chance of preventing what is the key negative here i.e. Tippett to Sydney. I submit yes.

You are getting by on inferring that theres a guarantee that GWS wouldnt take him though. Perhaps you should support that. We know they have an interest in acquiring him. I dont see any way that there could be certainty that Tippett would make it to GWS, IMO theres more in favour of suspecting that he wouldnt.

I guess it depends on where our priorities lie. Make the best of a shit deal and take 22 or stop Tiprat getting to Sydney. I'm actually not that fussed if he goes to the PSD. I do think that watching him make it to Sydney in the PSD would be quite humiliating. From my point of view that is worst case scenario.

 

[Danoz]

Oh, well that makes it all better then. I was getting angry becase Sydney were only offering 22 but if that's their best pick then everything's forgiven. Silly me. If Patrick Dangerfield wants to go home next year and the team who finishes first offer us pick 18 and the team who finishes dead last offers us pick 1 I'll view them as equal currency because in fairness to the team who finished premiers it's not their fault they don't have a top 5 pick.

Stop deluding yourself Jenny. It's a rubbish offer and who gives a toss whether Sydney has a top 10 pick or not, they should be obtaining one to deal with us from another club.

Uh, thats what jenny was alluding to...

 

[mcday]

Petrie was pick 23, Steve Johnson was pick 24, Zaharakis was pick 22, hell, even Fyfe was pick 20. There is still a chance we could luck out with that pick

 

[The Crows Truth]

We all need a laugh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tippett

classic work - well done

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Geelong ......Caddy, Macintosh, & Rivers for ablett compo pick and 2nd round .....bloody good effort

Adelaide .....Jesse White ...WOW can't really compare can we

the compo pick didnt nominate a preferred club...

 

[Richo83]

I'm not a crow fan, but I definitely sit in the crows camp on this and feel you've been ripped off. Sydney can hardly say they've "fair and decent" at the trade table. They knew Tippett wanted to leave, offered him big bucks and when they knew Adelaide couldn't keep him, forced the crows to accept the sum of effectively a bag of magic beans.