Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Mego Red]

The problem with this theory, and all the others banging on about Jesse White's salary being a factor in the KT deal, is that it was Jesse White who requested to be traded not the other way round. Indeed Jesse's decision to occured *prior to * KT deciding he wanted to come to the Swans. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...look-for-greener-pastures-20121004-27271.html

Thus Jesse is requesting to terminate his contract, not for it to be transfered to the new club. It is therefore up to him to agree with the Crows what his new salary would be.

Therefore the Swans offer to the Crows became 2nd round pick plus JW (to find him a home), rather than just a 2nd round pick.

The Swans salary cap issues vis KT was solved by delisting Mark Seabey, who is no longer needed.

Not much logic in this.

The question is not when Jesse White decided he wanted to leave. That is irrelevant.

The question is can the Swans afford Tippett with White still in their salary cap.

Seaby (no second 'e') is meaningless. Sure, you might lose a bit from him and some veterans, but you have other salary obligations coming out of a premiership year. Mature players aren't cheap.

 

[slice]

BECAUSE HE IS CONTRACTED.

EXCEPT, if you terminate his contract and delist him, then he is NO LONGER CONTRACTED. So there has to be an AFL rule stating that the totality of the contract is used for the purposes of the calculation of the TPP, even if a contract is terminated.

I was asking whether there is a rule. Apparently there is.

Pull your head in.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

This is what shits me the MOST about this whole sorry episode.

"but... but... $kurt only wants to go to $ydney.."

Seriously, how pathetic is this?

No, you will go wherever the CLUB will get the best deal.

The most a player should be allowed to ask for is to just leave a club, unless under extreme circumstances they prefer a specific city (sick family etc).

Selecting a specific club purely for money or because their nightclubs are better or some other insipid excuse is downright embarrassing.

 

[slice]

There is a reason that clubs generally only offer old players 1 year extensions.

Didn't know about that rule. Makes the GWS punt on Davis' shoulders pretty ballsy then.

 

[.Shotties.]

The question is can the Swans afford Tippett with White still in their salary cap.

I'd wager it's more likely than not.

 

[iig_Swans]

The question is can the Swans afford Tippett with White still in their salary cap.

Yes because....

The Swans salary cap issues vis KT was solved by delisting Mark Seaby, who is no longer needed.

 

[MRB37]

Some players become a lot better players at another club.

Just because Jesse White seems a spud so far, doesn't mean that he won't improve.

How many players have looked like nothing at first, but hadn't grown into their body, or couldn't adapt, and then went to another club and became a much better player.

I'm not saying that White could be as good as Tippett, (and you should hold out for a lot more) but all of you writing White off as a spud, when he could end up at Adelaide and play better for you than he did at Sydney.

Even still there's a chance he won't even get an opportunity to show it since guys like Jenkins and McKernan will be given first crack at replacing Tips. Why pay $300,000 for a guy that'll most likely play at the state level the majority of the time?

 

[Hollow Knight]

EXCEPT, if you terminate his contract and delist him, then he is NO LONGER CONTRACTED. So there has to be an AFL rule stating that the totality of the contract is used for the purposes of the calculation of the TPP, even if a contract is terminated.

I was asking whether there is a rule. Apparently there is.

Pull your head in.

There is indeed such a rule. Sydney and Brisbane were still paying Bradshaw and Fevola respectively this year, and it was included in their caps.

 

[headache1]

Some players become a lot better players at another club.

Just because Jesse White seems a spud so far, doesn't mean that he won't improve.

How many players have looked like nothing at first, but hadn't grown into their body, or couldn't adapt, and then went to another club and became a much better player.

I'm not saying that White could be as good as Tippett, (and you should hold out for a lot more) but all of you writing White off as a spud, when he could end up at Adelaide and play better for you than he did at Sydney.

We have no need for White. We already have two younger palyers in Jenkins and McKernan, both of which are KPF/Ruck combo types, and there has been nothing shown by Jesse White that would indicate he's going to be an improvement on either of them.

 

[catman 71]

if you can call it hardball, there is no way the alleged deal sydney are offering is a reasonable deal and we are saying actually that is not ok (or at least i hope thats what were doing)

"Hardball" wasn't meant as an insult. In fact, it is your duty to get what you can.

It just seems that some here would sooner not deal with Adelaide, no matter who they offered, just to spite Tippett, and send him to a club that the didn't choose.

 

[redhorse]

The longer this goes on the more i think we are just going for a bigfooty pages record.
550.......wow! Is it already a record?

 

[.Shotties.]

Yes because....

The Swans salary cap issues vis KT was solved by delisting Mark Seaby, who is no longer needed.

+ Bradshaw + ~600k in veterans payments. 300 if you take into account the current veterans rules.

 

[Dangerzone_19]

Barrett says clubs have room, Rucci says he'll walk to Sydney. Neither of them have great records, who do we believe?

Fremantle are the big sleeper here in the PSD. They offered Cloke millions of dollars, surely they have plenty of that left after signing Pearce.

 

[catman 71]

Yes. White really is that bad.

Hypothetical. If you had a choice, who would you rate higher?

Jesse White, or Mark Blake (who used to play for Geelong)?

 

[Moonwatcher]

This is what shits me the MOST about this whole sorry episode.

"but... but... $kurt only wants to go to $ydney.."

Seriously, how pathetic is this?

No, you will go wherever the CLUB will get the best deal.

The most a player should be allowed to ask for is to just leave a club, unless under extreme circumstances they prefer a specific city (sick family etc).

Selecting a specific club purely for money or because their nightclubs are better or some other insipid excuse is downright embarrassing.

I think now that there are two clubs in every state that currently has a team. Players should be required to nominate at least two clubs. Tippett has refused to consider any club actually willing to trade for him.

 

[iig_Swans]

(Seaby) + Bradshaw + ~600k in veterans payments. 300 if you take into account the current veterans rules.

Exactly!!!

The Swans DO NOT have a salary cap issue fitting in *both* White and KT.

Hence the uproar over Sydney's COL allowance.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I think now that there are two clubs in every state that currently has a team. Players should be required to nominate at least two clubs. Tippett has refused to consider any club actually willing to trade for him.

Not sure how it would work though as the crows would be in the same situation if say Kurt nominated Hawthorn as the second club :/

 

[cmndstab]

The longer this goes on the more i think we are just going for a bigfooty pages record.
550.......wow! Is it already a record?

Probably. Under the previous software we were not supposed to let threads exceed 100 pages.

 

[Elite Crow]

Rowey suggested theres a rumour White to Brisbane and we get 24. 23 & 24 are unders but id do that deal.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

PLEASE PLEASE let there be footage of Tippetts face as he is called out by Fremantle in the draft so that someone can make a super awesome GIF of his heartbreak. I will feed on those tears longtime!

 

[SpeciousArgument]

"Hardball" wasn't meant as an insult. In fact, it is your duty to get what you can.

It just seems that some here would sooner not deal with Adelaide, no matter who they offered, just to spite Tippett, and send him to a club that the didn't choose.

wasnt taking it as an insult, i dont call it hardball what were doing, if they offered pick 8 and 23 and we said 'what else you got' i see that as hardball. saying 'really? we can have pick 23 if we take white's contract off you hands and you get Tippett?, think we'll wait a little longer' is more like not wanting to be ripped off.

Im ok with spiting tippett and sydney at this stage of the game, from what is known or alleged around this topic sydney and tippett have been trolling us since august and if we accept that then next year it'll be a third round pick for sloane. I think being taken seriously in the future is more important than 'just getting something, no matter how inequitable'

 

[Stiffy_18]

CH10 reported that lawyers are getting called in as the deal stalls.

My guess is, its about this agreement and whether it can stand up or not!

If true, SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Hypothetical. If you had a choice, who would you rate higher?

Jesse White, or Mark Blake (who used to play for Geelong)?

mark who?

 

[Hodgy]

EXCEPT, if you terminate his contract and delist him, then he is NO LONGER CONTRACTED. So there has to be an AFL rule stating that the totality of the contract is used for the purposes of the calculation of the TPP, even if a contract is terminated.

I was asking whether there is a rule. Apparently there is.

Pull your head in.

Not so much that there is a rule, rather you can't terminate the contract. That can only happen if both parties agree. So even though he can be delisted, he still has a valid contract so it must count towards the cap. Otherwise rich clubs would offer 7 year deals to great players and if they get injured or lose form then just delist them and get another one with the cap space.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Rowey suggested theres a rumour White to Brisbane and we get 24. 23 & 24 are unders but id do that deal.

wtf are we going to do with 23 and 24, i thought we could only bring one more player in