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[arsene wenger1]

Dumb and dumber reporting that the investigation likely to take another 2 weeks.

Interestingly rowey says the "bunsen burner" is now being turned right up on Sydney.

Yep....funny if they get done

 

[macca23]

Rowey just stated on 5AA that the whole Tippettgate investigation will continue until around mid-November due to its scope being widened to examine Sydney's integrity in this whole matter.

Cornesy confirmed that and said the AFL's integrity officers really had something to sink their teeth into for a change, along with the Melbourne tanking issue, and were pursuing both these matters really hard and in depth.

Looks like we might not be the only club to get penalties once the whole Tippettgate matter is finally washed up.

Maybe Andrew Ireland is not as smart as he thinks he is.

If Sydney had only been half reasonable, Tippett would have been a Swan and they would have had no problems.

Now their role is being investigated and they don't have Tippett. Clever stuff, Andrew Ireland..

What would the odds be now of Tippett becoming a Swan??

What a fk-up The Tippett clan have caused wherever they go.

 

[NikkiNoo]

It doesn't have to be physical reference, it refers to his soft mental approach.

And as a female, I object that just because of my sex I am considered to have a soft mental approach.

 

[arsene wenger1]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

Reckon might be more to it....like an agreement between the 2 parties back in august

 

[Realslimshady2]

Dumb and dumber reporting that the investigation likely to take another 2 weeks.

Interestingly rowey says the "bunsen burner" is now being turned right up on Sydney.

I think Sydney will come out of this wearing plenty of mud.

 

[IddyBiddy]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

How could they claim not to know about the clause and then try to enforce it on the AFC? They are clearly complicit in draft tampering as they attempted to enforce the agreement. The fact that they were not going to offer any more than pick 23 and J White is evidence of that.

 

[PykeDream]

How could they claim not to know about the clause and then try to enforce it on the AFC? They are clearly complicit in draft tampering as they attempted to enforce the agreement. The fact that they were not going to offer any more than pick 23 and J White is evidence of that.

Do you reckon that's enough for them to get a sanction though? After all they're just taking advantage of an opponent's handicapped positioning, and I don't think they'd need to do any enforcing - just offer a figure above what is stated in the agreement and say take it or leave it.

 

[Crowked]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

Perhaps conspiring with a players manager to extort a very lopsided trade using an illegal side deal as leverage?

 

[StuPendus]

Rowey just stated on 5AA that the whole Tippettgate investigation will continue until around mid-November due to its scope being widened to examine Sydney's integrity in this whole matter.

Cornesy confirmed that and said the AFL's integrity officers really had something to sink their teeth into for a change, along with the Melbourne tanking issue, and were pursuing both these matters really hard and in depth.

Looks like we might not be the only club to get penalties once the whole Tippettgate matter is finally washed up.

Maybe Andrew Ireland is not as smart as he thinks he is.

If Sydney had only been half reasonable, Tippett would have been a Swan and they would have had no problems.

Now their role is being investigated and they don't have Tippett. Clever stuff, Andrew Ireland..

What would the odds be now of Tippett becoming a Swan??

What a fk-up The Tippett clan have caused wherever they go.

But then on the 4.30 news the reader stated that the AFL have briefed the SANFL being the Crows license holders and a result could be at the end of this week. Of course the dumb ones didn’t pick up on the anomaly.

 

[skoobydoo]

That's with the assumption that we believed that we absolutely would be forced to trade him in 2012. If that was the case then why didn't we trade him last year when Brisbane made us a good offer? The Club, rightly or wrongly, believed that they could convince him to stay.

New coach, but it wasn't enough.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

attempting to benefit from it could also amount to draft tampering.

 

[skoobydoo]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

Nontheless they knowingly 'used' the agreement!

 

[Tex200]

Lets call a spade a spade..the whole trade attempt was a royal screw up by all parties.

Subject to formal findings, its likely that we were stupid with the whole attempt to keep him and writing stuff down.

Sydney were stupid in not accepting the Tippett for pick 23, instead insisting we take on Jesse White as part of the trade.

Tippett was extremely stupid for allowing his manager to release statements to the effect he was refusing to speak to GWS (what would it have taken for Kurt to pick up the phone and have a 5 min chat with Sheeds) instead of at least making it look like he would go elsewhere.

The whole episode is mind boggling in its poor attempt at execution when seemingly all parties must have known what was at stake. All 3 deserve the book thrown at them even its for nothing more than insulting the intelligence of the AFL and supporters.

 

[Tex200]

I don't see how they could be implicated. They weren't involved in the initial agreement, and hence how could they have done anything wrong? Knowing of the agreement shouldn't be enough to land them in hot water, as much as I'd like it to.

The draft tampering rules are, I think, pretty broad.

If they knew about the agreement and were complicit in using it to effect the trade then they may well be implicated. The smart thing to do, if they really wanted him that badly, would have been to ignore the agreement, encourage Tippett to talk to other clubs, get a feel for what was being offered, then give something in the ball park.

If there was an ageement, if they knew about it, and if they were relying upon it to ensure Tippett did not go to another club, how are they any less complicit than Tippett who was relying on it for the very same result?

 

[Elite Crow]

How could they claim not to know about the clause and then try to enforce it on the AFC? They are clearly complicit in draft tampering as they attempted to enforce the agreement. The fact that they were not going to offer any more than pick 23 and J White is evidence of that.

It's worse than that, it seems we would have done pick 23. Its them forcing us to take White and his contract which ****ed it all up. Forcing us into such a position wouldn't have happened if they weren't aware of the clause. Hence they are implicated in draft/trade tampering.

I would love to know how much heat the Tippetts have placed on Sydney for being pricks.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

IMO it will not take another two weeks before the AFL hand down their findings sooner rather than later as this combined with the tanking issue is a bad look that needs to be dealt with as quickly as possible

With that said I can see the AFL handing down it's punishment to the AFC, Kurt and his Management and then look into Sydney's role into the saga as a secondary investigation

 

[Tex200]

It's worse than that, it seems we would have done pick 23. Its them forcing us to take White and his contract which screwed it all up. Forcing us into such a position wouldn't have happened if they weren't aware of the clause. Hence they are implicated in draft/trade tampering.

I would love to know how much heat the Tippetts have placed on Sydney for being pricks.

This was the issue which really got me narked and it was confirmed in Caro's article yesterday. If we take her word the only thing that stopped the trade was Sydney refusing to give up 23 without us taking White and his salary. So not only unders but a fine of sorts and assisting them fit Tippett in their own cap...extraordinary!!!

 

[Moonwatcher]

This was the issue which really got me narked and it was confirmed in Caro's article yesterday. If we take her word the only thing that stopped the trade was Sydney refusing to give up 23 without us taking White and his salary. So not only unders but a fine of sorts and assisting them fit Tippett in their own cap...extraordinary!!!

Since taking White was not part of the contract, we haven't even breached it and Tippett has no grief against the AFC :O

 

[Woodie99]

This was the issue which really got me narked and it was confirmed in Caro's article yesterday. If we take her word the only thing that stopped the trade was Sydney refusing to give up 23 without us taking White and his salary. So not only unders but a fine of sorts and assisting them fit Tippett in their own cap...extraordinary!!!

One minute this board is saying that 23 + White wouldn't have got past the AFL, now your saying we stuffed up the trade because of that & AFC would have accepted 23 alone. From what I understand AFC accepted White & he was on his way to sign the papers when the AFC pulled the pin & fessed up.

If White was the problem Sydney would've taken him off the table & looked elsewhere to trade him as he requested a trade.

 

[Super sub]

The draft tampering rules are, I think, pretty broad.

If they knew about the agreement and were complicit in using it to effect the trade then they may well be implicated. The smart thing to do, if they really wanted him that badly, would have been to ignore the agreement, encourage Tippett to talk to other clubs, get a feel for what was being offered, then give something in the ball park.

If there was an ageement, if they knew about it, and if they were relying upon it to ensure Tippett did not go to another club, how are they any less complicit than Tippett who was relying on it for the very same result?

Everyone knew about the agreement. Caro wrote about it 12 months earlier and a CEO and a list manager would not have missed that piece of news.

However having said that knowing that there is an agreement and knowing all of the details so as to use it to your advantage are two things. The alf would need to prove that Sydney knew about the specifics of the agreement and then used them to their advantage. Sydney would argue that Tippett nominated them and them only so they did not need to offer anymore than 23. They would also argue that 23 and white is better than 23.

Now if in there dealings with Adelaide the swans mentioned the agreement of if tippets management tell the afl that the swans were informed of it the they are gone. And will get there right wack. No argument, you break the rules you cop the punishment.

But it can't just be "they must have known". We all think they probably did, but the afl must have proof.

 

[Crow-eater]

Right now I don't know what's worse

This whole situation, Or Disney buying Lucasfilm and bringing out a new Star Wars Trilogy

 

[Elite Crow]

One minute this board is saying that 23 + White wouldn't have got past the AFL, now your saying we stuffed up the trade because of that & AFC would have accepted 23 alone. From what I understand AFC accepted White & he was on his way to sign the papers when the AFC pulled the pin & fessed up.

If White was the problem Sydney would've taken him off the table & looked elsewhere to trade him as he requested a trade.

Once we fessed up you had a week to trade White and off load his contract, why didnt you? No takers? What you understand and what you want to believe are 2 different things.

 

[Woodie99]

Everyone knew about the agreement. Caro wrote about it 12 months earlier and a CEO and a list manager would not have missed that piece of news.

However having said that knowing that there is an agreement and knowing all of the details so as to use it to your advantage are two things. The alf would need to prove that Sydney knew about the specifics of the agreement and then used them to their advantage. Sydney would argue that Tippett nominated them and them only so they did not need to offer anymore than 23. They would also argue that 23 and white is better than 23.

Now if in there dealings with Adelaide the swans mentioned the agreement of if tippets management tell the afl that the swans were informed of it the they are gone. And will get there right wack. No argument, you break the rules you cop the punishment.

But it can't just be "they must have known". We all think they probably did, but the afl must have proof.

Agree, also pick 23+White is better that a second round pick, so how were they holding the AFC to the agreement?

 

[Woodie99]

Once we fessed up you had a week to trade White and off load his contract, why didnt you? No takers? What you understand and what you want to believe are 2 different things.

Once the AFL knew it was game over. Sydney & Adealide were told NO TRADE by the AFL on the 23rd.

 

[Super sub]

Once we fessed up you had a week to trade White and off load his contract, why didnt you? No takers? What you understand and what you want to believe are 2 different things.

We needed white to be part of the Tippett deal because we had already delisted Seaby. To offload white and then not get Tippett would have left us very short in the ruck. We were trying to kill two birds with one stone. If you had taken 23 for Tippett then there would have been a concerted effort to trade white. I think he would have gone, maybe a pick 70 or 80.