Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Vader]

C'mon Vader, what do you think the meant?

BTW I should report you for "Post Necrophilia", the post you quoted was almost 100 pages ago.

I'm still working my way back through the backlog. Only 60 pages to go now and I'll be up to date in this thread.

I hate thread necrophilia, but sometimes there are some posts you get to and they're just crying out for a response. Even if it wasn't yours, it would have been someone else's on the very same topic.

 

[jenny61_99]

Finally Triggy get's to have a nice long holiday in the south of France

Why dont you rejoice at another man's demise. Well done you.

 

[Vader]

It was not ambiguous.

Arranging for an AFC sponsor to pay a couple of players six figure salaries without any requirement to provide their services to the business. Paying this under the table and not informing the AFL is not ambiguous.

You still haven't answered the question Jenny, have you looked ST in the eye and asked if this happened?

What are you going on about? Your description here is nothing like what has been suggested anywhere in the previous 23800+ posts in this thread. I strongly suspect that you're making stuff up again (or it just "as usual")?

 

[Sanders]

Why dont you rejoice at another man's demise. Well done you.

The club is greater than the individual, and my concern is for the former.

If your loyalty is more to the man than the club that's ok too, many feel differently though

 

[Schulzycrow]

lol, this is the second time (that i've noticed anyway) that you have referred to your avatar as how you feel. random...

Sums up this whole mess pretty nicely I thought. AFC management Kurt Tippett...triple facepalm is probably not enough.
We still haven't learnt after 24K+ of posts...not to believe everything that is written. Something that I have learnt to my embarrassment.
Probably some truth to some of it, but let's wait until we know you know...the facts before flaming each other down in flames as fun as it is.

Edit...Must say the poll attached to this Pulitzer is the funniest thing at last count 58 Power Supporters want us banned for the season.

 

[juzzo]

alex_is_on_fire replaces MickyCrow on the chopping block.
<20k -magtrev
20-21k -fabs33
21-22k -xchadders
22-23k - Juzzo
23-24k -MickyCrow
24-25k -alex_is_on_fire
25-26k -realslimshady2
26-27k -n4sir
27-28k -Stripple
28-29k -SpeciousArgument
>30k -bjn1960
never -JP Sauce

 

[bjn1960]

Can we please stop "calling out" fellow posters whenever a news article, or hell, even an AFL ruling indicates that their support was unfounded? It's childish and kind of pathetic, really. It's one thing to use the articles as evidence when you're having a debate, it's another thing again to simply post "HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES POSTER X". Cut it out, everyone.

As for Quayle's article, I thought it was easily the best written on the topic to date. Filled with facts, and the parts that are not confirmed yet are clearly indicated as such. If the accusations made in that article are accurate, then all three of Harper, Trigg and Reid will face penalties - Harper the most lenient of the three.

Chapman won't have any issues, nor should he. I still haven't seen any evidence that he was aware that this was going on, and it's not reasonable to expect him to have known. What is reasonable is for us to conduct a pretty rigorous search for replacements. Simply promoting from within isn't going to cut it this time.

I'm really hoping the proposed punishment of missing out on good picks in the next two drafts is journalistic license, it seems a mile too harsh. I guess we'll find out soon enough!

Well put Stabby, particularly, the moderator bits.

 

[jenny61_99]

The club is greater than the individual, and my concern is for the former.

If your loyalty is more to the man than the club that's ok too, many feel differently though

No, my loyalty is ALWAYS to the Club. But I think it is truly poor form to be celebrating someone's misfortune - particularly someone that has done so much positive for this Club over the years.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Firstly, not sure what people are carrying on about.... again, EQ's article is nothing we haven't already heard before in some form or another.
Secondly, someone at AFL house has got a big mouth and there should be questions as to who is supplying this info. To detailed for someone to be joining the dots. Questions need to be asked and answered by Vlad. There is a leak and it must be coming from AFL house.

What? Some of that info hasn't been reported before, as far as I know. Has BACCS hacked your account?

As supporters of the AFC, I reckon any possible leaks from within the AFL are the last thing we should be worried about at the moment.

 

[Truck Rutten]

The leak is the least of our problem

Amen.

 

[bjn1960]

Yep, it's just me who rates Emma and thinks Rucci is a dick. I bet before she broke this story you thought she was ok. Some of you are hanging her for spilling the beans on our cheating, stupidity and incompetence. Your mate woody questioned whether I was an adult, well I think it's you lot that need to grow up and stop living in a world where Santa still exists.

For what it's worth, Emma Quayle articles are generally of good journalistic merit and certainly nothing like Ruccis. But that just an opinion - mine in fact.

 

[bjn1960]

Finally Triggy get's to have a nice long holiday in the south of France

AFGM - why do you need to be so disparaging with your remarks?

 

[FR0GGY]

No, my loyalty is ALWAYS to the Club. But I think it is truly poor form to be celebrating someone's misfortune - particularly someone that has done so much positive for this Club over the years.

Jenny can you remember what Trigg was like around the time of the alleged deal?

 

[Vader]

If Emma's account is accurate, Sydney should be investigated for draft tampering.

They were holding you to ransom. Dodgy as all hell.

I cannot understand for the life of me how they have gone so long without being charged as well as Adelaide. It is clear as day that they not only knew about the illegal contract, but sought to take advantage of it. How they came about that information is largely irrelevant - Ireland's daughter works for Velocity and Ireland himself was previously an employee at Velocity. It's most likely that Blucher gave him the information directly, but it may have come through his daughter.

Either way, Sydney's conduct in this affair has been nothing short of disgraceful. They have clearly engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the draft. Their culpability isn't as great as Adelaide's (nowhere near it), but there is no way on earth that they should be escaping scot free.

At the very least they need to be banned from signing Tippett for a minimum of 3 years. If there were any natural justice, they too would be looking at losing draft picks in the 2013 ND.

 

[Vader]

Not willing to concede that I may not have been totally deluded over the last 4 months?

Maintain the rage jumboprince.

Dude, you've thrown so much mud over the last 6 months that some of it was bound to stick in the right place. I wouldn't be patting yourself on the back, given that 90% of the crap you've written has been proven to be rubbish, leading directly to your self-imposed exile when he announced he was going to Sydney. Such a pity you chose to return, the forum is worse off for your decision to backflip.

 

[Sanders]

No, my loyalty is ALWAYS to the Club. But I think it is truly poor form to be celebrating someone's misfortune - particularly someone that has done so much positive for this Club over the years.

To be fair all this positive seems to be anecdotal? I just don't see why its so difficult to outline his achievements & successes.

I say this because it keeps getting said, but there is never much provided when queried?

Honestly I'd like to know, if you can help that would be appreciated.

The ledger against is well documented, what is the ledger for (not counting just generally ticking over)

 

[whatboutbob]

I cannot understand for the life of me how they have gone so long without being charged as well as Adelaide.

I suspect they haven't been silly enough to put anything in writing, nor invited the AFL in to go through all their correspondence...

That's what I find so bloody confusing about the Crows' behaviour in all this. Did they seriously underestimate the strife they were in when they invited the AFL to look through their books? Or had they just resigned themselves to coming clean? Or did they just have their bluff called? Either way, if Quayle is to be believed (and I for one, do), it doesn't look like it'll end well for them.

 

[Truck Rutten]

In the last 50 pages in this thread she has been compared to Rucci by multiple posters, but that still misses my point.

As hard as you try, name calling doesnt strengthen yours.

If one of us was to be accused of making things up it would have to be you, as ive reserved judgement without knowing facts while youve claimed to know the truth based on a bunch of assumptions. fantasy land is your domain my friend.

Yep, by a handful of apologists who don't want to believe that there might be any truth in what she's written, because it's damaging to their beloved Crows. So they shoot the messenger instead.

 

[Vader]

I think EQ's article is well written and laid out. It details the timeline, though it contains relatively new information (other than the salary cap discussions involving Harper which hadn't previously seen the light of day). Only and idiot would disparage such a fine piece of journalism. Rucci has never come up with anything this good or important in his entire career of muck raking.

 

[BrissyCrow]

I cannot understand for the life of me how they have gone so long without being charged as well as Adelaide. It is clear as day that they not only knew about the illegal contract, but sought to take advantage of it. How they came about that information is largely irrelevant - Ireland's daughter works for Velocity and Ireland himself was previously an employee at Velocity. It's most likely that Blucher gave him the information directly, but it may have come through his daughter.

Either way, Sydney's conduct in this affair has been nothing short of disgraceful. They have clearly engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the draft. Their culpability isn't as great as Adelaide's (nowhere near it), but there is no way on earth that they should be escaping scot free.

At the very least they need to be banned from signing Tippett for a minimum of 3 years. If there were any natural justice, they too would be looking at losing draft picks in the 2013 ND.

Lets say that Sydney dont even get a mention after Friday hearing. As I agree that Sydney are up to their neck in it what can be done to have them held accountable. Or is it simply a fact that us supports get absuolutely no say in the game. How can we make Sydney accountable?

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Lets say that Sydney dont even get a mention after Friday hearing. As I agree that Sydney are up to their neck in it what can be done to have them held accountable. Or is it simply a fact that us supports get absuolutely no say in the game. How can we make Sydney accountable?

In 'space' no-one can hear us scream. The only way, I'm afraid, we can exact any sort of payback to Sydney will be on the football field. Something we've been able to do pretty well over the last 22 years against them (22 wins, 11 losses). The finals' loss still hurts, though.

 

[BrissyCrow]

Can we please stop "calling out" fellow posters whenever a news article, or hell, even an AFL ruling indicates that their support was unfounded? It's childish and kind of pathetic, really. It's one thing to use the articles as evidence when you're having a debate, it's another thing again to simply post "HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES POSTER X". Cut it out, everyone.

As for Quayle's article, I thought it was easily the best written on the topic to date. Filled with facts, and the parts that are not confirmed yet are clearly indicated as such. If the accusations made in that article are accurate, then all three of Harper, Trigg and Reid will face penalties - Harper the most lenient of the three.

Chapman won't have any issues, nor should he. I still haven't seen any evidence that he was aware that this was going on, and it's not reasonable to expect him to have known. What is reasonable is for us to conduct a pretty rigorous search for replacements. Simply promoting from within isn't going to cut it this time.

I'm really hoping the proposed punishment of missing out on good picks in the next two drafts is journalistic license, it seems a mile too harsh. I guess we'll find out soon enough!

I agree that missing two more years is excessive. If we miss out on the 2013 draft and take into consideration what we have lost already plus a fine that should be it. However if we have actually exceeded the Salary Cap (at this stage everyone believes we never exceeded the cap) then I think we will get hit for two more years. So right at this point in time I will held back the feelings that are building up inside until I hear the full story.

 

[macca23]

I have to say that reading those recent articles by Emma Q has shattered my dreams of us getting away with a comparatively light sentence.

I had previously had to accept that we were guilty of the draft tampering charge because of the clearance clause in the exchange of mail. Also the charge under the salary caps of not including guaranteed 3rd party deals

Based on this, the optimist in me thought that as punishment we just might get away with the draft picks surrendered this year, the loss of Tippett and a huge fine around $400k some of which may or may not be suspended.

Presuming that Emma is 100% correct in her reporting, and it appears that she has been briefed well by her source which is likely to be the AFL, the whole deal while basically still relateing to those 2 charges has a lot of dirty dealing and internal slyness that looks so horrible in print.

If we admitting to all of that Emma has said, then we are a club disgraced, and we will get our arses walloped. Chapman either sold us a pup or has been deceived by Trigg's guarantee when he said that he could give us supporters a gold plated guarantee that the AFL could look as much as it like without finding anything else. As it turns out there has been a fair bit of skullduggery going on to cover up the Tippett clause and clearance guarantee, and the AFL (and Emma)seem to know all of this.

As suggested we will surely lose our 1st & 2 round pick in 2013.

If the AFL are really contemplating the loss of draft picks in 2014 as well, then hopefully they will make this penalty along with a chunk of the financial penalty being suspended, subject to our good behaviour in all areas during this period.

 

[feenix67]

Lets say that Sydney dont even get a mention after Friday hearing. As I agree that Sydney are up to their neck in it what can be done to have them held accountable. Or is it simply a fact that us supports get absuolutely no say in the game. How can we make Sydney accountable?

Last time I checked, Sydney were essentially run by the AFL.... you want the AFL to sanction itself?

 

[cmndstab]

I think the only fair punishment would be for the AFL to force us to trade Trigg to Sydney in exchange for their first round draft pick next year. Jesse White takes over as our CEO.