To All EFC Members wanting to challenge the board to have Sheed's reinstated.....

[Don Envy]

And why do you have to be so abusive to others simply because they don't agree with YOU! You sound more like the type of supporter you're trying to tell (force) us not to be with your language.

Apart from great coaching, I believe the time with Sheedy has been one of elevating Essendon to one of (if not the) premier club in the comp. We've been innovative with things that have been copied by other clubs as well as being a class club - that is, rarely if ever are our players the ones in the headlines for public fighting, drug taking etc. It is NO coincidence that is has co-incided with the time that Sheedy has been here. So, as I said, there is more than just a coach at stake and, IF there was something obviously better, I'd say fine let's do it, but it's ludicrous to do it JUST because we CAN do it.

Isn't it ironic, that all the great things about our club that many are pleading not to give up, have been brought about during the time of the man your ready to dump - for no good reason?

Apologies for the abusive language, was unneccessary in hindsight, it was my way of letting off some steam.

I was feeling quite angry at the time as all day I was trying to argue that such action as calling EGM's, etc, was only going to damage the club. Then on the way home listening to the radio was hearing supporters calling up and again ripping into the board. These callers were followed by supporters of other clubs ringing up and basically laughing at us as we were always the almighty strong off field club and now we've turned on it ourselves, which is exactly what I feared would happen.

 

[DarthTed]

The constitution allows a petition of members to demand an EGM then raise a vote of no confidence in the board's leadership. The board was elected to make decisions - this is true - and the members have the right - the right! - to challange said decisions.

If the Essendon board has done the right thing by the club, it has nothing to fear from an EGM and vote of no confidence. It will be voted back in and a mandate established to backup the concept that not renewing KS was the right move.

If they have done the wrong thing by the club? Thats what the mechanism is there for - to allow the membership to throw them out, between AGMs if neccessary.

The right.....not the obligation. It's not something that has to be done just because some people don't like a decision that was made. Having an EGM will cost the club money unnecessarily and, more importantly, has the potential to destabilise the club and make it a less attractive option for potential coaches.

 

[DarthTed]

Michael Voss would be the absolute worst candidate for the coaching job @ Essendon

And your detailed inside knowledge comes from where? You have no idea what Voss can bring to the table and how the football department would be structured if he was given the job. You could be right but you really don't have any facts to back up your statement.

 

[Don Envy]

Good on you mate dont pick on Richmond Sheedy has been great for you guys have some respect

Sorry Woody, I used Richmond as an example as they and Carlton are probably the two most recent examples of clubs that have had instances of infighting and breakaway groups which can cause damage detrimental to the off field stability of the club.

I just wanted to highlight that I did not want the events of the last week turning into something we've seen at Tigerland and Carlton in recent times.

I do have respect for Richmond, especially their supporters who have had to put up with 25 years of non-success, we've had to put up with it for 4 years and it's driving me nuts!

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

ESSENDON coach Kevin Sheedy said yesterday that there was no going back, that the decision made by the Dons last week to end his remarkable 27-year tenure at the season's end could not be allowed to splinter or factionalise the club.
As the semblance of a grass-roots campaign to reinstate Sheedy was beginning to take shape, the four-time premiership coach said "it was time to move on" and he did not want to see any of the strength of the club he was instrumental in developing diminished.
"The hard part in the end is that there will always be people who hate the decision but there are enough people in our footy club, (managing director) Peter Jackson has the smarts, to make that decision. That's his job," Sheedy said.
"And right now, mine is to coach a team into the finals. So, forget about the other stuff. That's not where we need to be. I've got to get (James) Hird and (Matthew) Lloyd and (Dustin) Fletcher and Mal Michael, blokes who've been around a while, into the finals. That is where we need to be.
"Please, can I and the team just focus on the present, not the past, and Bomber fans stay with us."
Sheedy said it was one of his proudest achievements to see Essendon's membership approach 40,000 and the club build in his time an imposing national profile. Putting that in jeopardy with a squabble would be, he said, regrettable. Later, in a statement released on the club website, Sheedy added: "I have heard some members suggest they want to cut up their membership and will stop supporting the club but I sincerely hope that is not the case.
"I appreciate their support but together we have worked hard to make this a great club and I hope all Essendon fans remain faithful to the club.
"As I said at my press conference the other day, it has been a wonderful 27 years for myself and the club. It has been a great partnership but it is time to move on."
Essendon chairman Ray Horsburgh said the controversy that has surrounded the decision not to renew Sheedy's contract had been anticipated.
"One of Kevin's greatest strengths has been his ability to connect with the fans and we understand some supporters will feel very strongly about this," Horsburgh said.

 

[DarthTed]

I am an unabashd Sheedy fan and find it interesting that we could have had this exact same discussion back at the end of 1997 when blood was being called for - and would have possibly missed 2000!

We may also have gotten 2000 and a couple of others as well, hypotheticals can work both ways.

 

[TheMagicRat]

And your detailed inside knowledge comes from where? You have no idea what Voss can bring to the table and how the football department would be structured if he was given the job. You could be right but you really don't have any facts to back up your statement.

Yes I do have facts to back that up. He is an unsavoury character who I believe lacks the maturity to be a senior coach @ AFL level. There have been a number of incidents, not least of which is his involvement in a pub brawl (he was caught on camera - so its not alleged). This alone makes him unfit to guide young men into the next stage of their lives let alone their football careers!

 

[DarthTed]

Yes I do have facts to back that up. He is an unsavoury character who I believe lacks the maturity to be a senior coach @ AFL level. There have been a number of incidents, not least of which is his involvement in a pub brawl (he was caught on camera - so its not alleged). This alone makes him unfit to guide young men into the next stage of their lives let alone their football careers!

Would you like to list some of these other incidents that he has been involved in? I'm not saying there hasn't been any but I'm not aware of them, other than the pub incident of course.

 

[Longy413]

The Board have made a decsion that rejects the accidental coaching that sometimes pays off, in contrast to your -they can do no wrong attitude.

I get it, the coaching group do something poorly and they aren't up to it.
They do something positive, it's accidental.

That's not being succinct. That's being subjective.

I don't know if you realise it, but you have just about written Sheedys epitaph with some of those other comments. Mark Johnson to the forward line was a move, as many would concur, about 18 months too late, and you so readily hand out the accolade, that I alluded to in a previous post.

Richie Cole was recruited to release Mark Johnson.
You, like many others have been justified in the disapproval of recruiting Cole. But what you are saying here contradicts just that.

Mark Johnson playing back has also released Mark McVeigh.
I take it you haven't been pleased with his form?

And you omitted to mention the best of all, Mr. Surly Supecharger. Poor old Kepler Bradley just wanted one more chance at a career at Windy Hill, and they played him in the back line.

Yep, bad move.
Although Bradley didn't have a goal kicked on him.

Validated to some extent by the goings on of Sunday? Most definitely.

We won and we're in the 8.

No coach has a flawless game. Lombardi made mistakes, Ferguson made mistakes, Sheedy makes mistakes.

If you're seeking perfection from a coach you're never going to be satisfied. Players turn the ball over, coaches make bad decisions. Sheedy over his tenure has made many, many more good ones than bad ones.

And there is a lot more that the members will never know.

Yeah, but I guess you could always continue to just guess.

 

[stander]

I get it, the coaching group do something poorly and they aren't up to it.
They do something positive, it's accidental.

That's not being succinct. That's being subjective.

Richie Cole was recruited to release Mark Johnson.
You, like many others have been justified in the disapproval of recruiting Cole. But what you are saying here contradicts just that.

Mark Johnson playing back has also released Mark McVeigh.
I take it you haven't been pleased with his form?

Yep, bad move.
Although Bradley didn't have a goal kicked on him.

We won and we're in the 8.

No coach has a flawless game. Lombardi made mistakes, Ferguson made mistakes, Sheedy makes mistakes.

If you're seeking perfection from a coach you're never going to be satisfied. Players turn the ball over, coaches make bad decisions. Sheedy over his tenure has made many, many more good ones than bad ones.

Yeah, but I guess you could always continue to just guess.

And Mark Johnson was our only option down back- I'm tempted to labour the other points but will refrain, its futile with you. - the consolation is we won't have a drink over it.

And don't speculate.

 

[Longy413]

And Mark Johnson was our only option down back

No, there was Kepler Bradley.

I'm tempted to labour the other points but will refrain, its futile with you.

Or because you're out of your depth?

the consolation is we won't have a drink over it.

Oh, so that's all this is?

You want to ask me out?

 

[stander]

You want to ask me out?

No thanks , I'm not into EFC groupies

 

[Longy413]

No thanks , I'm not into EFC groupies

Please.

I buy my membership and go to the footy.
I've been to the odd B&F and James Hird's testimonial.

Hardly a groupy.

 

[eb075]

We may also have gotten 2000 and a couple of others as well, hypotheticals can work both ways.

Yeah, but the point is, we kept him at a low point and we went on to build another team, so why dump him now when this year shows the rebuilding has strted again. Actually, he did it twice!

 

[eb075]

Apologies for the abusive language, was unneccessary in hindsight, it was my way of letting off some steam.

I was feeling quite angry at the time as all day I was trying to argue that such action as calling EGM's, etc, was only going to damage the club. Then on the way home listening to the radio was hearing supporters calling up and again ripping into the board. These callers were followed by supporters of other clubs ringing up and basically laughing at us as we were always the almighty strong off field club and now we've turned on it ourselves, which is exactly what I feared would happen.

Accepted ... I know it's an emotional issue

 

[stander]

Please.

I buy my membership and go to the footy.
I've been to the odd B&F and James Hird's testimonial.

Hardly a groupy.

A little coy perhaps ?

 

[DarthTed]

Yeah, but the point is, we kept him at a low point and we went on to build another team, so why dump him now when this year shows the rebuilding has strted again. Actually, he did it twice!

Because the board wants a coach that will grow with the team and they don't think Sheeds is that man.

 

[jules101]

Anyone hear the idiot on sen this morning who thinks that 70% of the club is behind their stupid supporter group. ****ing ********

 

[Minglis]

Anyone hear the idiot on sen this morning who thinks that 70% of the club is behind their stupid supporter group. ****ing ********

The group claimed to have handed out 500 flyers at Ess vs Adelaide and got back 300.

What they didnt make clear is if all those 300 had "yes, I would spill the board" checked... or not.

If they were... thats 60%.

Dont mistake the fact that the majority view of this forum (and its ~30 regular contributors) supports the board's decision means that the majority of Essendon's membership does. Your looking at a very small, very dedicated cross section of the supporter base on this forum. Even here, support for the board is more related to club stability than any agreement that "it was time" for Sheeds to go.

 

[jules101]

The group claimed to have handed out 500 flyers at Ess vs Adelaide and got back 300.

What they didnt make clear is if all those 300 had "yes, I would spill the board" checked... or not.

If they were... thats 60%.

Dont mistake the fact that the majority view of this forum (and its ~30 regular contributors) supports the board's decision means that the majority of Essendon's membership does. Your looking at a very small, very dedicated cross section of the supporter base on this forum. Even here, support for the board is more related to club stability than any agreement that "it was time" for Sheeds to go.

And 500 people is any different? There would be 500 Essendon posters on here and There would be a 80% majority that they dont want to over throw the board.

 

[Minglis]

Id be stunned if there were 500 regular posters (threads a week old are on page 2. gg), and suprised if 80% of any number here support the board right now.

 

[ant555]

The group claimed to have handed out 500 flyers at Ess vs Adelaide and got back 300.

What they didnt make clear is if all those 300 had "yes, I would spill the board" checked... or not.

If they were... thats 60%.

Dont mistake the fact that the majority view of this forum (and its ~30 regular contributors) supports the board's decision means that the majority of Essendon's membership does. Your looking at a very small, very dedicated cross section of the supporter base on this forum. Even here, support for the board is more related to club stability than any agreement that "it was time" for Sheeds to go.

Yes but how many members refused to take the flyers , i know i did and i saw a lot more who wouldnt take one as well. I would say that the results of 500 flyers represents a very small part of the membership group as well.
This whole EGM is hardly worth it anyway , by time it is set up and the challenge is announced you have to give the voting members 2 months notice of the candidates involved. By time the board is overthrown Sheedy could very well have been appointed coach of another club and we will have appointed a new coach.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

anyone who starts to claim statistics on the % of people who are in favour due to that survey are seriously deluded and show their total lack of any statistical knowledge.

handing out surveys face to face - while a crowd is walking to the gorund - is so biased it's not funny.

The type of people who will take the flyer are already more likely inclined to vote yes, secondly - who will those handing it out target -those they think they can get the right vote from.

ordinary.

 

[Don Envy]

anyone who starts to claim statistics on the % of people who are in favour due to that survey are seriously deluded and show their total lack of any statistical knowledge.

handing out surveys face to face - while a crowd is walking to the gorund - is so biased it's not funny.

The type of people who will take the flyer are already more likely inclined to vote yes, secondly - who will those handing it out target -those they think they can get the right vote from.

ordinary.

From what I can gather, the majority of those who want Sheed's to stay would fall into the 'older' supporters', probably in the 50+ age category. They've spent the majority of their adult life following the Bombers with Sheed's at the helm and are happy for that to continue. Traditionally older people are less receptive to change.

Most posters on this forum wouldn't fall into the +50 age category and have a lot of years of following the Bombers in front of them and are more receptive to change, especially when the results of this change are more likely to have more long term, sustained effects, rather than only a short term outlook with not too much foresight into the post Lloyd, Lucas and Fletch era.

 

[SOT4]

There's a difference between disliking the boards actions and wanting an EGM. I for one am not impressed with the board at the moment as they don't seem to have much direction or a clear plan for Sheedys succession. However, an EGM would have little result and would destablise the club. I highly doubt more than 50% of members woudl be that short sighted that they didn't realise that. Its all a beat up from Robinson and Smith in the media.