Tom Boyd

[NathanMX]

You're not calming down...

This is not good for you.

And you live in a pessimistic world without humour so looks like we are both ****** then hey

Perhaps Boristown is your multi?

 

[joop]

Surely people have to stop judging him on his marks/goal tally?
He's being moulded into the fwd/ruck roll that Tippet plays?

 

[GetDimmaBack]

And you live in a pessimistic world without humour so looks like we are both ****** then hey

Perhaps Boristown is your multi?

I give up.

 

[doggies ftw]

Surely people have to stop judging him on his marks/goal tally?
He's being moulded into the fwd/ruck roll that Tippet plays?

For now yes. Gets him involved in the game a bit more, helps build his small tank and just adds a bit of versatility to his game. Id suspect eventually he will shift into a pretty much full time forward role with maybe just very short stints in the ruck every now and then. We want him forward as much as possible as the team functions much better with him down there.

 

[joop]

For now yes. Gets him involved in the game a bit more, helps build his small tank and just adds a bit of versatility to his game. Id suspect eventually he will shift into a pretty much full time forward role with maybe just very short stints in the ruck every now and then. We want him forward as much as possible as the team functions much better with him down there.

Personally can't see him becoming a dominant forward that you guys would need. Mind you I haven't watched a heap of you guys play.

 

[BRWB]

Personally can't see him becoming a dominant forward that you guys would need. Mind you I haven't watched a heap of you guys play.

You'll get a chance next week. Should be a good game. Saints seem to be going alright. Gresham looks a good player - impressive.

Sounds crap for his wage but for now Boyd offers a contest for a long ball fwd and plays a bit of ruck. He draws attention and that can free up our other fwds.

He's only 20 and should develop into something like Hawkins or Tippett IMO.

 

[joop]

You'll get a chance next week. Should be a good game. Saints seem to be going alright. Gresham looks a good player - impressive.

Sounds crap for his wage but for now Boyd offers a contest for a long ball fwd and plays a bit of ruck. He draws attention and that can free up our other fwds.

He's only 20 and should develop into something like Hawkins or Tippett IMO.

We've got a very small backline so he could be in for a day out.

 

[TedDougChris]

Surely people have to stop judging him on his marks/goal tally?
He's being moulded into the fwd/ruck roll that Tippet plays?

The more miles he can get into his legs the better. Dont care if he cant run out a full game now, but as gets more experience and strength - that frame will be useful later and later in games.... As the old cliché goes, the big blokes don't get any smaller as the game goes on....

He'll probably never earn the wage he is paid, but we've lacked a true bail out kick option for too long - hopefully we no longer lack that when the finals start....

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Never seen fans of any other club focus so heavily on the negative I say and totally ignore the positive. You mob are insane starting with your King MoC.....

And if everyone is so happy about Boyds contract why was Lin Jong touring Collingwood? Heck if it is such a perfect world there why would he ever leave the place?

I have wished your mob plenty of luck, instead you have to be dumb pricks and focus only on the negative.

Because Lin Jong is a good ordinary footballer who has been told he is welcome to look elsewhere.

 

[cecil]

Never seen fans of any other club focus so heavily on the negative I say and totally ignore the positive. You mob are insane starting with your King MoC.....

And if everyone is so happy about Boyds contract why was Lin Jong touring Collingwood? Heck if it is such a perfect world there why would he ever leave the place?

I have wished your mob plenty of luck, instead you have to be dumb pricks and focus only on the negative.

That's probably more to do with game time more than anything. He's got games this year but only through injury. Clearly not best 22. Most on our board are happy to see him leave seeing we should get an okay pick for him.

 

[stringertheking]

I am not to sure why everyone hates Tom Boyd? At the end of the day its because everyone is scared deep down good luck stopping Boyd and Stringer in a few years.

 

[coniglio_number1]

I am not to sure why everyone hates Tom Boyd? At the end of the day its because everyone is scared deep down good luck stopping Boyd and Stringer in a few years.

I don't think people hate him.

Just judging him by his wage as opposed to his actual performance. Scully had to deal with this as well but has now stepped up to the plate. Sure he isn't worth $1mil pa but that was the price it took to get him

 

[Scotland]

Scully gets a small amount of 'well they had to pay someone' leeway. Boyd doesn't. With Griffen leaving it was either pay the current list more and hope to go after someone else in a future trade period or use the cap space to try and make the best of a bad situation.

If it's actually $1m p.a. over the course of the contract then it is overs for Boyd even as a highly rated #1 pick but it's not $1m p.a. overs as some would suggest. Boyd at the end of 2015 would've been the subject of a bidding war and clubs would've been offering $5-600k+ (at least) long term deals to try and get him. And if not him, Patton. The Dogs just got in early. There's a reason clubs were trying to pry the #1 pick from GWS in 2013.

Risky play no doubt, but it hasn't cost them any other young guns and they managed to poach Suckling in the off season so money can't be that tight. I choose to look at it as the Dogs getting their man a year early and Boyd getting a big fat sign on bonus. If he never turns out as good as people think then it sucks to be the Dogs who are stuck with him for another 4 years but if they'd been bent over by GWS for Griffen and Boyd joined Carlton or whoever in 2015 people would just be saying 'why didn't they go after Boyd last year when they had currency?'.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Scully gets a small amount of 'well they had to pay someone' leeway. Boyd doesn't. With Griffen leaving it was either pay the current list more and hope to go after someone else in a future trade period or use the cap space to try and make the best of a bad situation.

If it's actually $1m p.a. over the course of the contract then it is overs for Boyd even as a highly rated #1 pick but it's not $1m p.a. overs as some would suggest. Boyd at the end of 2015 would've been the subject of a bidding war and clubs would've been offering $5-600k+ (at least) long term deals to try and get him. And if not him, Patton. The Dogs just got in early. There's a reason clubs were trying to pry the #1 pick from GWS in 2013.

Risky play no doubt, but it hasn't cost them any other young guns and they managed to poach Suckling in the off season so money can't be that tight. I choose to look at it as the Dogs getting their man a year early and Boyd getting a big fat sign on bonus. If he never turns out as good as people think then it sucks to be the Dogs who are stuck with him for another 4 years but if they'd been bent over by GWS for Griffen and Boyd joined Carlton or whoever in 2015 people would just be saying 'why didn't they go after Boyd last year when they had currency?'.

People forget the depths of despair the club and its supporters were feeling at that time. The ray of sunshine that the media release stating Boyd had requested a trade shone on everyone associated with the club was blinding. I'm his biggest fan and am 100% sure he becomes a gun, but what he represented to us, and to the rest of the AFL community, at the time was worth it. I'd rather be bold and fail than be timid and guaranteed to fail. Do you realise what a shocking position we'd be in if we only had Redpath as a key forward option moving forward?

 

[Scotland]

Redpath > Boyd, just read this thread.

I think Boyd could be a star. Still looks a bit fat and lazy and doesn't have the work rate of a top key forward, but at least isn't out of his depth with the physicality of AFL level by virtue of being a man child. But he's got game. Would benefit from working with someone like Nick Riewoldt or Richo who covered a lot of ground as big forwards (and still do in Roo's case).

Boyd is a minor contributor to the Dogs at this point and they'd still be in finals contention without him, but to have a promising key forward in the same age bracket as Stringer, Bont, Libba etc. is huge.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Redpath > Boyd, just read this thread.

I think Boyd could be a star. Still looks a bit fat and lazy and doesn't have the work rate of a top key forward, but at least isn't out of his depth with the physicality of AFL level by virtue of being a man child. But he's got game. Would benefit from working with someone like Nick Riewoldt or Richo who covered a lot of ground as big forwards (and still do in Roo's case).

Boyd is a minor contributor to the Dogs at this point and they'd still be in finals contention without him, but to have a promising key forward in the same age bracket as Stringer, Bont, Libba etc. is huge.

I agree with everything except the first bit.

 

[Damon_3388]

Do you realise what a shocking position we'd be in if we only had Redpath as a key forward option moving forward?

Stringer wasn't leaving at any stage, was he?

 

[markm106]

I think Boyd was recruited as a key forward and will take time to come on. He's a lump of a kid. Will no doubt pinch hit in the ruck.
I don't think people hate Boyd. It's just what comes with the $$ he earns.

 

[Scotland]

When you are a top earner in the comp being potted comes with the territory, and right now Boyd's in the awkward zone of not coming close to earning his money. And he was a #1 pick. He has time, though.

If/when he starts kicking bags of goals etc. the criticism will die down. If that never happens, it will only get worse. But he'll still have more money than me. Jerk.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Stringer wasn't leaving at any stage, was he?

No, but nor is he a key forward.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I love the double standards when using hindsight when comparing Griffen and Boyd.

Fans of other clubs saying "well who cares if Griffen has been injury interrupted and average in his two years at GWS, and the time he was a lot more valuable at the trade table and had 2 gun years at the Dogs and was your club captain" - ie using the "at the time"/hindsight logic.

But that logic can be equally applied Boyd. I'm still optimistic about his future, but it's amazing how people don't use the same argument for the same time that the Boyd trade was done.

Boyd has been disappointing in his two years on our list, I'm not denying that. But people are awfully forgetful about just how unanimous he was in being the number 1 selection, and that he was pretty much one of the most "sure thing" talents out of U/118 for some time. In fact, a graphic was posted on our board from the AFL Website which recruiters and journalists, in the midst of his U/18 season, was considered a better draft prospect than Patton, Hogan etc.

Does this mean that in a relative sense, his form has been disappointing? Yes. But it also means that you have to look at the context and timing of the trade and the contract that he was offered, and that the contract and trade was only one year removed from him being such an absurdly good U/18 prospect. One year. It's easy to look at him three years on, but that's a lifetime, not one year.

If there was no such thing as a draft, and just a salary cap, and a player sold himself to the highest bidder as an 18 year old, there is no doubt that Boyd would have been handed a $1 million p/y as an 18 year old. They wouldn't three years on, but they would have at the time he was drafted. And Boyd, for a team that had failed for some time to recruit a top key forward, was offered that merely one year on from him being so dominant.

Which is then it frustrates me that the topic of conversation surrounding Griffen and that others are using the argument of "well he was worth more at the time" don't equally apply the logic to Boyd in that he was, too, also worth more at the time given the proximity of timing to his absolutely dominant U/18 form and potential.

Say what ! Did you just say Boyd couldve gotten 1 mill per year straight out of tac cup??
Unproven hasn't played a game in the big time? No offense but that's hilarious .
Pretty obvious Carlton were offering about 800k at the end of Boyds first year so the dogs had to up the ante

 

[TW Sherrin]

People forget the depths of despair the club and its supporters were feeling at that time. The ray of sunshine that the media release stating Boyd had requested a trade shone on everyone associated with the club was blinding. I'm his biggest fan and am 100% sure he becomes a gun, but what he represented to us, and to the rest of the AFL community, at the time was worth it. I'd rather be bold and fail than be timid and guaranteed to fail. Do you realise what a shocking position we'd be in if we only had Redpath as a key forward option moving forward?

mate, a block of chocolate is a cheaper remedy for despair than paying obscene $$ for a kid.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

mate, a block of chocolate is a cheaper remedy for despair than paying obscene $$ for a kid.

Pretty disappointing response

 

[Damon_3388]

No, but nor is he a key forward.

Can we stop pretending already that he is anything other than an athletic, agile key forward? He is not some revolutionary hybrid, and he won't ever be primarily a midfielder, as some people keep insisting upon despite his performances up forward. Given his ability to kick goals and how long the Bulldogs have waited to draft a quality key forward, along with the numerous midfield options they already have, it would be a waste to use Stringer anywhere else but inside the forward 50 for prolonged periods.

Bulldog fans, you've drafted and developed the player you've been crying out for forever. I don't know why you continue to insist on denying it, or want to take him away from what he's best suited for - playing up forward.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Can we stop pretending already that he is anything other than an athletic, agile key forward? He is not some revolutionary hybrid, and he won't ever be primarily a midfielder, as some people keep insisting upon despite his performances up forward. Given his ability to kick goals and how long the Bulldogs have waited to draft a quality key forward, along with the numerous midfield options they already have, it would be a waste to use Stringer anywhere else but inside the forward 50 for prolonged periods.

Bulldog fans, you've drafted and developed the player you've been crying out for forever. I don't know why you continue to insist on denying it, or want to take him away from what he's best suited for - playing up forward.

Your response details how little you understand the subject you're discussing. A key forward is one around who the forward line structures. Cloke is a Key Forward, Lynch is a Key Forward, Kennedy is a Key Forward. Stringer is not, and will never be, a Key Forward. Stringer has unbelievable traits, but 120 minutes of competitiveness is not one.