MRP / Trib. Tom Lynch -How many?

[BomberManU]

lynch should probably retire but this is a farce.

Game is dead and has been for a few years.

You’re a fool if you pay to watch this Showbiz.

I'm sure the game was fine when you won a few Premierships.

 

[TheOptimum18]

This is going to be my biased Richmond supporter post for this thread.

Let's not act like Butts is a complete angel throughout this whole saga either. As far as I can tell, 4 minutes into the game (apparently), Butts wraps Lynch up, Lynch takes a swing at Butts, Butts tries to punch Lynch twice, Lynch throws one back and then the two start wrestling. From then on, Butts clearly trying to not give Lynch space in behind, and Lynch feels he's not been given free kicks for marking interference and stupidly decides to take things into his own hands.

But the lack of furore over Butts swinging fists at Lynch compared to the noise around Lynch is, from a biased Richmond view, astounding.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

AFL 360, if they wanted to, could do a piece today on Cripps having the most throws in AFL football history, and the fans that take their cues from the AFL media would boo the shit out of that illegal stad padder just like they booed Adam Goodes. Unfortunately it's not in the script to call Cripps out for his illegal stats that helped him get 2 Brownlows, but no flags, in fact, is that not the definition of stat padding?

What about Naughton kneeing Vlastuin in the head twice whilst going for marks, do you think that's bad, it has the potential to cause harm does it not?

I remember when Balta kneed a Sydney player in the head once while going for a mark at the SCG, and that player got concussed out of the game. Why was that allowed to go unpunished, while nothing happening gets 5 weeks for what could've happened ?

 

[Purple Suit]

Let's see the holds.

These holds are like the time Crowley pinched Boomer Harvey 300 times but it was so fast, it couldn't be seen on camera.

 

[Andyy]

Saw a ball in dispute which he was always going to be beaten to. He then intentionally tried to smack him, don’t think he intentionally tried to shoulder his head. Got it wrong, got rubbed out. Went very badly and probably could have got another week. The idea that he drove around the field like Mr Burns with a telescopic site on the front of his car looking for a victim to run over was laughable though.

Yeah I don't disagree with what you're saying.

He certainly didn't intend to knock him out and get himself suspended.

I think he intended to smack him as you said, knock the wind out of him.

So it would be reckless, high, severe, and IMO worth 4-6 weeks. He got 4 yeah? I'd have preferred 5+ but I'm not upset about the 4.

 

[Tiger Hombre]

I'll never understand why it's apparently so difficult to say that a player from the club you support did something shit and deserves the punishment that they get for it.

Richmond supporters: He's not your son. It's not costing you a top four berth. Why are you wasting so much time defending him?

As for the punishment itself it was always a case of it being:

Fewer than four: "What an effing joke"
4-6: "Meh"
7+: (whistle)

Five's definitely "meh" range.

I thought Balta should've got suspended when he kneed a Sydney Swans player in the head, concussing him out of the game, just so he could take mark, which he did take. What Balta did had the potential to cause serious damage

 

[Cyclonus]

This is going to be my biased Richmond supporter post for this thread.

Let's not act like Butts is a complete angel throughout this whole saga either. As far as I can tell, 4 minutes into the game (apparently), Butts wraps Lynch up, Lynch takes a swing at Butts, Butts tries to punch Lynch twice, Lynch throws one back and then the two start wrestling. From then on, Butts clearly trying to not give Lynch space in behind, and Lynch feels he's not been given free kicks for marking interference and stupidly decides to take things into his own hands.

But the lack of furore over Butts swinging fists at Lynch compared to the noise around Lynch is, from a biased Richmond view, astounding.

Butts was charged for this, and Lynch was charged for his punches. The one that drew the extra critcism was the big roundarm. I'd be happy to see bans for every incident like in your shared video.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yeah I don't disagree with what you're saying.

He certainly didn't intend to knock him out and get himself suspended.

I think he intended to smack him as you said, knock the wind out of him.

So it would be reckless, high, severe, and IMO worth 4-6 weeks. He got 4 yeah? I'd have preferred 5+ but I'm not upset about the 4.

Yep, basically the old ‘ok I’ll make him earn this one if I can’t get that loose ball and give a good shoulder and make him think twice about the next one.’ It was reckless and really poorly executed and dangerous. He could have done basically the same thing and aimed at his stomach. Lesson learned

 

[Jim Cricket]

Let's see the holds.

You've already seen at least one and if you think I'm going to download the game and spend hours rewatching, cropping and editing a game and posting it in here just to please you you're loony.

 

[Cyclonus]

You've already seen at least one and if you think I'm going to download the game and spend hours rewatching, cropping and editing a game and posting it in here just to please you you're loony.

Okay.

 

[Saint]

This is going to be my biased Richmond supporter post for this thread.

Let's not act like Butts is a complete angel throughout this whole saga either. As far as I can tell, 4 minutes into the game (apparently), Butts wraps Lynch up, Lynch takes a swing at Butts, Butts tries to punch Lynch twice, Lynch throws one back and then the two start wrestling. From then on, Butts clearly trying to not give Lynch space in behind, and Lynch feels he's not been given free kicks for marking interference and stupidly decides to take things into his own hands.

But the lack of furore over Butts swinging fists at Lynch compared to the noise around Lynch is, from a biased Richmond view, astounding.

Butts didn't try, or accidentally, hit Lynch in the head. He was striking the arms holding him.

I agree, though, any punch could do with a fine. Start them at $500 for any other part of the body.

 

[Cyclonus]

Butts didn't try, or accidentally, hit Lynch in the head. He was striking the arms holding him.

I agree, though, any punch could do with a fine. Start them at $500 for any other part of the body.

Butts was fined $1500.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Butts didn't try, or accidentally, hit Lynch in the head. He was striking the arms holding him.

I don't know mate. That second punch looks like inches from Lynch's chin.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Anyway, at least the other 17 clubs are clear.

If Ben Miller scrags and niggles an opposition KPF, according to Tigers supporters it will be totally okay for said KPF to roundhouse him in the head. And Tigers fans will be claiming that it's only a fine or 1-2 weeks maximum because Miller deserved it.

 

[Soggy2112]

Brain injury... Society... You're not being dramatic enough.

I said it looked like a chop, not that he didn't strike him in the head. And the attitude we should be getting out of the game is that it's ok for players to hold other players illegally. Not only does it prevent a player getting to the ball, which should be everyone's goal including the guy doing the holding, it's ugly to watch. The good part is that not many of us think this holding illegally is ok. But yes, no-one should want umpires to do their jobs properly, dunno what I was thinking with that comment. Let's do away with umpires completely.

You said, if the umpire did their job, this wouldn’t have happened.

That statement is a pointless one to make that deflects blame away from Lynch. Players get held off the ball every single week, without resorting to hitting opponents in the head. It is no one’s fault but Tom’s that this happened.

Players should play to the whistle.
Umpires should do their best to adjudicate fairly.
No one punches anyone.

Simples.

If umpires aren’t doing their job effectively we can have a separate conversation about that. But it is completely irrelevant to discussing what Lynch did.

 

[PeterSalt]

2:38 - 4:35

I would have liked to see Ray Chamberlain talk about the two incidents where Lynch does whack Butts. From what he's saying in this period of the video, it does sound like both those incidents would fall under free-kick against Butts category, despite my own understanding of the rules.

I have no problem with Ray doing that analysis

In fairness and in the interests of being non-partial they should've at least covered some other key forwards playing the same weekend. I'd be surprised if the umpires didn't miss the same number or more of potential frees to many of them

However Richmond fans here who are continually pretending Lynch is the only victim of an opposition player paying close attention to them and the whole "woe is me" performance deserves everyone's ridicule

And the point in regard to the AFL's ruling on "Potential to Cause Injury" is another. You need to accept and own it. Lynch isn't the first player to have extra weeks tacked on when this clause has been added to a charge when comparing the actual action to the AFL's matrix

Richmond and Lynch simply aren't victims

 

[TheOptimum18]

I have no problem with Ray doing that analysis

In fairness and in the interests of being non-partial they should've at least covered some other key forwards playing the same weekend. I'd be surprised if the umpires didn't miss the same number or more of potential frees to many of them

However Richmond fans here who are continually pretending Lynch is the only victim of an opposition player paying close attention to them and the whole "woe is me" performance deserves everyone's ridicule

And the point in regard to the AFL's ruling on "Potential to Cause Injury" is another. You need to accept and own it. Lynch isn't the first player to have extra weeks tacked on when this clause has been added to a charge when comparing the actual action to the AFL's matrix

Richmond and Lynch simply aren't victims

I think showing clips of Thilthorpe at the other end of the field would make for nice contrast in this specific analysis.

 

[PeterSalt]

I think showing clips of Thilthorpe at the other end of the field would make for nice contrast in this specific analysis.

Maybe, from the perspective of it being the same umpires. The problem is the blokes on Thilthorpe after Balta went forward were way to small and inexperienced to legitimately compete with him.

I still think other match-ups from other games would've been fairer

The problem I have is the segment focused on Lynch and potentially to some degree played into a narrative that he was a victim without the balance.

Some of the commentary around the it all was that it was a build up of frustration. Most folk have overlooked that he was scrapping and wrestling within minutes of the game starting. And him yelling at the umpire "I'm not going to cop it" at 1 point, which is more or less projecting that he's going to take matters into his own hands

It's almost like he ran onto the field unhinged and then just proceeded to completely unravel

 

[Ancient Tiger]

We can only imagine what Lynch went through, having a defender play on him for an entire half. Not something that happens to other key forwards every week.

He was held at every contest. I was watching it at the ground. Not a single free kick. It doesn't have to occur for 120 minutes before frustration kicks in. It only takes 3 or 4 blatant holds never picked to become frustrating.

 

[Sam_100]

i think punching people in the back of the head is bad, but i guess you don't think potentially significantly harming someone is that bad if it's a player from your own team :whistle

For a second there I though you were talking about Tex and his punch to the back of the head of Hugo.

 

[MisterMarcus]

He was held at every contest. I was watching it at the ground. Not a single free kick. It doesn't have to occur for 120 minutes before frustration kicks in. It only takes 3 or 4 blatant holds never picked to become frustrating.

So if Richmond defenders hold Jeremy Cameron on Saturday, you'll have no problem with Cameron belting them in the head because "frustration kicked in"?

 

[ReturningHawk]

He was held at every contest. I was watching it at the ground. Not a single free kick. It doesn't have to occur for 120 minutes before frustration kicks in. It only takes 3 or 4 blatant holds never picked to become frustrating.

A forward being held in the contest? By all the gods, why didn’t you tell us earlier? This has completely changed my view of things. We can only be thankful that those wicked Adelaide defenders didn’t employ any other dangerous tactics. I heard rumours that they sometimes use spoiling and tackling as well, but they’re probably just rumours.

 

[PeterSalt]

Wondering if Ray's analysis went a step further and critiqued all the infringements made by Lynch and missed frees paid to Butts?

 

[MisterMarcus]

A forward being held in the contest? By all the gods, why didn’t you tell us earlier? This has completely changed my view of things. We can only be thankful that those wicked Adelaide defenders didn’t employ any other dangerous tactics. I heard rumours that they sometimes use spoiling and tackling as well, but they’re probably just rumours.

Apparently they even....contested for the footy instead of letting Richmond players just have it.

 

[ReturningHawk]

This is going to be my biased Richmond supporter post for this thread.

Let's not act like Butts is a complete angel throughout this whole saga either. As far as I can tell, 4 minutes into the game (apparently), Butts wraps Lynch up, Lynch takes a swing at Butts, Butts tries to punch Lynch twice, Lynch throws one back and then the two start wrestling. From then on, Butts clearly trying to not give Lynch space in behind, and Lynch feels he's not been given free kicks for marking interference and stupidly decides to take things into his own hands.

But the lack of furore over Butts swinging fists at Lynch compared to the noise around Lynch is, from a biased Richmond view, astounding.

You’re right, the guy whose head got punched has mostly escaped criticism. Weird.