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Good list AG. I like it a lot.
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Top 10 Players of the Decade
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Good list AG. I like it a lot.
Probably the best I've seen so far. I think you overrated Goodes a little bit, but that's understandable. Black is the best of the decade for mine and Cousins the second best midfielder of the 2000s.
Think you might have Scarlett a little high as well IMO, I'd take Pavlich before him.
Good to see people actually making lists rather than bitching about how their favourite player didn't get in the top 2.
Here's the list if I doubled the AA value:
1. Simon Black (212)
2. Matthew Pavlich (209)
3. Andrew McLeod (201)
4. Mark Ricciuto (196)
5. Scott West (193)
6. Chris Judd (192)
7. Ben Cousins (189)
8. Adam Goodes (182)
9. Nick Reiwoldt (167)
10. Michael Voss (156)
11. Gary Ablett (151)
12. Warren Tredrea (149)
13. Simon Goodwin (148)
14. Jason Akermanis (147)
15. James Hird (138)
16. Jonathan Brown (131)
17. Matthew Scarlett (128)
18. Nathan Buckley (122)
19. Dean Cox (116)
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How dare he get injured and not rack up 600 touches in a season!
Cousins was outstanding for 2 years in a rubbish side, oustanding for 2 years in an improving side, got injured as the side actually started to knock on the door of the top 4 then came back to win a Brownlow and earn two more AA spots in a top side.
Ablett has thus far played 3 great seasons in a team that has finished in the top 2 in all 3.
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all subjective but i dont think you can have a top 10 list without mark ricciuto
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Yeah, I wanted to squeeze him into mine. I really should have checked out some stats regarding how many games he played this decade etc because I rate his career on par with Voss, Hird, Buckley etc.
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I never realised how underrated Buckley is until i read this thread, some of you are either very young, hate Collingwood with a passion that it blinds you or new to footy in the say last 5 years...
Buckley is arguably the BEST midfielder i have seen bias or not, he performed in shit sides, good sides, GF's, in the midfield, down back and then up forward.
Early 2000s Mathews and Sheedy have both said they moved Hird and Voss off Buckley due to him hurting them too much the head to heads were un viable.
He is the best field kick i have seen 60m laser kicks to players leading out or surrounded by players.
97 -2003 he was unstoppable and his kicking made him far more damaging then Judd has ever been.
Buckley is arguably the BEST midfielder i have seen bias or not, he performed in shit sides, good sides, GF's, in the midfield, down back and then up forward.
Early 2000s Mathews and Sheedy have both said they moved Hird and Voss off Buckley due to him hurting them too much the head to heads were un viable.
He is the best field kick i have seen 60m laser kicks to players leading out or surrounded by players.
97 -2003 he was unstoppable and his kicking made him far more damaging then Judd has ever been.
- Sep 10, 2006
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I rate him quite highly but again, it's hard to squeeze a bloke in to a top 10 of the decade when he really only featured in about half of said decade. I realise he retired in 2007 but his last couple of seasons were heavily restricted by injury.
Just because people don't have him in their top 10 for the decade it doesn't mean they don't rate him.
If only cousins didn't get himself into the off field trouble the comparison between him and black would be great.
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pity we're talking about 2000-2009 not 97-03 then.
Fair enough that you think Lloyd is hard to judge, but placing him after Pavlich, Tredrea, Riewoldt, Brown and Johnson is verging on ridiculous. Lloyd is clearly the premier goalkicking forward of the decade, how does that place him behind the third-best 'leading CHF' (Brown behind Riewoldt and Tredrea) in this list?
If his defensive equivalent - Scarlett - manages to get to number 5 on this list (a well-deserved position), I fail to see how Lloyd can be rated so lowly. Based on the rest of your list, he should be up around the 10-11 mark, just ahead of Riewoldt.
Otherwise, I think this is a great list. There are a few others you could have raffled out spot no. 20 to, but I think Goodes deserves to be rated that highly at 3. The guy's got two Brownlows, performed consistently throughout the decade and played well in a range of positions.
- Jun 2, 2006
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Take your hand off it. Buckley was a super player. Champion. But to say crap like that under values Judd and makes you look silly.
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Pardon my ignorance but if you doubled the AA value, how come Brad Johnson falls off the list? He was on 111 on your original and has had been in the AA 4 times this decade including once as captain.
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i lol at your post.
cousins was not even the best midfielder at the chardonnays. it was Judd at that time. it was Judd who too the best tag, who broke the lines, who got the hard ball while cousins did the IMPORTANT (every team needs it) job of linking play with the perceived soft possession because he did it.
now as to 2 how & why guys like him & Shane Crawford proved themselves better than most, was their gut busting running. now, thanks 2 the use of the interchange that will be less of a weapon. having said that, both of those great footballers were deserving winners & would find a way 2 succeed in modern footy, but cousins owes Mr Judd lots.
Ablett has already passed cousins, he is the main tag at Geelong!
Yeah, my bad.
1. Simon Black (212)
2. Matthew Pavlich (209)
3. Andrew McLeod (201)
4. Mark Ricciuto (196)
5. Scott West (193)
6. Chris Judd (192)
7. Ben Cousins (189)
8. Adam Goodes (182)
9. Nick Reiwoldt (167)
10. Michael Voss (156)
11. Brad Johnson (151)
12. Gary Ablett (151)
13. Warren Tredrea (149)
14. Simon Goodwin (148)
15. Jason Akermanis (147)
16. James Hird (138)
17. Jonathan Brown (131)
18. Matthew Scarlett (128)
19. Nathan Buckley (122)
20. Dean Cox (116)
I always thought Buckley was overrated, even in the '90s. I reckon the footy media have a bad habit of overrating Collingwood captains, with Gavin Brown and Tony Shaw being another couple of examples.
In my opinion, Buckley was nothing more than just another very good midfielder who got a million possessions. He wasn't a 'big' match winner; he wasn't a goal kicker (he averaged one goal a game); he didn't have the 'x-factor' of guys like Voss and Hird; I can only remember him taking a handful of contested marks; and he wasn't so great on his left foot. I could never see how he was any better than guys like Scott West or Brent Harvey
So there!
In my opinion, Buckley was nothing more than just another very good midfielder who got a million possessions. He wasn't a 'big' match winner; he wasn't a goal kicker (he averaged one goal a game); he didn't have the 'x-factor' of guys like Voss and Hird; I can only remember him taking a handful of contested marks; and he wasn't so great on his left foot. I could never see how he was any better than guys like Scott West or Brent Harvey
So there!
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In my opinion, Buckley was nothing more than just another very good midfielder who got a million possessions. He wasn't a 'big' match winner; he wasn't a goal kicker (he averaged one goal a game); he didn't have the 'x-factor' of guys like Voss and Hird; I can only remember him taking a handful of contested marks; and he wasn't so great on his left foot. I could never see how he was any better than guys like Scott West or Brent Harvey
So there!
What specific 'x' factor did Voss have that Buckley didn't? I can sort of see the point with Hird, as you could stick Hird at CHF and he'd still dominate. And Buckley was right up there with anyone of his time on his opposite foot.
Not sure about Black at #1. Just my opinion, but I don't think there was a time during the decade where he was a no-doubt-about-it top 5 player of the competition. You could argue that there was no point in the decade when he was even Brisbane's best player. Fantastically consistent and can easily fit in the top ten, but I wouldn't have him at #1.
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People get caught up in judds explosiveness they ignore his kicking especially early on (his 1st 3 years) many times he would kick over a leading players head or have it drop short.
Great exciting player to watch but as damaging by foot as Buckley not a chance.
Judd also had the entire midfield blocking for him allowing him to break something Carlton doesn't do.
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I don't think your opinion can be taken seriously due to being a fremantle supporter.
If you'd asked west coast fans there would have been a 50/50 split at worse over who was the better player. I think a lot rated cousins as better, just not over in victoria because he was the golden boy at the time.
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It was Judds explosiveness that gave him that edge to be a cut above anyone else. A agree that Buckley was a superior kick but for the whole package Judd is better than Buckley.
None of Judds balls were easy ones off a back flank just racking up the numbers. Or sitting a kick behind the play.
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top ten players
Judd-pace and skill are amazing but with after the groin injury hit a rough patch
Voss-he was just spectacular 3 premiership captain
Buckley-one of the greats and a shame there was no premiership for him
Ablett-absolutely brillaint, his class, speed, ball-handling and just some of the things he does are fantastic
Pav-he's been the guy whos just destroyed other teams and has lead from the front. He's carrying the dockers
Silvagni-he was an underated amazing backman
Hird-classy leader
Cousins-fantastic player but has left some play behind him over his suspension
Goodes-absolutely fantastic player. another of the all time greats
Goodwin-hes another underated star. some of the things he does off the ball are fantastic and he gets little credit for all he's done
Judd-pace and skill are amazing but with after the groin injury hit a rough patch
Voss-he was just spectacular 3 premiership captain
Buckley-one of the greats and a shame there was no premiership for him
Ablett-absolutely brillaint, his class, speed, ball-handling and just some of the things he does are fantastic
Pav-he's been the guy whos just destroyed other teams and has lead from the front. He's carrying the dockers
Silvagni-he was an underated amazing backman
Hird-classy leader
Cousins-fantastic player but has left some play behind him over his suspension
Goodes-absolutely fantastic player. another of the all time greats
Goodwin-hes another underated star. some of the things he does off the ball are fantastic and he gets little credit for all he's done
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Far from under rated, he was named Full Back of the Century. Also he only played 2 years this decade and they weren't exactly great.
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My Top 10
10. Matthew Lloyd -Last couple of years werent great but two 100 goal years, a premiership. Best full forward of the decade
9.Nick Reiwoldt - Another great player this decade really came into it in the latter part of the decade
8. Mark Riccuito - Fantastic leader at adelaide and was a pleasure to watch a brownlow also helps
7. Adam Goodes - Although an umpire favourite once again 2 brownlows and a premiership dont lie. He is a great of the game
6. Nathan Buckley - Struck down by injury at the end of his career. But a brownlow and a norm smith dont lie
5. Gary Ablett jr - Freak again has come into it like reiwoldt in the later part. I think if we do another at 2019 he will be number 1
4. Chris Judd - Amazing talent, set a new standard for mid fielders in the modern game. A brownlow and a premiership and now a runner up in the brownlow too
3. Ben Cousins - Judd will soon pass this mark but we have to remember how good Cousins was from 2000 till he got caught for drugs. no one could takle, catch or run as hard as this man. Also at subiaco he could kick a goal from any angle
1. James Hird and Michael Voss - Once again these two tie. Fantastic leaders, understood the game so well. Hird leading the best season by a team a team ever and Voss leading the 3peat. I could sit and watch highlights of these guys for days
10. Matthew Lloyd -Last couple of years werent great but two 100 goal years, a premiership. Best full forward of the decade
9.Nick Reiwoldt - Another great player this decade really came into it in the latter part of the decade
8. Mark Riccuito - Fantastic leader at adelaide and was a pleasure to watch a brownlow also helps
7. Adam Goodes - Although an umpire favourite once again 2 brownlows and a premiership dont lie. He is a great of the game
6. Nathan Buckley - Struck down by injury at the end of his career. But a brownlow and a norm smith dont lie
5. Gary Ablett jr - Freak again has come into it like reiwoldt in the later part. I think if we do another at 2019 he will be number 1
4. Chris Judd - Amazing talent, set a new standard for mid fielders in the modern game. A brownlow and a premiership and now a runner up in the brownlow too
3. Ben Cousins - Judd will soon pass this mark but we have to remember how good Cousins was from 2000 till he got caught for drugs. no one could takle, catch or run as hard as this man. Also at subiaco he could kick a goal from any angle
1. James Hird and Michael Voss - Once again these two tie. Fantastic leaders, understood the game so well. Hird leading the best season by a team a team ever and Voss leading the 3peat. I could sit and watch highlights of these guys for days
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Any list without Pavlich in the 10 should be ignored.
6 odd AA jumpers this decade means that he has been in the best 2 dozen players for at least 6 years.
If the bloke played in Melbourne (well any team except Freo really), he would be a household name and up there with the big superstars.
6 odd AA jumpers this decade means that he has been in the best 2 dozen players for at least 6 years.
If the bloke played in Melbourne (well any team except Freo really), he would be a household name and up there with the big superstars.