Opinion Top 50 2014

[eaglespremiers]

Coll v NM:
5. Fasolo
4. Cloke
3. Sidebottom
2. Maxwell
1. Cunnington

HM: Pendlebury, Frost, Lumumba, Beams, Swan

 

[eaglespremiers]

Syd v Frem:
5. Kennedy
4. Rampe
3. Fyfe
2. Pavlich
1. Franklin

HM: McGlynn, Mundy, Hannebery, McVeigh, Jack

 

[eaglespremiers]

WCE v PA:
5. Darling
4. Ebert
3. Gray
2. Bennell
1. M. White

HM: Carlile, Hartlett, Brown, Mackenzie, Jonas

 

[eaglespremiers]

Ess v StK:
5. Riewoldt
4. Hayes
3. Montagna
2. Stanton
1. Billings

HM: Hibberd, Schneider, Gleeson, Stanley, Myers, Hooker

 

[eaglespremiers]

Adel v GWS:
5. Dangerfield
4. Thompson
3. Jacobs
2. Sloane
1. Jaensch

HM: Coniglio, Jenkins, Wright, Kelly, Talia, Haynes

 

[eaglespremiers]

Melb v GCS:
5. Ablett
4. N. Jones
3. Dawes
2. Rischitelli
1. Viney

HM: O'Meara, Swallow, Cross

 

[eaglespremiers]

WB v Carl:
5. Henderson
4. Murphy
3. Gibbs
2. Dahlhaus
1. Curnow

HM: Griffen, Waite, Bell, Boyd, Simpson, Crameri, Warnock

 

[eaglespremiers]

Haw v Geel:
5. Johnson
4. Hawkins
3. Duncan
2. Rivers
1. Gunstan

HM: Mitchell, Kelly, Enright, Taylor, Bartel, McIntosh, Hill

 

[eaglespremiers]

Coll v Ess:
5. Swan
4. Sidebottom
3. Pendlebury
2. Beams
1. Stanton

HM: Goldsack, Hooker, Elliott, Hibberd, Ryder

 

[eaglespremiers]

Bris v StK
5. Zorko
4. Montagna
3. Patfull
2. Aish
1. Hayes

HM: Redden, Dempsey, Adcock, West

 

[eaglespremiers]

Frem v NM:
5. Fyfe
4. Dal Santo
3. Atley
2. Gibson
1. Cunnington

HM: Mundy, Ziebell, Grima, Harvey, Adams

 

[JHF1870]

NM v PA:
5. B. Cunnington
4. S. Gibson
3. B. Harvey
2. L. Greenwood
1. N. Dal Santo

HM: Hansen, Gray, Adams, Wines, Mullett, Hartlett

Interesting thread, obviously you put time into watching the games, Constructive criticism, I can't see how the best 5 players in this game were Kangaroos.

The west Coast game was a little bit biased.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Interesting thread, obviously you put time into watching the games, Constructive criticism, I can't see how the best 5 players in this game were Kangaroos.

The west Coast game was a little bit biased.

Firstly I appreciate your comment.
However, if you wish to present an argument as to which Port player ought to have been top 5 then I will have something to respond to.
If we look at the coaches votes (put as much weight on them as you will):
10 Cunnington (NM)
7 Greenwood (NM)
4 Harvey (NM)
3 Boak (PA)
2 Bastinac (NM)
2 Hartlett (PA)
1 Gibson (NM)
1 R. Gray (PA)
The coaches have five of eight of the top players as NM players.
I had eight of the top eleven players on the ground as NM players.
The top 6 players on the ground according to CD rankings were NM players (again, put as much weight on those rankings as you want):
Gibson (123), Cunnington (120), Greenwood (119), Dal Santo (119), Harvey (114) and Bastinac (110).
I am happy to be swayed if you present some reasons why a particular player, or a couple ought to be considered higher than they are.

Regarding your concern about "the west Coast game" I assume you mean our game against PA?
In that case I wish to turn again to the coaches votes:
8 Darling (WCE)
8 Ebert (PA)
8 R. Gray (PA)
2 Bennell (WCE)
2 Priddis (WCE)
1 Broadbent (PA)
1 Lobbe (PA)
vs my votes:
5. Darling
4. Ebert
3. Gray
2. Bennell
1. M. White

HM: Carlile, Hartlett, Brown, Mackenzie, Jonas

We see the exact same top four players on the ground (Darling, Ebert, Gray and Bennell) and the only difference between our votes is that I didn't really rate Priddis' or Lobbe's games. The greater mistake IMO was the coaches not rating White's game and his runs through the middle of Subiaco.
In total I have placed four WC players in my best for that game (Darling, Bennell, Brown and Mackenzie). I have put six PA players in my best (Ebert, Gray, White, Carlile, Hartlett and Jonas). Being that the game was fairly even for the most part this doesn't seem too "biased".
Again, though, I am open to argument as to who I have undervalued.

 

[JHF1870]

Firstly I appreciate your comment.
However, if you wish to present an argument as to which Port player ought to have been top 5 then I will have something to respond to.
If we look at the coaches votes (put as much weight on them as you will):
10 Cunnington (NM)
7 Greenwood (NM)
4 Harvey (NM)
3 Boak (PA)
2 Bastinac (NM)
2 Hartlett (PA)
1 Gibson (NM)
1 R. Gray (PA)
The coaches have five of eight of the top players as NM players.
I had eight of the top eleven players on the ground as NM players.
The top 6 players on the ground according to CD rankings were NM players (again, put as much weight on those rankings as you want):
Gibson (123), Cunnington (120), Greenwood (119), Dal Santo (119), Harvey (114) and Bastinac (110).
I am happy to be swayed if you present some reasons why a particular player, or a couple ought to be considered higher than they are.

Regarding your concern about "the west Coast game" I assume you mean our game against PA?
In that case I wish to turn again to the coaches votes:
8 Darling (WCE)
8 Ebert (PA)
8 R. Gray (PA)
2 Bennell (WCE)
2 Priddis (WCE)
1 Broadbent (PA)
1 Lobbe (PA)
vs my votes:
5. Darling
4. Ebert
3. Gray
2. Bennell
1. M. White

HM: Carlile, Hartlett, Brown, Mackenzie, Jonas

We see the exact same top four players on the ground (Darling, Ebert, Gray and Bennell) and the only difference between our votes is that I didn't really rate Priddis' or Lobbe's games. The greater mistake IMO was the coaches not rating White's game and his runs through the middle of Subiaco.
In total I have placed four WC players in my best for that game (Darling, Bennell, Brown and Mackenzie). I have put six PA players in my best (Ebert, Gray, White, Carlile, Hartlett and Jonas). Being that the game was fairly even for the most part this doesn't seem too "biased".
Again, though, I am open to argument as to who I have undervalued.

Just had a chance to watch the WC Port game, and there is no way Darling was best on ground. You can't go on coaches votes.

Darling took several contested marks, but wasted a lot of his opportunities.

2.4 on the scoreboard. If he won the game, by kicking straight, then you could consider him for best player, the same as Kennedy.

1st goal came from miss handball directly to him in the goalsquare from port player
2nd goal came from a 50m penalty.

Priddis really didn't do much with his disposal, hence no votes.

Again, after reviewing the game again, and looking at the quality of the game for each player.

1. Ebert
2. Gray
3. Darling
4. Bennell
5. White
6. Mackenzie

Too even in the next 5 or so.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Just had a chance to watch the WC Port game, and there is no way Darling was best on ground. You can't go on coaches votes.

Darling took several contested marks, but wasted a lot of his opportunities.

2.4 on the scoreboard. If he won the game, by kicking straight, then you could consider him for best player, the same as Kennedy.

1st goal came from miss handball directly to him in the goalsquare from port player
2nd goal came from a 50m penalty.

Priddis really didn't do much with his disposal, hence no votes.

Again, after reviewing the game again, and looking at the quality of the game for each player.

1. Ebert
2. Gray
3. Darling
4. Bennell
5. White
6. Mackenzie

Too even in the next 5 or so.

As I am not using my rankings as anything but a guide for my top 50 it is semantics to argue whether Darling was clear BOG (which I don't think he was) or 3rd best on ground. IIRC there was no particular player who stood out that game. Ebert was particularly good early but I don't recall him having a huge impact in the 2nd half. Nonetheless we agree on the top 5 (with only one order change) so I think classing my voting "biased" as not completely accurate.

 

[JHF1870]

As I am not using my rankings as anything but a guide for my top 50 it is semantics to argue whether Darling was clear BOG (which I don't think he was) or 3rd best on ground. IIRC there was no particular player who stood out that game. Ebert was particularly good early but I don't recall him having a huge impact in the 2nd half. Nonetheless we agree on the top 5 (with only one order change) so I think classing my voting "biased" as not completely accurate.

Like I said in the first post, I can appreciate the time you put into watching every game. My reasons for Ebert and Gray over Darling is simply that Darling didn't execute effectively.

I thought both Ebert and Gray contributed often to scoring plays. And probably more importantly but late in the game Matty white and also Polec.

But agreed the top 5 were all there to see.

I wouldn't argue, that if Darling kicked 4-5 goals, and WC won, he would have easily got best player. Execution is important.

 

[eaglespremiers]

GCS v GWS:
5. O'Meara
4. Lynch
3. Ablett
2. Swallow
1. Kolodjashnij

HM: Prestia, Shaw, Ward, Hall, Treloar

 

[eaglespremiers]

Carl v WCE:
5. Murphy
4. Waite
3. Buckley
2. McLean
1. Yarran

HM: Rowe, Shuey, Gibbs, Warnock, Bennell, Rosa, Sheppard

 

[eaglespremiers]

Melb v Syd:
5. Hannebery
4. Parker
3. Jack
2. N. Jones
1. Kennedy

HM: Bird, Shaw, Dunn, Cross

 

[eaglespremiers]

WB v Adel:
5. Lynch
4. Dangefield
3. Boyd
2. Jenkins
1. Sloane

HM: Wood, Podsiadly, Picken, Thompson

 

[eaglespremiers]

Rich v Haw:
5. Rioli
4. Hodge
3. Mitchell
2. McEvoy
1. Hill

HM: Riewoldt, Langford, Vlastuin, Lewis, Hale, Astbury

 

[eaglespremiers]

PA v Geel:
5. Boak
4. Hartlett
3. Cornes
2. Gray
1. Kelly

HM: Hombsch, Stokes, Lobbe, Rivers, Ebert

 

[eaglespremiers]

Carl v Coll:
5. Langdon
4. Beams
3. Elliott
2. Blair
1. Warnock

HM: Pendlebury, Buckley, Goldsack, White, Simpson

 

[eaglespremiers]

Haw v StK:
5. Burgoyne
4. Hodge
3. Gibson
2. Schoenmakers
1. Breust

HM: Gunston, Rioli, Birchall, Lewis, Roughead

 

[eaglespremiers]

GWS v PA:
5. Polec
4. Gray
3. Schulz
2. Ward
1. Monfries

HM: Stewart, White, Hombsch, Hoskin-Elliott, Trengove