Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[pebblesofsand]

Lol.

Yeah OK unders I know but I really want Lipinski so how about Bruce for 41 and Lipinski? Can't get fairer than that!!

Jeez I love pre trade time.

 

[Doggy]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Keep this at the front of your thinking - he isn't leaving St Kilda because he's unhappy - he's looking at leaving because ATM you have offered a better longer term deal than his current contract which has one year remaining.

If you don't want to part with Pick 12 you are more than welcome to offer up Pick 30 for any other CHF that is currently available. Perhaps you can look at the Dons and Daniher or maybe Sydney and Buddy.

Although that said Pick 30 and Lipinski seems a good alternate starting point to Pick 12.

If you're going to come here at least try being serious

Why would Bruce stay with the saints on less years and take a pay cut from his current contract?

And pick 30 and Lipinski? Nice troll

 

[Smiley Boy]

Syd - Pick 30
Saints - Jones
Dogs - Bruce

Done

 

[Northernsoul74]

Syd - Pick 30
Saints - Jones
Dogs - Bruce

Done

Now get Keath.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Syd - Pick 30
Saints - Jones
Dogs - Bruce

Done

We're getting way too good a deal there, would genuinely be shocked if we only paid Pick 30 for Bruce

 

[Smiley Boy]

Now get Keath.

Pick 41 & 46 or even just 41

The bloke is uncontracted so we’ve got the upper hand here

 

[Smiley Boy]

We're getting way too good a deal there, would genuinely be shocked if we only paid Pick 30 for Bruce

Stkilda needs picks and can guarantee you we won’t be giving up our first. This seems most logical

 

[Virgin Dog]

Stkilda needs picks and can guarantee you we won’t be giving up our first. This seems most logical

I don't see how we get away with getting in both Keath and Bruce without losing our 1st in some capacity. Saints would balk at an offer of Pick 30, and tell us to go find something better. They may need picks, but they're not just going to bend over and let us have our way with them. Jones can be had for a future 2nd if needed

 

[pebblesofsand]

The discussion was around us getting 21 or 26 from Crows for 12 and giving you that. Not 30. The point is 24 hours ago it looked likely 12 would get to Saints in some way. But with Keath nominating us we have much more options for getting these trades done now. If you want 12, if it’s involved, you need to find something to send back because currently the Crows are a lot more attractive to send 12 to.
We also have options in splitting 12 with say a West Coast, or upgrading our 3 third rounders with Freos second to help their NGA bid.
We have a lot of options to get Bruce and Keath, Saints not so much if you want 12.

All fair comment but all clubs have options - we could split 5 with WCE, perhaps a 3 way deal between us, Freo and Geelong means we can get Hill with Pick 12.

None of us are party to those discussion's that's why I look at straight trades only.

My view is that Bruce would be a very very good pick up for your side and would lift you to genuine top 4 status so I'd expect that the deal will reflect that.

If it was a straight trade, in the current environment Pick 15 to 18 is about the right mark.

 

[BRWB]

Yeah OK unders I know but I really want Lipinski so how about Bruce for 41 and Lipinski? Can't get fairer than that!!

Jeez I love pre trade time.

If the Saints can get a Dog's player to nominate them as the club they want to play at I have no doubt the Dogs would look at a trade of that player for Bruce....

Good luck with that....

 

[Doggy]

All fair comment but all clubs have options - we could split 5 with WCE, perhaps a 3 way deal between us, Freo and Geelong means we can get Hill with Pick 12.

None of us are party to those discussion's that's why I look at straight trades only.

My view is that Bruce would be a very very good pick up for your side and would lift you to genuine top 4 status so I'd expect that the deal will reflect that.

If it was a straight trade, in the current environment Pick 15 to 18 is about the right mark.

You're having a laugh now.

I want to see saints try to split 5 because Freo has already warned them not to. If you blow the first deal with a decent player who wants to go to the saints that would be embarrassing

15 to 18 straight swap for Bruce is also ridiculous. He hasn't kicked over 35 goals in 4 years

 

[Virgin Dog]

If the Saints can get a Dog's player to nominate them as the club they want to play at I have no doubt the Dogs would look at a trade of that player for Bruce....

Good luck with that....

Only guys I can see that happening with are someone like McLean (worth pretty much the same as Bruce), Gowers (we'd have to send a decent pick with him), Greene (same as Gowers) or Jong (same again). Everyone else is either absolutely required, would never leave, or is worth absolutely nothing.

Bruce is probably 99.99% chance of being done with picks. Doubt any players get involved after all the effort Bevo + Power have put into keeping the core group together

 

[Bro_Pro]

Haha I’m thinking we are going to get Bruce and Keath for a song. With the other trades the saints need to get done they can’t play hard ball even tho there supporters want them to!! Going to be good to be on the winning side of trade week.

 

[ossie_21]

Regarding the Elliott chat, he may just have gotten over all the injuries much like Higgins did just before he left us. The same as how he left, if I were a pies fan I’d be dirty at Elliott.

However, Mrs Ossie wants to bang young Jamie’s brains out so with our recent move to Melbourne it will cement an additional membership next season

 

[Doggies7]

Well that would depend on whether you actually want him or not.

Certainly you can offer Pick 30 straight up but then we'd simply hold him to his contract and renegotiate a new long term deal. Absolutely certain Juicy will take a 3 x $550k offer to stay a Saint if the Doggies aren't legit in the trade dealings.

Yeah that happens all the time when a player requests a trade (Especially a guy in their late 20's), they end up staying at their current team against their will and then renegotiating a long term deal. I'll bet anything that doesn't happen.

 

[Smiley Boy]

 

[K_Nine]

Reading the St Kilda board, they don't seem that confident getting our first rounder for Bruce.

Starting to think maybe it's possible we could trade our 3 third rounders for a second rounder, then trade one second for Bruce, another for Keath. Then we can keep our first, or split it for a couple of seconds.

 

[fronkalicious]

Stew Crameri is a reasonable starting point to try and value a Bruce trade.

He cost pick 16. He was 2 years younger than Bruce, but obviously a medium forward, not a key position player.

Their goal kicking stats are very similar.

So around that early/mid 20s mark is about right for Bruce.

30 seems bang on for Keath.

I love the idea of throwing our 3rd rounders together to try and get that freo pick 24.

Still guessing we’ll have to split pick 12, but confident we’ll land both boys and still have a pick inside 25.

 

[bulldogs54]

Stew Crameri is a reasonable starting point to try and value a Bruce trade.

He cost pick 16. He was 2 years younger than Bruce, but obviously a medium forward, not a key position player.

Their goal kicking stats are very similar.

So around that early/mid 20s mark is about right for Bruce.

30 seems bang on for Keath.

I love the idea of throwing our 3rd rounders together to try and get that freo pick 24.

Still guessing we’ll have to split pick 12, but confident we’ll land both boys and still have a pick inside 25.

Correction sorry. He cost pick 26.

 

[K_Nine]

Stew Crameri is a reasonable starting point to try and value a Bruce trade.

He cost pick 16. He was 2 years younger than Bruce, but obviously a medium forward, not a key position player.

Their goal kicking stats are very similar.

So around that early/mid 20s mark is about right for Bruce.

30 seems bang on for Keath.

I love the idea of throwing our 3rd rounders together to try and get that freo pick 24.

Still guessing we’ll have to split pick 12, but confident we’ll land both boys and still have a pick inside 25.

Crameri was for pick 26 and uncontracted.

 

[dogwatch]

Crameri comparison makes me slightly uneasy.

We got 2 good years out of him before his past association with the druggies caught up with him. Meanwhile Essendon got a whole career out of Zach Merrett for pick 26 (originally a Doggies fan IIRC). Good luck to them for their astute drafting of course.

Anyone claiming Bruce is worth a first rounder needs to remember we’ll probably get only 3-4 good years out of him, not 10.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Said it on the Keath thread but I'll be staggered if we dont do a pick swap somewhere along the line with you guys.

We have the picks eachother wants

Out: 12,42, 46

In: 20 (from Langdon trade), 25, future 2nd.

12 should just get us ahead of any Henry bid given academdy/FS are normally bid on later than their rankings and we'll squeeze the rest of the points we'll need for a bid from St Kilda in the Hill trade.

Shall I formalise the paperwork?

 

[Doggy]

Crameri comparison makes me slightly uneasy.

We got 2-3 good years out of him before his past association with the druggies caught up with him. Meanwhile Essendon got a whole career out of Zach Merrett for pick 26 (originally a Doggies fan IIRC). Good luck to them for their astute drafting of course.

Anyone claiming Bruce is worth a first rounder needs to remember we’ll probably get only 3-4 good years out of him, not 10.

Nothing stopping him playing for quite some time still .. Morris was 36 .. yes yes no-one is the same as Morris but there's no reason

We overrate draft picks though. We have a very good hand next year where we will probably grab 3 first rounders plus a few others before having the West twins and others in 2021

 

[fronkalicious]

Correction sorry. He cost pick 26.

Typo. Sorry. Pick 26 of course

 

[Anja_Nees]

The small forward we are into reportedly comes from St Kilda fwiw. Make of that what you will.