Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[TBOW]

So we would swap 3 later picks (currently 43, 48 & 50) worth 953 for pick 26 worth 729. And then the subsequent events you outlined. Yeah, I would support that. Would have to be very attractive to Freo. Fly in the ointment: is there not a rule to the effect that you can only take as many picks to the draft as you have free list spots (minimum 3)? That means Freo have to clear 6 list spots to draft 3 players. Means they have to recruit after the draft. How does that work? What options do they have? It is a challenge for them but on the other hand they have pick 7 + Henry (reputed to go around 13 in the draft) as the foundation for this year's recruiting campaign.

Well assuming that they get 6 for Hill (and leaving out any pick they might get for Langdon) they would have to go to the draft with at least 5 open list spots.
2 would be filled by picks 5 & 6 then the third would be Henry which would erode those 3rd round picks.
The 2 remaining picks would be later picks or rookie upgrades (if they have any).
The draft essentially keeps generating picks until all teams stop selecting players - so they could go as deep as they need.

 

[Mofra]

Happy to pay it too, he's easily worth that even with nothing coming back. Super athletic, can take on the brute key forward. Led the comp in one percenters a year or two ago

I'd be happy to pay our 13, and ask that we swap two third rounders (at a points surplus) for their second. They get a first rounder and extra points for a Mead bid.

We wind up with two second rounders to trade for Keath & Bruce. We wind up with the best spine I've ever seen in Bulldog colours.

 

[Bro_Pro]

Just wanting to hear the news. Was this reported on trade radio?

His cousin let it out off the bag! Dogs are all over him and he’s starting to lean towards us! His manager thinks we could also do a better deal as pick 13 is on the table. I guess the cats out of the bag now tho hey!!

 

[TBOW]

Could someone please tell me where the reports regarding dougal howard are coming from or are they bull dust?

I saw them mentioned by the mod on a Foxsports live blog but no idea where she got that information from.
Could well be that she was mistaken.

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

Considering Toby plays midfield judging him on goal output is just as unfair as judging Papley on disposals.

This year? McLean has barely played any midfield time. Papley has probably spent more time in the middle than Toby

 

[immortalmike]

This year? McLean has barely played any midfield time. Papley has probably spent more time in the middle than Toby

And averages less disposals?
Do you really think that would help your argument.
Toby played midfield a bit less this year than last however the big difference is he was asked to play more outside than last year.

 

[Misunderstood]

His cousin let it out off the bag! Dogs are all over him and he’s starting to lean towards us! His manager thinks we could also do a better deal as pick 13 is on the table. I guess the cats out of the bag now tho hey!!

sounds good to me

 

[Barking Mad]

I don’t see Papley being an option if the reported big $’s are true. Whilst we may have salary cap space that is due to some of our elite taking unders. We need to be a club like Geelong and Hawks whereby players are willing to come to us for under the market price and stay for the same.
As for swapping Toby for Papley, the swans would require way more and I don’t see there’s a huge gap between when Toby shows the mindset. I’m not that interested in their stats for 2 reasons. The 1st is Papley receives more attention from opposition given the swans have little else down there when he’s forward. Keep him quite and the job is over halfway done to beating them. The 2nd is Papley runs though the midfield more often.
I’d be more inclined to be targeting a speedy winger and popping Hunter in a pocket. I know he’s seen as an outside player but he can be as hard as nails when needs be. We know he can run all day so try keeping up with him dropping in behind him when he’s led you on a 3km time trial just before.

 

[Virgin Dog]

I'd be happy to pay our 13, and ask that we swap two third rounders (at a points surplus) for their second. They get a first rounder and extra points for a Mead bid.

We wind up with two second rounders to trade for Keath & Bruce. We wind up with the best spine I've ever seen in Bulldog colours.

Classic win-win situation, and I'd be ecstatic with that as the result. Even if Howard nominates North (like many rumours seem to suggest) the pick swap could be done in isolation. I'm not convinced it's worth keeping Pick 13 this year no matter what happens when we have the opportunity to draft so many talented smalls with x-factor later in the draft (one of the main strengths of this draft group). Would almost prefer to just trade it out for a future 1st with someone like Essendon or Port who are around the middle of the table, and could really finish anywhere next year

 

[Triple Baileys]

Very different players, we need both types. Anything to avoid handing 13 to the Saints is good with me.

We walk away in that case, Bruce is not worth a straight swap for pick 13.

 

[Triple Baileys]

Well assuming that they get 6 for Hill (and leaving out any pick they might get for Langdon) they would have to go to the draft with at least 5 open list spots.
2 would be filled by picks 5 & 6 then the third would be Henry which would erode those 3rd round picks.
The 2 remaining picks would be later picks or rookie upgrades (if they have any).
The draft essentially keeps generating picks until all teams stop selecting players - so they could go as deep as they need.

True but you do have to clear the list spots, I'm pretty sure of that. It is an issue with using multiple picks.

 

[Del165892]

Our talls will be feared across the land

 

[Bont2Bruce]

We wind up with the best spine I've ever seen in Bulldog colours.

1985 Prelim Final:
Beasley
Sewell
Purser
Foster
Kennedy

 

[Smiley Boy]

His cousin let it out off the bag! Dogs are all over him and he’s starting to lean towards us! His manager thinks we could also do a better deal as pick 13 is on the table. I guess the cats out of the bag now tho hey!!

Sounds like fake news

 

[Bro_Pro]

Sounds like fake news

100%

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

And averages less disposals?
Do you really think that would help your argument.
Toby played midfield a bit less this year than last however the big difference is he was asked to play more outside than last year.

Huh, what's my argument? I was saying disposals alone don't matter, and in Papley's 3 'worst' games he averages the same amount of tackles and marks as McLean overall. They're not the same type of player but for the role we're using McLean in, a small forward, Papely is superior. I don't really care which is a better midfielder except for the fact that it makes the stats harder to read accurately.

But, seeing as you brought it up...

Billy Bob65 didn't do centre bounce stats for every game, but of the 12 he did where McLean played he attended 1(wing), 0, 1(w), 1(w), 6(1w), 3, 1, 14(w), 0, and 2. Of the 14 Sydney games Papley attended 17, 6, 3, 2, 3, 4, 1, 0, 3, 8(1w), 8(1w), and 0. McLean averages 2.3 centre bounces (1.5 wing) and Papley averages 3.9 (0.14 wing). So Papley does spend more time inside, McLean more time outside, Papley more mid time overall. That's not of a lot of interest to me but maybe it is to someone.

 

[LittleG]

I'd be happy to pay our 13, and ask that we swap two third rounders (at a points surplus) for their second. They get a first rounder and extra points for a Mead bid.

We wind up with two second rounders to trade for Keath & Bruce. We wind up with the best spine I've ever seen in Bulldog colours.

I would only trade one of the thirds, as Howard isn’t in THEIR best 22. That way we keep 2 of our third rounders and get all three trades done.
IF they want another third rounder, then ask for a future third from them & Happily trading in a future pick.

 

[Libba39]

If you look back as a club we aren't generally great at recruiting KPPs from the u18 draft are we?
Naughton the only deadset gun of the last....god knows how long?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

If you look back as a club we aren't generally great at recruiting KPPs from the u18 draft are we?
Naughton the only deadset gun of the last....god knows how long?

Since we drafted Chris Grant at pick 100+
Maybe Brian Harris, although he was only a gun as Brian Lake.

 

[X_box_X]

Harris at pick 71 in 2001 was mint too.

Whatever happened to Brian Harris anyway? He played his final game in 2007 and was never seen or heard from again.

 

[Virgin Dog]

If you look back as a club we aren't generally great at recruiting KPPs from the u18 draft are we?
Naughton the only deadset gun of the last....god knows how long?

To be fair, there have been other clubs who have struggled just as much but still seen good success. Collingwood's best in the last decade has been Moore, and he fell in their laps as a father/son. Just sucks when you look at clubs like West Coast who make finding KPPs look effortless. McGovern, Barrass, Darling, Allen

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Has McLeans name been brought up anywhere outside of this thread as a potential swap for Papley?

 

[Bodicifer]

Papley will be at Carlton.
At best we will end up with Keath and Bruce. If it gets done, we are going to be a powerhouse next year.

 

[McCraeBF]

Pick 13 and Toby McLean for Tom Papley and Sydneys pick 25.

Pick 25 to St Kilda for Josh Bruce.

Pick 32 and 42 to Adelaide for Alex Keath.

This would be nice!

ARE YOU CRAZY LONGMIRE

 

[Bald]

Has McLeans name been brought up anywhere outside of this thread as a potential swap for Papley?

I don't believe so. I was just throwing it up as a potential scenario. I get that depth is important but just feel he has a bit of value and with Bailey Smith, Rhylee West, Lipinski, Dunkley, Bontempelli, Macrae, Liberatore all great/good midfielders (italics being good) and our small forward stocks consisting of Dickson (who is uncontracted) and Sam Lloyd who is 30, it's more about using something we have a lot of to get something we don't have a lot of.

It doesn't mean I want to lose McLean, it just means if I had to trade one of our mids out, he'd be the one I'd trade.