Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Snarls Barkley]

The thing with TOB is his 5 good games were as a defender and the 90 average ones were as a forward. I'd be taking the chance on the guy who has played well at the level then the guy who has shown nothing

Thats not really true. He has been swung forward and back his entire career and without showing anything until his last month at Hawthorn. You're right that all his good games have been as a defender though.

I've never seen McAsey play, good chance is that he is not good enough and I'm not that keen on chasing him. Could have said the same thing about Will Brodie, high pick/couldn't get a game at a shit team and he has worked out massively. For all the Brodie's there is probably 10 absolute stinkers who never get a game though.

All I know is that I was pissed off chasing O'Brien instead of giving Young games last year and I'm more pissed off now.

 

[doggiesin08]

Thats not really true. He has been swung forward and back his entire career and without showing anything until his last month at Hawthorn. You're right that all his good games have been as a defender though.

I've never seen McAsey play, good chance is that he is not good enough and I'm not that keen on chasing him. Could have said the same thing about Will Brodie, high pick/couldn't get a game at a s**t team and he has worked out massively. For all the Brodie's there is probably 10 absolute stinkers who never get a game though.

All I know is that I was pissed off chasing O'Brien instead of giving Young games last year and I'm more pissed off now.

I remember having high hopes when we brought in former top 5 draft pick Andrew McDougall

 

[Foxman98]

Thats not really true. He has been swung forward and back his entire career and without showing anything until his last month at Hawthorn. You're right that all his good games have been as a defender though.

I've never seen McAsey play, good chance is that he is not good enough and I'm not that keen on chasing him. Could have said the same thing about Will Brodie, high pick/couldn't get a game at a s**t team and he has worked out massively. For all the Brodie's there is probably 10 absolute stinkers who never get a game though.

All I know is that I was pissed off chasing O'Brien instead of giving Young games last year and I'm more pissed off now.

Will Brodie dominated the NEAFL and was still good at AFL level just wasn't fit. McAsey doesn't have it and yes TOB played his better games late in his hawks career as a defender including a brilliant game against us. Again i'm picking the one who has shown capability over the one who has shown none and was taken highly due to his position not output

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I remember having high hopes when we brought in former top 5 draft pick Andrew McDougall

Haha exactly. Going to be a lot more of those stories than success stories.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Will Brodie dominated the NEAFL and was still good at AFL level just wasn't fit. McAsey doesn't have it and yes TOB played his better games late in his hawks career as a defender including a brilliant game against us. Again i'm picking the one who has shown capability over the one who has shown none and was taken highly due to his position not output

All he showed in 95 games at Hawthorn is that he wasn't good enough.

As soon as we get linked to someone we try to pretend they were better players than what they are. Same thing when we got linked to Jack Lonie. Despite 85 games of showing nothing at Saints, as soon as we get linked to him, we reminisce about the two good games he had and talk ourselves into him. Fortunately we didn't go through with that one.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

So if Rankine was pick 3 and now has years of development and a huge contract offer. Do the Suns accept pick 6 (Crows pick 5 moving to 6 after Roos get a priority pick)?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

So if Rankine was pick 3 and now has years of development and a huge contract offer. Do the Suns accept pick 6 (Crows pick 5 moving to 6 after Roos get a priority pick)?

Its a tough one. I feel like that has to be the minimum, I would hope for a little more if I was the Suns but its hard to value small forwards.

 

[immortalmike]

All he showed in 95 games at Hawthorn is that he wasn't good enough.

As soon as we get linked to someone we try to pretend they were better players than what they are. Same thing when we got linked to Jack Lonie. Despite 85 games of showing nothing at Saints, as soon as we get linked to him, we reminisce about the two good games he had and talk ourselves into him. Fortunately we didn't go through with that one.

Liam Jones....

 

[Foxman98]

All he showed in 95 games at Hawthorn is that he wasn't good enough.

As soon as we get linked to someone we try to pretend they were better players than what they are. Same thing when we got linked to Jack Lonie. Despite 85 games of showing nothing at Saints, as soon as we get linked to him, we reminisce about the two good games he had and talk ourselves into him. Fortunately we didn't go through with that one.

Who's suggesting he is better then he is? He showed he had the potential to be a decent 3rd tall/interceptor at AFL level and we hoped with our system he'd be able to sustain it. He hasn't been able too and isn't in the side but again why would you be picking someone who has show nothing at SANFL level over a guy who has show he can do it albeit brief at AFL level?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Who's suggesting he is better then he is? He showed he had the potential to be a decent 3rd tall/interceptor at AFL level and we hoped with our system he'd be able to sustain it. He hasn't been able too and isn't in the side but again why would you be picking someone who has show nothing at SANFL level over a guy who has show he can do it albeit brief at AFL level?

If I'm going to pick a list clogger I'd rather choose someone who has shown nothing in three years and may end up being better than a list clogger over a guy who has proven over 100 games and 10 years that he is a list clogger.

As I said, never seen McAsey play. Not keen on him at all, it can't be a good sign that he can't get into a putrid Adelaide side If given the choice, I'd still have Young here.

I'll always support O'Brien if he gets back into the team. Stranger things have happened than him becoming competent in our best 22. I'd given up on Hamling mid 2016 and he changed that in no time. But in general I don't believe its a good idea to be taking punts on 28 year olds who showed some potential.

 

[Foxman98]

If I'm going to pick a list clogger I'd rather choose someone who has shown nothing in three years and may end up being better than a list clogger over a guy who has proven over 100 games and 10 years that he is a list clogger.

As I said, never seen McAsey play. Not keen on him at all, it can't be a good sign that he can't get into a putrid Adelaide side If given the choice, I'd still have Young here.

I'll always support O'Brien if he gets back into the team. Stranger things have happened than him becoming competent in our best 22. I'd given up on Hamling mid 2016 and he changed that in no time. But in general I don't believe its a good idea to be taking punts on 28 year olds who showed some potential.

There's a difference between a list clogger and a depth player, McAsey is a list clogger because he's been on their list for what 3 years now and has only played 10 games meaning their getting nothing out of him TOB whilst not a star played 16/16/19 games before coming too us that suggest whilst his abilities are limited he can provide something to us in case of injury or that he will excel in his preferred position. Do I think he will end up being in our starting 22 no am I more comfortable with him rather than McAsey as our depth in case of injury 100% yes

 

[Unorth]

IMO the they should roll the coach’s mvp, players mvp and brownlow into one. Maybe even give the media (select participants) some votes. Might be unpopular that last one but it does generally work for American sports.

In theory that would give you the most balanced award. Probably still ends up going to a mid every year, though. And the AFL would have to rework Brownlow night because it already drags on as is.

You could probably already take past winners of all three awards year by year and see how much discrepancy there is anyway. Would be interesting.

 

[Foxman98]

IMO the they should roll the coach’s mvp, players mvp and brownlow into one. Maybe even give the media (select participants) some votes. Might be unpopular that last one but it does generally work for American sports.

In theory that would give you the most balanced award. Probably still ends up going to a mid every year, though. And the AFL would have to rework Brownlow night because it already drags on as is.

You could probably already take past winners of all three awards year by year and see how much discrepancy there is anyway. Would be interesting.

I still don’t understand how an award voted on by the umpires is considered the most prestigious award especially given how flawed it is. Take last year for example Wines best games were not even remotely in the same planet as Bont yet his 35 3 goals 10 score involvements gets 3 votes and wines 28 disposals no one else doing anything gets the same they need to weight it better for mine like they do with the coaches votes

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Dunkley usual cookie cutter segment on ten news was boring but when they mentioned his future he said it would be sorted after the season. Not too many guys re-sign with the same team after the season.

Could just be that the structure and terms of his contract will be finalised when delistings and JJ's FA issue are resolved.

 

[TiAn_]

Could just be that the structure and terms of his contract will be finalised when delistings and JJ's FA issue are resolved.

We’d be prioritising Dunkley and it would be our dealings with role players like JJ that would be impacted by what we do with Dunkley, not the other way around.

I don’t know more than the next bloke but I reckon it’d be a huge upset if he stayed at this point.

 

[dergert]

We’d be prioritising Dunkley and it would be our dealings with role players like JJ that would be impacted by what we do with Dunkley, not the other way around.

I don’t know more than the next bloke but I reckon it’d be a huge upset if he stayed at this point.

I have a feeling it's holding up West's deal as well. It'd be a shame to lose both.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

I have a feeling it's holding up West's deal as well. It'd be a shame to lose both.

If we lose both I'll be rioting at UVW, that reeks of inept list management.

 

[Bulldogs85]

I have a feeling it's holding up West's deal as well. It'd be a shame to lose both.

We should just Re-Sign West and be done with it

 

[TiAn_]

I have a feeling it's holding up West's deal as well. It'd be a shame to lose both.

I’d like to hope it’s not. I’d be filthy. West is an absolute must keep imo, irrespective of what happens with Dunkley.

 

[dergert]

I’d like to hope it’s not. I’d be filthy. West is an absolute must keep imo, irrespective of what happens with Dunkley.

I could be overthinking it but it makes sense imo.

We need to start giving midfield minutes to West next year imo. It might actually be what's needed to freshen it up.

 

[grassman75]

If North want to split their first, give us something in the top 12 for Dunks go for it. Fact is, he wants the money, he wants to be a captain, he wants to be in the lime light, and North can give him all that, he ain't gonna be that behind Bont.

North can give him limelight? In front of 11k at Marvel and regular trips to Tassie

 

[Bulldogs85]

Tom Browne said this about Dunkley

Josh Dunkley has been rated 50-50 to stay at the Western Bulldogs amid interest from Port Adelaide.

The 25-year-old, who has had a strong two seasons since his ill-fated attempt to move to Essendon, wants a long-term deal, potentially up to five years.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Tom Browne said this about Dunkley

Josh Dunkley has been rated 50-50 to stay at the Western Bulldogs amid interest from Port Adelaide.

The 25-year-old, who has had a strong two seasons since his ill-fated attempt to move to Essendon, wants a long-term deal, potentially up to five years.

If the length is the sticking point ie security over annual $ give it to him.

 

[grassman75]

Tom Browne said this about Dunkley

Josh Dunkley has been rated 50-50 to stay at the Western Bulldogs amid interest from Port Adelaide.

The 25-year-old, who has had a strong two seasons since his ill-fated attempt to move to Essendon, wants a long-term deal, potentially up to five years.

Ahh good old Each Way Browne.

Goin' out on a limb there Tommy Boy

****ing idiot

 

[dergert]

If the length is the sticking point ie security over annual $ give it to him.

Give him 6!