Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[adogsfan5]

Could we get involved in getting suns pick 5?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Why? Cheap assistant that already knows the players and system and is outside the soft cap

He won't be one of the main assistants just like Stef wasn't

Is Stef even still there?

 

[Dog 36]

What role? We are having him there to develop our talls as he already has a relationship with them and is already on our list,

You are literally complaining that our assistants and support staff are poor whilst complaining that we are signing one who is already well respected at the club outside of the soft cap meaning we have more room in the soft cap to sign more players?

The role - is to develop the talls (as you note)

Therefore get the best candidate to do that if that's what role you want filled and if it costs more so be it and if Bruce is the best candidate i am all for it.

If Buddy, Brian Lake, Wayne Carey, Dermott Bereton, Josh Kennedy etc etc are deemed to be the best then get them and pay extra if needed don't default to anything other than finding the right person.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Could we get involved in getting suns pick 5?

Hopefully but likely a few more attractive trade partners than us.

 

[Foxman98]

Is Stef even still there?

Yep with the VFL side probably a big reason Sweet has progressed so much this year

 

[Foxman98]

The role - is to develop the talls (as you note)

Therefore get the best candidate to do that if that's what role you want filled and if it costs more so be it and if Bruce is the best candidate i am all for it.

If Buddy, Brian Lake, Wayne Carey, Dermott Bereton, Josh Kennedy etc etc are deemed to be the best then get them and pay extra if needed don't default to anything other than finding the right person.

Do you understand how salary caps work? You can't just go and pay more than it,

The Soft cap for coaching is tight for us hence having Bruce on a playing one is a substantially better option then Carey

 

[Norm De Guerre]

If he is the best candidate for the role you describe I am all for it BUT do our due diligence and cast the net to make sure we are getting the best candidate.

I get sick and tired seeing other clubs assistants and support staff compared to the Dogs assistants and support staff.

I don't understand this thinking at all.

How many of of our recent assistant coaches have been poached by other sides or have been mentioned as future senior coaches?

Indeed one is a current senior caretaker coach.

Until the reduction in the soft cap. Our problems weren't ones of attracting quality assistants. They're one's of a tight arsed, penny pinching by the club that has made us an easy target for other teams to poach our better credentialed assistants. A serious look at our coaching panel in the coming months needs to address this issue.

 

[Dog 36]

Do you understand how salary caps work? You can't just go and pay more than it,

The Soft cap for coaching is tight for us hence having Bruce on a playing one is a substantially better option then Carey

Bruce wont be playing next year (knee) use his spot for someone who may play or you can start to develop.

Our soft cap is tight? That I don't understand how. If our one is tight then other clubs must be bulging.

If our soft cap is tight go over it and pay the tax but get the right people to support the players.

If Bruce is the right man to have to assist the players pay him via the soft cap and pay him accordingly.

 

[Foxman98]

Bruce wont be playing next year (knee) use his spot for someone who may play or you can start to develop.

Our soft cap is tight? That I don't understand how. If our one is tight then other clubs must be bulging.

If our soft cap is tight go over it and pay the tax but get the right people to support the players.

If Bruce is the right man to have to assist the players pay him via the soft cap and pay him accordingly.

We will be turning over 8-10 players list spots aren't an issue

Why? most teams coaches don't have the resume Bevo had hence he is on a larger wicket plus it also is inclusive of medical/physio team ect

We aren't Collingwood or West Coast we can't afford to just piss away money

Why if there is such a clear and easy loop hole would you not exploit it?

Again you are complaining that our assistants aren't good yet don't want the club to exploit a loophole which frees up more money to pay them makes no logical sense at all

 

[Dog 36]

We will be turning over 8-10 players list spots aren't an issue

Why? most teams coaches don't have the resume Bevo had hence he is on a larger wicket plus it also is inclusive of medical/physio team ect

We aren't Collingwood or West Coast we can't afford to just piss away money

Why if there is such a clear and easy loop hole would you not exploit it?

Again you are complaining that our assistants aren't good yet don't want the club to exploit a loophole which frees up more money to pay them makes no logical sense at all

Exploit the loophole YES all for it as long as they are the right person.

If there are better candidates go through the pain of paying above the soft cap (do it properly and you wont be pissing money away) or look at how you are using your soft cap.

 

[Foxman98]

Exploit the loophole YES all for it as long as they are the right person.

If there are better candidates go through the pain of paying above the soft cap (do it properly and you wont be pissing money away) or look at how you are using your soft cap.

So what is your complaint here?

You seem to have no knowledge of salary caps what so ever and seem to to not realise the effect Bruce has had on Naughts and JUH,

The soft cap was unexpectedly reduced due to covid and still is yet to be restored,

Teams then recruited our assistants making us have to replace them we have done so yet you are complaining they aren't good enough so they then find loopholes to assist i.e listing a coach as a player to help mentor and develop our talls (which he has been doing effectively) outside of the soft cap which means we can then spend more on Webb and Smith's replacments

 

[Dog 36]

So what is your complaint here?

You seem to have no knowledge of salary caps what so ever and seem to to not realise the effect Bruce has had on Naughts and JUH,

The soft cap was unexpectedly reduced due to covid and still is yet to be restored,

Teams then recruited our assistants making us have to replace them we have done so yet you are complaining they aren't good enough so they then find loopholes to assist i.e listing a coach as a player to help mentor and develop our talls (which he has been doing effectively) outside of the soft cap which means we can then spend more on Webb and Smith's replacments

Sorry I don't understand salary caps and I don't know what impact Bruce has had on Naughts and JUH.

All I want is make sure we have the best people in the right places to support the players.

 

[Mofra]

Burce is at veteran level of salary now
So wouldn't be expensive to have a culture guy on the list

Soft cap savings?
Sounds like we're going hard for experienced assistants

 

[adogsfan5]

Did anyone get the feeling from yesterdays presser that the board made the call on Rohan Smith

Rohan Smith

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? Bevo was very emotional.

 

[Foxman98]

Sorry I don't understand salary caps and I don't know what impact Bruce has had on Naughts and JUH.

All I want is make sure we have the best people in the right places to support the players.

Try and find some of the times Naughts and Marra have spoken about Juices impact on their development it is significant,

He is basically a free coach now which frees up space to afford the best people and still have someone there with a connection to the players

 

[VitalDread]

Could we get involved in getting suns pick 5?

We relocate to geelong

 

[doggies ftw]

Try and find some of the times Naughts and Marra have spoken about Juices impact on their development it is significant,

He is basically a free coach now which frees up space to afford the best people and still have someone there with a connection to the players

The original post suggested his work would be with the AFLW and VFLW team, so not relevant to our list or soft cap really

 

[Foxman98]

The original post suggested his work would be with the AFLW and VFLW team, so not relevant to our list or soft cap really

Well no it said AFLW as well as VFL which is where we develop our younger players is it not?

 

[geoffjennings79]

I wonder if those recently questioning Bont's captaincy capability, in between casting a line into the sea, would be on board with Bruce as captain to take the pressure off Bont?

Imagine to what levels Marcus could excel if he had the weight of carrying the team each week lifted off his shoulders, and could just free-wheel as he likes.

Of course, JB not being able to take the field for 12 months would be a slight issue, maybe a Gards or Robbie Mac could deputise?

 

[Mofra]

I wonder if those recently questioning Bont's captaincy capability, in between casting a line into the sea, would be on board with Bruce as captain to take the pressure off Bont?

Imagine to what levels Marcus could excel if he had the weight of carrying the team each week lifted off his shoulders, and could just free-wheel as he likes.

Of course, JB not being able to take the field for 12 months would be a slight issue, maybe a Gards or Robbie Mac could deputise?

A non-playing Captain?
Tom Jonas dislikes this

 

[Oliver G]

It’s not unusual to have coaches that have roles across both men’s and women’s programs. Matthew Clarke is the senior coach for Adelaide’s AFLW team as well as being an assistant coach in their men’s team.

If we can get an extra coach through this loophole and it’s not costing the bank it’s a no brainer.

 

[Bulldogs85]

It’s official

Utility Anthony Scott has extended his time at the Kennel, signing on for a further two seasons at the Western Bulldogs.

The contract extension will tie Scott to the Club until at least the end of the 2025 season.

Since joining the list via the 2021 pre-season supplemental selection period, the 28-year-old has played 55 matches in the red, white and blue.

His best outing of 2023 so far came against Carlton in Round 9, where he kicked three goals in a 20-point victory.
He has also tallied 11 goals from 20 games this season, highlighting his versatility and ability to play whatever role is required of him.

Bulldogs’ GM of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power

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, was pleased to lock away Scott for a further two seasons.

“Since arriving at the Club as a mature-age recruit, Scotty has played an important role displaying his versatility and team first attitude,” Power said.

“He has played across all three lines during his AFL career and continues to be reliable in any position he plays.

“Having played just over 50 games, Anthony still has plenty of growth left in his football and we look forward to watching his development over the next two years.”

 

[VitalDread]

Soft cap savings?
Sounds like we're going hard for experienced assistants

From the strings that i can gather

We are on the hunt for a experience coaching staff with Bevo new contract easing up a bit of soft cap problems.

For those about to ask, Premiership coaches get massive contract extends for obs reasons and covid cuts really made it difficult since clubs have the honour head coaches salaries vs assistant coach salaries

 

[Pocket Terrace]

I wonder if those recently questioning Bont's captaincy capability, in between casting a line into the sea, would be on board with Bruce as captain to take the pressure off Bont?

Imagine to what levels Marcus could excel if he had the weight of carrying the team each week lifted off his shoulders, and could just free-wheel as he likes.

Of course, JB not being able to take the field for 12 months would be a slight issue, maybe a Gards or Robbie Mac could deputise?

Or even Johnny Schultz on a 1-year deal. He plays an important role in boosting the morale of the playing group, so he may as well take up a list spot.

 

[hatescaptcha]

If we offered a contract to Bruce, couldn’t we then put him on the LTI list and still have a spot available?


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