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Maybe if we rehired McCartney and he changes his name to Lobbe pick 11 would be on the table again. I still shudder thinking about that offer
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Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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He’s had 100% TOG at least half of his games the last 3 seasons and is usually ~95% the other games.
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Or like this year they'll just kick it over our backline's head in transition or find a wealth of really easy, open targets on the lead.
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Excuse the intrusion, but I thought the dogs would be massively interested in Logue rather than Lobb. I know Jones has been linked but Logue would be a great get.
PS: Bont was absolutely robbed for the Brownlow last season. IMO was easily best player in the comp.
PS: Bont was absolutely robbed for the Brownlow last season. IMO was easily best player in the comp.
Am very keen on Logue but I reckon the north financial offer must be very big.
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Points system isnt a perfect guide to anything but...
2018 Rory Lobb Trade
GWS give
Lobb
Pick 14 (1161 points)
Pick 43 (378 points)
Pick 47 points (316 points)
Total Lobb + 1855 points
Fremantle give
Pick 11 (1329 points)
Pick 19 (948 points)
Total 2277 points
Value of trade is 422 points to GWS for Lobb
Approx value, pick 40
This was when he was about 25 years old.
If we cough up a first rounder for this guy our list management team should be sacked
2018 Rory Lobb Trade
GWS give
Lobb
Pick 14 (1161 points)
Pick 43 (378 points)
Pick 47 points (316 points)
Total Lobb + 1855 points
Fremantle give
Pick 11 (1329 points)
Pick 19 (948 points)
Total 2277 points
Value of trade is 422 points to GWS for Lobb
Approx value, pick 40
This was when he was about 25 years old.
If we cough up a first rounder for this guy our list management team should be sacked
If JMac was still our list manager then pick 11 no questions asked.
since we have Sammy Power, I reckon it will be pick 52 and a set of steak knives
Lobb fits the ruck/2nd fwd role that we desperately need filled. Gives a chop out to a few guys and allows Darcy to develop etc. He makes sense if we’re to contend short-term.
Logue….don’t know. Personally I think he’s a pretty limited player, albeit handy-ish and would get a game in our defence (not saying much).
Would all depend on the cost.
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I'm hopeful they'd take future picks for him. there's apparently a lot of WA talent in next years draft. Not really going to help them get jackson though if they did
Thanks - that's a very real structural benefit I hadn't been factoring in and something Sam Darcy definitely wouldn't be providing in the short-medium term (both fitness and injury management) particularly if he had to do more of his minutes in the ruck vs. deep forward.
As much as I think Naughton, JUH and Darcy is a cracking long-term mix it is no doubt challenging to manage the rotations with both JUH and Darcy averaging low 70% TOG. Having Lobb at high 90% rather than Darcy at low 70% in that tall forward / 2nd ruck mix definitely has its appeal and probably helps to ensure we don't have repeats of the occasions this year where we had 2 tall forwards on the bench at the same time.
We're all very critical of our midfield delivery into the forward line, but on occasion this year (with very little time to decide) they looked up to see Naughton and JUH in each others space, and other times they looked up to see Hannan or Khamis as the tallest target. We don't make it easy for them.
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We really need a genuine pressure forward, West & Cody provide good pressure & are strong tacklers and they also provide marking targets for smalls and Cody especially can hit the scoreboard in a big way. Naughty, Lobb & Jamarra also provide firepower, so I don’t think we need another small who necessarily hits the scoreboard and provides a marking target but a genuine specialist pressure forward would be perfect.
Rowe ain’t it, he provides just over a tackle a game & 9 PAs (and barely hits the scoreboard anyway)
Who else could we target? So long as they’re not a genuine ball butcherer & can use the pill when they’ve got it (so VDM & McComb are out) but mainly just apply a ****load of pressure
Rowe ain’t it, he provides just over a tackle a game & 9 PAs (and barely hits the scoreboard anyway)
Who else could we target? So long as they’re not a genuine ball butcherer & can use the pill when they’ve got it (so VDM & McComb are out) but mainly just apply a ****load of pressure
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This is the thing, we talk about our midfield but when you have games like on the weekend when we sent 70% of our inside 50s to ‘no target’ that’s not a ball use issue. You can be the worst kick in the world and miss your target but at least direct it towards someone.
Our forward line just doesn’t provide targets worth directing a kick too.
If we give up a first for him I'll hand back my membership
It’s hard to find a Cyril Rioli type these days. Before Castagna was a dud this season, his fwd pressure was great. Could come cheaply?
I know you share a similar thought process that I do on structure. I primarily blame the revolving door of selection rather than our personel up forward (particularly key targets). Injuries obviously to Bruce and Darcy didn't help.
I mean we go into a final with a trio of Naughton, Darcy, Jamarra who barely have played 1/2 half of senior footy together. We couldn't just get any continuity. One week its Schache, the next cordy, then jamarra is out, then bruce is back in.
I know we have the targets. Preseason 2021 we have a clear plan with Naughton and Bruce as the two tall forwards and English as the 2nd ruck/forward. It's the best we have ever looked. Even Bruce and Naughton took one whole season to gel. 2020 for them didn't work. Then it 2021 they developed great chemistry.
This football club needs to decide from day dot of preseason who the combination will be and what we will stick to. Not Bev's "spin the magnets" philosophy.
Great call. I just want players to stay in their bloody positions! Too much fuc*ing around!
One of beveridge's greatest weaknesses (if not his greatest weakness) is his extreme outside the box position changes that happen during a season in which he sticks to and doesn't change during a game.
When he should be doing the exact opposite. A regular team structure with similar personel but also having several key players with the ability to switch mid game to rest momentum.
E.g Move Lobb to ruck and English forward if English is getting smashed, Naughton to defence for 10-15 mins to stem the tide, Moving a tagger onto Clayton Oliver (like Fagan did with Berry).
We need 2 assistant coaches that provide 2 different variety of skills. One of whom that can temper Bevo's crazy impulse decisions (like moving Hannan to defence for the first time against the swans in a must win game) but also recognise in game momentum swings and has the flexibility for in game changes. As well as another coach who understands and can implement a total team wide defensive structure that has players in the right spots and with pressure on the ball carrier to force turnovers.
When he should be doing the exact opposite. A regular team structure with similar personel but also having several key players with the ability to switch mid game to rest momentum.
E.g Move Lobb to ruck and English forward if English is getting smashed, Naughton to defence for 10-15 mins to stem the tide, Moving a tagger onto Clayton Oliver (like Fagan did with Berry).
We need 2 assistant coaches that provide 2 different variety of skills. One of whom that can temper Bevo's crazy impulse decisions (like moving Hannan to defence for the first time against the swans in a must win game) but also recognise in game momentum swings and has the flexibility for in game changes. As well as another coach who understands and can implement a total team wide defensive structure that has players in the right spots and with pressure on the ball carrier to force turnovers.
How does Dev Robertson compare to Lobb value wise? He's a WA boy who fits what Freo need to add to their midfield but will be pushed down the pecking order by Dunkley, Ashcroft and Fletcher.
Just a possible solution, could see something like:
- Freo: Lobb + Pick #13 (out) for Pick #11 + Robertson (in)
- Brisbane: Robertson + Pick#15 + 2023 R1 (out) for Dunkley + Pick #29 + Pick #37 (in)
- Dogs: Dunkley + Pick #11 + Pick #29 + Pick #37 (out) for Lobb + Pick #13 + Pick #15 + 2023 R1 (in)
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Geez, Freo easily win that deal don’t they?
That’s very well thought out…but Im guessing we want something more immediate for Dunks, albeit that lands Lobb, but we’d get him cheap anyway.
I think we should be more aggressive with the Dunkley deal, see if we can pry something really bloody good from the Lions with Dunks + future 1st.
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I was a fan of the Lobb trade, particularly as when it was first floated mid-year we had issues in the ruck and at KPF.
I still think it’s a good idea but Darcy coming in at the end of the year helps in that area, as does Bruce coming back from injury (never judge a player in the season he comes back from a LTI, always the next one).
Which makes it a great bargaining position for the dogs. Nobody in the comp is paying a first rounder for Lobb, and you can count on one hand the teams that would pay a second for him. Not many VIC teams need a second ruck/KPF either.
It’ll be a third or some weird pick upgrade/downgrade thing. Anything more would be fairly stupid given where we are now. High draft capital needs to be spent on other parts of the ground.
I still think it’s a good idea but Darcy coming in at the end of the year helps in that area, as does Bruce coming back from injury (never judge a player in the season he comes back from a LTI, always the next one).
Which makes it a great bargaining position for the dogs. Nobody in the comp is paying a first rounder for Lobb, and you can count on one hand the teams that would pay a second for him. Not many VIC teams need a second ruck/KPF either.
It’ll be a third or some weird pick upgrade/downgrade thing. Anything more would be fairly stupid given where we are now. High draft capital needs to be spent on other parts of the ground.
If we can’t land Lobb, fair chance our only inclusion becomes Liam Jones which is a tad concerning.
What do you think Dev Robertson is worth? He was pick #22 in 2019 and notwithstanding he's broken back into the team, he's played 1 game (2020), 16 games (2021) and 7 games (2022). I would think he's worth slightly less than Lobb and so Freo get a small pick upgrade from pick #13 to pick #11.
With the knives coming our way!!!!
Yeah people melting already need to relax. Sammy hasn’t done a single trade at the time of it happening that was ostensibly a bad deal.
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