Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Golden_6]

Right now where Bailey Smith is at what role is he playing?

Is he playing well enough to hold down a wing?
Is he playing well enough to hold down a midfield role?

Playing him in the VFL is not suggesting anything about his ability it is more to do with confidence and at the moment he has lost confidence and it has been sometime he has lost it.

He’s not playing wing nor midfield. He’s playing at half forward and pushing up as an extra around the stoppage. Direct competition for that spot would be Garcia, McLean, McNeil etc.

 

[St 07]

2 knees in 2 years has unfortunately cooked him at AFL

No doubt can't see him cementing a spot in the 22 again, but he can play, another preseason could do him good and his mentorship alone provides great indirect value. I might be a soft touch but i'd give him another year

 

[Euku]

Crozier instead of O'Brien

For me:
Josh Bruce - delist
Hayden Crozier - delist/trade
Buku Khamis - delist
Mitch Hannan - delist
Toby McLean - delist/trade

Bailey Williams - 3 years
Jordon Sweet - 2 years if he'll re-sign but I doubt it
Caleb Poulter - 2 years
Tim O'Brien - 1 year (sadly)
Dominic Bedendo - 1 year
Taylor Duryea - 1 year

Robbie McComb (R) - delist
Lachlan McNeil (R) - +1 as rookie
Anthony Scott (R) - upgrade to main list, 1-2 years
Roarke Smith (R) - delist (sadly)
Cody Raak (Cat B Rookie) - delist (as not good enough to justify upgrade and think he would need to be?)
James O’Donnell (Cat B Rookie) - 2 years

Gives us four main list positions (though I imagine Sweet leaves + possibly someone else) and three rookie picks.

I suspect the Khamis call will be unpopular but I don't think he's up to it and don't buy the cries of, "Bev is ruining him, needs to play back" that are so prominent on here.

That being said I'd be fine with O'Brien being the out for he or McLean (as I'm loathe to lose too many in-and-under types). I think Doc is valuable for his footy smarts and leadership and I like Bedendo's talent, but wouldn't be surprised to see either of them delisted. Potentially Bedendo/McLean are rookie

 

[Foxman98]

For me:
Josh Bruce - delist
Hayden Crozier - delist/trade
Buku Khamis - delist
Mitch Hannan - delist
Toby McLean - delist/trade

Bailey Williams - 3 years
Jordon Sweet - 2 years if he'll re-sign but I doubt it
Caleb Poulter - 2 years
Tim O'Brien - 1 year (sadly)
Dominic Bedendo - 1 year
Taylor Duryea - 1 year

Robbie McComb (R) - delist
Lachlan McNeil (R) - +1 as rookie
Anthony Scott (R) - upgrade to main list, 1-2 years
Roarke Smith (R) - delist (sadly)
Cody Raak (Cat B Rookie) - delist (as not good enough to justify upgrade and think he would need to be?)
James O’Donnell (Cat B Rookie) - 2 years

Gives us four main list positions (though I imagine Sweet leaves + possibly someone else) and three rookie picks.

I suspect the Khamis call will be unpopular but I don't think he's up to it and don't buy the cries of, "Bev is ruining him, needs to play back" that are so prominent on here.

That being said I'd be fine with O'Brien being the out for he or McLean (as I'm loathe to lose too many in-and-under types). I think Doc is valuable for his footy smarts and leadership and I like Bedendo's talent, but wouldn't be surprised to see either of them delisted. Potentially Bedendo/McLean are rookie candidates.

I'm going Buku over TOB simply for durability and the off chance he makes it but other then that seems fairly similar

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Crozier instead of O'Brien

Croz won't be at the Dogs next year

 

[Dog 36]

Croz won't be at the Dogs next year

Along with Sweet he won’t be there.

 

[Foxman98]

No doubt can't see him cementing a spot in the 22 again, but he can play, another preseason could do him good and his mentorship alone provides great indirect value. I might be a soft touch but i'd give him another year

Not sure anyone else will pick him up could be perfect Footscray captain

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Roarke is not nearly good enough to justify keeping around having played 47 games in 8 years. Bit like Jong (Jong actually played 18 more games than Roarke w/one more year to Jong) there was something there but you can’t miss that much time without being super talented.

While I agree, we also can’t cut too deep all at once, which is likely to save at least one or two of Smith, Raak, McNeil, Khamis, etc this year. Hannan and Bruce may have gotten 1 year each if it weren’t for their injuries, but at this point they’re probably both done which could save one of the other fringe guys

 

[Foxman98]

While I agree, we also can’t cut too deep all at once, which is likely to save at least one or two of Smith, Raak, McNeil, Khamis, etc this year. Hannan and Bruce may have gotten 1 year each if it weren’t for their injuries, but at this point they’re probably both done which could save one of the other fringe guys

Keep the ones under 25 cut the injury prone 26+ guys is fine

 

[Sentinel]

While I agree, we also can’t cut too deep all at once, which is likely to save at least one or two of Smith, Raak, McNeil, Khamis, etc this year. Hannan and Bruce may have gotten 1 year each if it weren’t for their injuries, but at this point they’re probably both done which could save one of the other fringe guys

I'm not so sure about that. Cutting all 6 of the names listed in your post alongside moving on Crozier, McComb, Sweet and McLean would make a total of 10 players off the list. On average clubs move on 8-9 players each off-season but I think what makes cutting as deep as 10 ok is that we've also added 2 slightly older players during the season who are playing regular games in Poulter and O'Donnell.

 

[Foxman98]

I'm not so sure about that. Cutting all 6 of the names listed in your post alongside moving on Crozier, McComb, Sweet and McLean would make a total of 10 players off the list. On average clubs move on 8-9 players each off-season but I think what makes cutting as deep as 10 ok is that we've also added 2 players during the season who are playing regular games in Poulter and O'Donnell.

Most of the older ones have spent more time on the injury list then available for selection making the cutting deep point moot as you aren't missing whats not available

 

[Nat Fyfe]

I'm not so sure about that. Cutting all 6 of the names listed in your post alongside moving on Crozier, McComb, Sweet and McLean would make a total of 10 players off the list. On average clubs move on 8-9 players each off-season but I think what makes cutting as deep as 10 ok is that we've also added 2 slightly older players during the season who are playing regular games in Poulter and O'Donnell.

We still have Williams, O’Brien, Bedendo and Duryea in addition to those guys being out of contract, and I’d expect two of those four are gone as well. I’m confident there’s going to be one or two of the “list cloggers” getting contracts for next year

 

[Anja_Nees]

Presuming his body is ok, I’d keep Roarke as cover for our small defenders. Specifically Duryea, or if Williams leaves. Likewise O’Brien with Bruce done, as mature cover for Jones/Keath.

I’d let all of Bruce, Hannan, McComb, Crozier and McLean go. Khamis and Sweet I suspect will make the call for us, should have a club or two keen. 6-7 mature players is a decent refresh and would remove most of the detritus from the list.

Completes the process which started with the excision of Schache, Hunter and Zaine ‘Adonis’ Cordy last year.

 

[TiAn_]

Completes the process which started with the excision of Schache, Hunter and Zaine ‘Adonis’ Cordy last year.

I miss Zaine and the confidence his presence gave me that my body was still loosely adequate for elite football.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I miss Zaine and the confidence his presence gave me that my body was still loosely adequate for elite football.

Surely with all that activity you would get ripped for a year or two of your career, even by accident?

 

[bresker]

Two knees and a bung foot as well as numerous other injuries , you’d think Roarke will pull the pin himself before the club does . Joining the Tom Williams

Tom Williams

Age

39

Ht

198cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

0.2

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.0

1star

and Lin Jong

46

Lin Jong

Age

32

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

6.3

2star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.7

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

9.7

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

club of ‘we’ll never know what they could have been.’ Of course , countless others belong in that club in the brutal game of footy …

I was at the crappy tepid preseason game a few years ago when Roarke did his ACL . I resolved never to go to another preseason game ever again .

Roarke is/was best viewed live from level one . His manic attack on ball and ball carrier was like the veritable terrier . He may not always have seen much of the ball but he tried his heart out to get it.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Two knees and a bung foot as well as numerous other injuries , you’d think Roarke will pull the pin himself before the club does . Joining the Tom Williams and Lin Jong club of ‘we’ll never know what they could have been.’ Of course , countless others belong in that club in the brutal game of footy …

I was at the crappy tepid preseason game a few years ago when Roarke did his ACL . I resolved never to go to another preseason game ever again .

Roarke is/was best viewed live from level one . His manic attack on ball and ball carrier was like the veritable terrier . He may not always have seen much of the ball but he tried his heart out to get it.

He’s keen on the fire brigade when footy is over.

Might last a little longer than Cornes too.

 

[TiAn_]

Surely with all that activity you would get ripped for a year or two of your career, even by accident?

I’m convinced he secretly worked a full 37.5 a week at a desk job.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I’m convinced he secretly worked a full 37.5 a week at a desk job.

3pm Monte Carlos too much to resist.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Two knees and a bung foot as well as numerous other injuries , you’d think Roarke will pull the pin himself before the club does . Joining the Tom Williams and Lin Jong club of ‘we’ll never know what they could have been.’ Of course , countless others belong in that club in the brutal game of footy …

I was at the crappy tepid preseason game a few years ago when Roarke did his ACL . I resolved never to go to another preseason game ever again .

Roarke is/was best viewed live from level one . His manic attack on ball and ball carrier was like the veritable terrier . He may not always have seen much of the ball but he tried his heart out to get it.

This was evident in the 2021 GF. He was never the flashiest of players, but he was one of the few role players to stand up in every final he played, and ended up one of our best on that damned day. Fringe guys who can stand up in finals are the type you want on your list, but the fact this is his 9th season does not bode well for his chances at getting yet another contract after all those injury issues. If our midfield didn't crumble to pieces in the 3rd quarter of that GF, I'm certain we would've viewed Roarke in the same light as Shane Biggs

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm going Buku over TOB simply for durability and the off chance he makes it but other then that seems fairly similar

Fairly similar when one player has meaningfully contributed at AFL level this year and one hasn't?

 

[Mojorisin]

Fairly similar when one player has meaningfully contributed at AFL level this year and one hasn't?

Define meaningfully?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Define meaningfully?

O'Brien played 7 games at AFL level and played at a standard in 4 or 5 of them that demonstrates he has the capacity and ability to play like that in an ongoing manner, vs a player who played one game?

 

[Foxman98]

Fairly similar when one player has meaningfully contributed at AFL level this year and one hasn't?

What has TOB contributed?

He played a couple mediocre games at best and injured his hamstring twice

 

[threenewpadlocks]

What has TOB contributed?

He played a couple mediocre games at best and injured his hamstring twice

He was very good in R7 against Hawthorn, which isn't "mediocre at best" and was a far better game than any of Khamis' three games in defence last year (which was 12 months ago and people are still raving about and forgetting about his other actual mediocre games). That's just me picking out his best game this year, I can't be bothered looking through the others.

O'Brien isn't a star and may not be resigned either but it's strange that people are delisting a player who, again, has contributed at AFL level this year up against keeping someone who hasn't. We don't get to rewrite history to make a point.