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Sam Power will be on Gettable if anyone is interested
 
The top 5 looks a lot better than 10 this year to be honest so I’m keen to trade up, and like NF added we’re still getting Croft too so it’s fine IMO.

For me how keen I am depends on what plays out with the McKay compo and Norf/WCE. If the top two look like being Curtin/Reid & Hawks have pick 3 (not Norf) I’d be superrrrrr keen on pick 4 as I really could see them prefer a Duursma/Watson to McKercher because they’ve spent big on midfielders recently and their forward line is so poor.

And I’d absolutely jump at McKercher over pick 10 & 17. If we think Mckercher will definitely be gone I wouldn’t make it a priority but Duursma & Watson would still fit us really well too
 
Just on the earlier discussion on a possible bidding war for the GCS early pick - previous performance by Sam Power gives me great confidence he will walk away if the asking price is excessive. Let another club pay overs just so they can be seen to be the ones who get the deal done.
 

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Sam Power is the king of saying nothing with a lot of words.

Interviews with list managers are moot.
 
doggies ftw said:
I feel like we bid on NGAs, F/S’ & northern academy players all the time though, so I dunno if people will have that same respect for us to be honest. At the time I love that we make other teams accountable but to be honest in hindsight it’s probably pretty stupid considering we usually have such a strong F/S & NGA pipeline. I mean it might have already cost us with Marra & Darcy tbh
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Not true. Since the new bidding system started in 2015 we've bid on 6 players: Ben Keays (pick 24 2015), Josh Dunkley (pick 25 2015), Cody Brand (pick 53 2020), Joel Western (pick 54 2020), Josh Fahey (pick 42 2021) and Jaspa Fletcher (pick 12 2022).

Of the 6 we've selected, 3 have been at the back end of the draft, 2 were 2nd rounders back in 2015 and Fletcher last year. Jamarra was taken prior to our 2020 bids and I'm quite sure GWS didn't bid on Sam Darcy at pick 2 with any consideration to us placing bids with the 6th and 7th last picks of the previous year's draft.

There are a number of other clubs who do a lot more bidding than we do, and much further up the draft.

On the flip side, we've taken only 3 players under this system (West, Jamarra and Darcy). All of whom we've had to stump up a big price for, although less so West.
 
Bulldogs85 said:
Sam Power will be on Gettable if anyone is interested
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Hasn't given away to much info, seems to keep the middle ground in every question, without giving much away either direction.

Feels the first round group of draftees this year is still pretty solid, opens up after that like last year.

Says the club likes a few of the defenders in this years draft.

Not a big draft for midfielders, more so the inside types.

Admits our midfield profile is out of balance age and attribute wise. Pointed out the fact we had to match bids on JUH and Darcy, as having taken us out of certain parts of the draft, where we would normally target certain types.

Hinted we are looking at getting some more run and speed into the middle. Need to start replenishing the middle given a few are at the back end of their careers.

Smith part of the clubs long term plans.

Currently a deal on the table for Sweet. Club wants to keep him.

Only had small talk so far with Gold Coasts for pick 4. Keeping an open mind to trading up.

Waiting on the end of the season to see where all the other picks around us land, so we can make more concrete plans then in terms of strategy, pick moves, player targets etc.

Open to getting involved in the trade market, but language seems to indicate we won't be big players.
 
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Sentinel said:
Not true. Since the new bidding system started in 2015 we've bid on 6 players: Ben Keays (pick 24 2015), Josh Dunkley (pick 25 2015), Cody Brand (pick 53 2020), Joel Western (pick 54 2020), Josh Fahey (pick 42 2021) and Jaspa Fletcher (pick 12 2022).

Of the 6 we've selected, 3 have been at the back end of the draft, 2 were 2nd rounders back in 2015 and Fletcher last year. Jamarra was taken prior to our 2020 bids and I'm quite sure GWS didn't bid on Sam Darcy at pick 2 with any consideration to us placing bids with the 6th and 7th last picks of the previous year's draft.

There are a number of other clubs who do a lot more bidding than we do, and much further up the draft.

On the flip side, we've taken only 3 players under this system (West, Jamarra and Darcy). All of whom we've had to stump up a big price for, although less so West.
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Fair, feels like we bid a lot more, & almost every year but probably just bias because I only really focus on our picks
 
_Cerberus_ said:
Hasn't given away to much info, seems to keep the middle ground in every question, without giving much away either direction.

Feels the first round group of draftees this year is still pretty solid, opens up after that like last year.

Says the club likes a few of the defenders in this years draft.

Admits our midfield profile is out of balance. Pointed out the fact we had to match bids on JUH and Darcy, as having taken us out of certain parts of the draft, where we would normally target certain types.

Hinted we are looking at getting some more run and speed into the middle.

Smith part of the clubs long term plans.

Currently a deal on the table for Sweet. Club wants to keep him. Apparently Sweet was a Dogs fan?

Only had small talk so far with Gold Coasts for pick 4. Keeping an open mind to trading up.

Waiting on the end of the season to see where all the other picks around us land, so we can make more concrete plans then.

Open to getting involved in the trade market, but language seems to indicate we won't be big players.
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Played with a straight bat give them nothing
 
How good was Buku last weekend? I’m convinced there’s an AFL standard player in there but how do we get the best out of him? Elite athleticism, elite hands, tidy footskills and a solid workrate & aggression to win the ball/tackle. His tank is fine now, he rucks and gets up and down the ground all day. Those attributes have a spot in an AFL 22 but theres just no room for a medium forward in our forward line and would take probably 2-3 injuries for him to get that chance.
 
Bulldogs85 said:
Played with a straight bat give them nothing
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Which you can understand, given clubs like to keep things close to their chest and not give rival teams to much info on who we are targeting or like in the draft. So they don't try trade into a pick ahead of us if they knew we liked a player they expected to slide to them etc.

On the other hand, doesn't really give the fan base much to discuss. Have to wait for the leaks to begin in the post season about who we are linked to etc.

At least we have some indication midfield looks to be the main focus, with not necessarily inside MID, but more carry, run and speed around the ground in general, whether it is inside our outside types. Starting to feel Wilson fits the profile for around our pick 10. Not sure we will trade up to Pick 4 for a Watson type, but more a midfielder if we do.

Defence seems like it will be our secondary focus. Seems happy with our forward line given it is young and still growing.
 
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doggies ftw said:
How good was Buku last weekend? I’m convinced there’s an AFL standard player in there but how do we get the best out of him? Elite athleticism, elite hands, tidy footskills and a solid workrate & aggression to win the ball/tackle. His tank is fine now, he rucks and gets up and down the ground all day. Those attributes have a spot in an AFL 22 but theres just no room for a medium forward in our forward line and would take probably 2-3 injuries for him to get that chance.
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His last game in the seniors saw him isolated up forward wrestling with defenders while stationery and getting absolutely manhandled. He’s a player who needs to be on the move to get full use of his athleticism and sticky hands. I’d like him on a forward flank working up the ground, though I’m not entirely sure we’ll ever see him functioning at 100% in a forward line with JUH.

If we do keep him around and try him in the seniors again, I really hope it’s not in the ruck/forward role.
 
Nat Fyfe said:
His last game in the seniors saw him isolated up forward wrestling with defenders while stationery and getting absolutely manhandled. He’s a player who needs to be on the move to get full use of his athleticism and sticky hands. I’d like him on a forward flank working up the ground, though I’m not entirely sure we’ll ever see him functioning at 100% in a forward line with JUH.

If we do keep him around and try him in the seniors again, I really hope it’s not in the ruck/forward role.
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you can def see the difference in attack with Buku

VFL form his leading up and breaking off his player
AFL like he is trying to not get in the way
 

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TLDR Sam Power

  • Won't chase players just to fill up the list, will be targeted trades
  • Will be taking 2-4 picks to the national draft
  • Dogs considering trading up to Pick 4 and other deals to max the two first rounders. Won't rule out taking them to the draft
-Open mind to using their future first and future picks for deals
-Croft- reasonable year for the cannons, rate his athletism, has improved a lot throughout the season
  • Dogs have a good blend of experience and raw key position players
  • Jedd- Pleased with his second half of the year in the VFL, didn't join the full program till round 2 of VFL
-Midfield- given they brought in some key players, missed aspects of the draft due to Marra and Darcy, will focus on getting players with run and speed to boost the midfield rotation
- Treloar- Nothing ever been on record of him wanting to leave, balances his work and family life and Dogs are super supportive
-Bailey- Will always catch the attention of the media, Contracted and Important player and see him as the future inside cog for Dogs
  • Kai Lohmann- They won't comment on individual players, looking at player that will cover the ground and bring speed
  • Jordan Sweet- Deal on the table with Sweet for most of the year, unfortunate that English has played every game for Jordan, Dogs see him having a bright future at the Dogs. Really enjoys the club, old man is a Dogs supporter. Stef Martin and Lade have worked a lot with Sweet and English
  • Naughton, English and Marra- All enjoying being at the club, Dogs want to sign sooner rather than later. CBA negotiation holding up the talks. Managers and players saying Dogs have a bright future
 
doggies ftw said:
How good was Buku last weekend? I’m convinced there’s an AFL standard player in there but how do we get the best out of him? Elite athleticism, elite hands, tidy footskills and a solid workrate & aggression to win the ball/tackle. His tank is fine now, he rucks and gets up and down the ground all day. Those attributes have a spot in an AFL 22 but theres just no room for a medium forward in our forward line and would take probably 2-3 injuries for him to get that chance.
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I’ve seen a few posters on here suggest Richards could be run through the middle, giving us some burst speed and a good ball user inside 50. I’d personally be loathe to move him from defense, as I think he’s potentially an AA calibre player there, but it could be worth seeing how it works in preseason and Khamis could theoretically play in defense (Jones, JOD, Khamis, Dale, JJ, maybe Williams or another small/lockdown?).

I can’t see the benefit in playing him forward/ruck at AFL level given Lobb is there and Darcy is coming through. He’s not displacing anyone else in the forward line so something in the back half is probably the only opportunity.
 
dergert said:
Who else is better placed to trade for gold coasts first?
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Looking at the picks tables
These would be my guess
Melbourne- 15, 24, 34- allows Dees Pick 4 and 5 and gold coast get massive points bonus
North- 16,39 future second- North get 2,3 (mckay compo) 4
Dogs- 10, 17 and 36
 
Feel like with Buku (23) and Raak (20), you def need to give them another year contract

Both have developed really nicely over the last two years and are still young

Lock them down as a pure position this pre-season and let them go to work
 
hutchy31 said:
I’ve seen a few posters on here suggest Richards could be run through the middle, giving us some burst speed and a good ball user inside 50. I’d personally be loathe to move him from defense, as I think he’s potentially an AA calibre player there, but it could be worth seeing how it works in preseason and Khamis could theoretically play in defense (Jones, JOD, Khamis, Dale, JJ, maybe Williams or another small/lockdown?).

I can’t see the benefit in playing him forward/ruck at AFL level given Lobb is there and Darcy is coming through. He’s not displacing anyone else in the forward line so something in the back half is probably the only opportunity.
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Sweet is gone
 

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VitalDread said:
TLDR Sam Power

  • Won't chase players just to fill up the list, will be targeted trades
  • Will be taking 2-4 picks to the national draft
  • Dogs considering trading up to Pick 4 and other deals to max the two first rounders. Won't rule out taking them to the draft
-Open mind to using their future first and future picks for deals
-Croft- reasonable year for the cannons, rate his athletism, has improved a lot throughout the season
  • Dogs have a good blend of experience and raw key position players
  • Jedd- Pleased with his second half of the year in the VFL, didn't join the full program till round 2 of VFL
-Midfield- given they brought in some key players, missed aspects of the draft due to Marra and Darcy, will focus on getting players with run and speed to boost the midfield rotation
- Treloar- Nothing ever been on record of him wanting to leave, balances his work and family life and Dogs are super supportive
-Bailey- Will always catch the attention of the media, Contracted and Important player and see him as the future inside cog for Dogs
  • Kai Lohmann- They won't comment on individual players, looking at player that will cover the ground and bring speed
  • Jordan Sweet- Deal on the table with Sweet for most of the year, unfortunate that English has played every game for Jordan, Dogs see him having a bright future at the Dogs. Really enjoys the club, old man is a Dogs supporter. Stef Martin and Lade have worked a lot with Sweet and English
  • Naughton, English and Marra- All enjoying being at the club, Dogs want to sign sooner rather than later. CBA negotiation holding up the talks. Managers and players saying Dogs have a bright future
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This doesn't make me feel really hopeful about proper change at all.
 
So according to reports from just before, other clubs think Sydney will offer McKay a massive contract that will likely net North Pick 3, so that pushes everyone back a pick. Step one of making the draft more compromised. Not sure the system is right if losing a mid tier player nets you a top 3 pick. If another team wants to over pay for someone, then so be it. Don't reward the other team because they don't value their player enough to offer a decent contract themselves with a high end pick. AFL needs to rewrite the compensation rules.

Pick 10 will become pick 12 come draft night, at the minimum. Could even go as far back as 14 in worst case scenario.

Fremantle want a pick between 15 and 25 for Henry.
 
_Cerberus_ said:
So according to reports from just before, other clubs think Sydney will offer McKay a massive contract that will likely net North Pick 3, so that pushes everyone back a pick. Step one of making the draft more compromised. Not sure the system is right if losing a mid tier player nets you a top 3 pick. If another team wants to over pay for someone, then so be it. Don't reward the other team because they don't value their player enough to offer a decent contract themselves with a high end pick. AFL needs to rewrite the compensation rules.

Pick 10 will become pick 12 come draft night, at the minimum. Could even go as far back as 14 in worst case scenario.
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I am personally in favour of keeping FA compensation around, but think it needs to be watered down (Band 1 should peak at Pick 11 and no higher, so after every non-finalist pick). In this case though, North don't seem to even be interested in keeping the player given they haven't even made an offer to McKay. They clearly want the pick over the player, which is problematic. The compo pick should never be worth more than the player
 
You can only draw a two conclusions from Sam Power's interview.

1. Sam Power reads my Bigfooty posts.

Or

2. I am Sam Power.

There are no other scenarios that fit.
 
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