Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[go the dogs]

Here is my hypothetical for Buderic and butters. What do people think.
Dogs give JUH pick 11 pick 31
Suns give pick 6 and Buderick. Suns get an extra 150 odd points and JUH for buderick.

Dogs give 7 2026 1st 2027 1st
Power give butters pick 27 and 2026 2nd.

Gives power 3 1sts for butters and 2 2nds.

expect us to get a 1 1st in either 2026 or 2027 for sanders

 

[Ash1337]

No he isn't. Nor are any of the other names being bandied about with the exception of perhaps Mad May.

Its seems pretty obvious to me that the improvement is going to have to come from within. That will begin with teh likely inclusion of Bauderic and Sellwood. Both of whom are more defensively minded than the likes of Johansson and Cleary who will likely make way for them. And it can end with Beveridge re-jigging his game plan to stop teams getting a run on.



Just play Smith as a second ruck/interchange option then.

I rate Cleary pretty well defensively. It's his decision making with the ball that's the iffy part with him. He's probably learning under Dale so hopefully it improves in time.

 

[grassman75]

That’s Geelong money

 

[goodcop badcop]

Just play Smith as a second ruck/interchange option then.

Smith looks fine. Add 5 kgs this pre season and he is good to go. He is very impressive for a 19 year old.

I really like Smith, I think he's at least another year away from being seriously competitive though.

Reeves is shithouse.

And most would have said the same about two time premiership ruckman Darcy Fort. Not asking him to be Max Gawn.

 

[grassman75]

If we end up keeping our 1st think Dovaston needs to be a priority. We need more threatening small forwards. Looking at the Lions Lohman, Bailey & Cameron all serious goal kicking threats helps to split defences and stop the ball slingshotting out of the forward line.
McNeil and VDM are ignored mostly as they don't present a credible risk to opposing defences.

If we kick lots of goals we don’t need defenders

 

[grassman75]

Who would have known that were loopholes in the AFL rules that you drive a bus through?

Imagine Essendon were smart back in the day and paid to move the Wests across the street

 

[RWnBluey]

If we kick lots of goals we don’t need defenders

Tried that this year and missed finals

 

[grassman75]

He wanted out because of concerns with professionalism from other players. He requested a trade, was denied it, and came back and gave it his all. He fulfilled his contract to the absolute best of his ability, then departed once his contract was finished.

Bailey Smith skipped milestone games of team mates and community events in his final year, made public appearances with Geelong personnel while still under contract, and has continued shit talking the club once he left despite everything done for him.

I truly could not see how Dunkley is as much a snake as Smith. It’s not even remotely close

You can blame snakes like Hunter who made Dunkley want out because they were slack ****s

 

[dergert]

I remember we were linked to Oliver Wiltshire earlier this year. Still unsigned at Geelong.

 

[grassman75]

Tried that this year and missed finals

But we stack the forward line with more, we get more goals, more wins and make it….right?

 

[goodcop badcop]

And it can end with Beveridge re-jigging his game plan to stop teams getting a run on.

Also having an un competitve ruckman is part of the problem as to why we can't stop teams. Smith won't help with that next year.

 

[perro_loco]

What could we get if we traded Bevo? Any ideas? Thoughts?

 

[adogsfan5]

Ben Ainsworth

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Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

yes please.

 

[BigFloppa]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

Why not play English as a key defender in that scenario? He has better footskills than most his size which would be handy in defence.

 

[VitalDread]

Ben Ainsworth yes please.

Best we can do is Alex Sexton

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Here is my hypothetical for Buderic and butters. What do people think.
Dogs give JUH pick 11 pick 31
Suns give pick 6 and Buderick. Suns get an extra 150 odd points and JUH for buderick.

Dogs give 7 2026 1st 2027 1st
Power give butters pick 27 and 2026 2nd.

Gives power 3 1sts for butters and 2 2nds.

expect us to get a 1 1st in either 2026 or 2027 for sanders

We pay a big price, so probably fair/realistic.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I'll back English will adjust to the new rules and improve his ruck game. English isn't going to be thrown forward anyways as evident with the demons game. He'll be outside the 50 marking any dump kick that comes his way.

I think he'll bee one of the biggest beneficiaries of the new centre bounce rules. He's always been clueless as to what to do when an immobile galoot stands at the centre line and just steps into his space taking away his leap advantage.

I rate Cleary pretty well defensively. It's his decision making with the ball that's the iffy part with him. He's probably learning under Dale so hopefully it improves in time.

I don't mind Cleary at all and he certainly improved as the year went on. I just think that Sellwood might do the same thing but in a more aggressive and sure way.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Why not play English as a key defender in that scenario? He has better footskills than most his size which would be handy in defence.

Is he competitive enough? Easier to hide those players in the forward line.

 

[BigFloppa]

Is he competitive enough? Easier to hide those players in the forward line.

Nah that's rubbish. You have to be ultra competitive to play any position well. See Josh Schache. If he's not competitive enough then you drop him, you don't clog up your forwardline with uncompetitive players. I think the "competitive" thing with English is a load of crap though. He's not physically built for ruck contests - he's too narrow and his center of gravity is too high. When he can get a run up and jump he goes okay but when he gets bodied he gets beaten. People mistake a physical limitation with a lack of competitiveness.

 

[Philthy1]

Here is my hypothetical for Buderic and butters. What do people think.
Dogs give JUH pick 11 pick 31
Suns give pick 6 and Buderick. Suns get an extra 150 odd points and JUH for buderick.

Dogs give 7 2026 1st 2027 1st
Power give butters pick 27 and 2026 2nd.

Gives power 3 1sts for butters and 2 2nds.

expect us to get a 1 1st in either 2026 or 2027 for sanders

Yep, the price will be high for Butters.

However, if I was Port not sure I would want 2027 1st round in the deal. It's too far away to be certain of anything. If they are going to lose Butters better to get the replacements in sooner rather than later.

 

[Philthy1]

If Tim English is an uncompetitive ruckman would like to see how we go when we get someone competitive and who that player might be.


Yeah ok, Tim doesn't do as well against the monolithic ruckman like Xerri, but so what?

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

I’m keen to see how the last touch rule impacts him. My impression is this will advantage rucks like Timmy who struggle to wrestle, but are highly mobile and can leap. If I was to guess, I think we see some change in the types of rucks who start performing well. Less of the immobile lumps, with a rise in impact of even guys like West Coast’s Bailey Williams

 

[Foxman98]

I did a bit of an experiment a year or 2 ago comparing English to Rory Lobb forward, but only pulling the data where English played with another recognisable ruck man - which really reduces the the number of games, but basically it was when he played in the same side as Stefan Martin and Jordan Sweet.

The results were pretty much like for like. Again, small sample size, but I remember after looking at the stats that I was pleasantly surprised.

Small sample size compared to a player we recruited as a forward ruck and is now playing CHB suggests again he isn’t any more then a mediocre forward

 

[goodcop badcop]

Nah that's rubbish. You have to be ultra competitive to play any position well. See Josh Schache. If he's not competitive enough then you drop him, you don't clog up your forwardline with uncompetitive players. I think the "competitive" thing with English is a load of crap though. He's not physically built for ruck contests - he's too narrow and his center of gravity is too high. When he can get a run up and jump he goes okay but when he gets bodied he gets beaten. People mistake a physical limitation with a lack of competitiveness.

Alright, maybe I'm harsh in how I'm saying it, but some are definitely more competitive then others. It's not just that he gets out bodied, his follow up work from a defensive point of view is not great after he loses the initial contest. Smith potentially is a lot better in this regard, he's just inconsistent at the moment which is understandable given his age. Darcy too, whilst still slight is far more competitive when he loses the initial contest. English seems more interested in getting easy ball after the initial contest. He also lacks aggression.

 

[MaxiBont]

I may have been a bit harsh on Saints chances next year.

After they get Holmes, Smith and SDK for Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

they may get into the 8.