Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Cudi]

Outta curiosity - why would Jamarra and his management rip up a contract for $800k to sign for less? Am I missing something?

I think his manager would have convinced him you either take the initial paycut but extend potential earnings, or you take your original money and risk that being your last.

 

[Pencil case]

The suggestions of Sanders for Butts in a direct swap are freaking crazy.

Maybe for Butts and their (late) first. But only if that unlocks a Butters trade.

Even that would be a disaster for us considering their first will blow out to mid 20s.

 

[redmania]

We have to go all in for butters. Just do it. Bring him home.

 

[Smiley Boy]

Even that would be a disaster for us considering their first will blow out to mid 20s.

You're not grasping whats happening here are you? If we trade Sanders for a first it won't be used to draft a player it'll be used to get Butters

If Sanders agrees to a trade and we get another first round pick then i'd go out on a limb and say Butters could end up at the dogs by end of trade period

 

[Pencil case]

You're not grasping whats happening here are you? If we trade Sanders for a first it won't be used to draft a player it'll be used to get Butters

If Sanders agrees to a trade and we get another first round pick then i'd go out on a limb and say Butters could end up at the dogs by end of trade period

A first that will blow out to the mid 20s and not make a huge difference in the Butters trade.

If trading Sanders and our first secured Butts and Butters, I could stomach losing him, but that’s obviously far fetched and not realistic.

 

[Bald]

You're not grasping whats happening here are you? If we trade Sanders for a first it won't be used to draft a player it'll be used to get Butters

If Sanders agrees to a trade and we get another first round pick then i'd go out on a limb and say Butters could end up at the dogs by end of trade period

Butters is only 4.5 years older than Sanders as well, so it's not as though we're replacing an 18 year old with a 27 year old. If you can trade draft assets and unproven midfielders for one of the best 5 mids in the game, and a genuine key defender you do it every day of the week and four times on Sunday.

 

[Doggies7]

You're not grasping whats happening here are you? If we trade Sanders for a first it won't be used to draft a player it'll be used to get Butters

If Sanders agrees to a trade and we get another first round pick then i'd go out on a limb and say Butters could end up at the dogs by end of trade period

If we end up with Butts AND Butters, my happiness will know no bounds. I can't get my hopes up too much, if we end up with neither and just sign a Sam Frost it'll hurt even more.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Butters is only 4.5 years older than Sanders as well, so it's not as though we're replacing an 18 year old with a 27 year old. If you can trade draft assets and unproven midfielders for one of the best 5 mids in the game, and a genuine key defender you do it every day of the week and four times on Sunday.

Your avatar just shed a tear

 

[redmania]

If you're the dogs list management I would be asking about this year's first from Richmond..grab a first from them and give them garcia and our first....go to Port and go this years 1st and next years....

 

[BigFloppa]

Outta curiosity - why would Jamarra and his management rip up a contract for $800k to sign for less? Am I missing something?

He's not getting 800k next year. Dogs won't pay any of his salary if he moves and GC aren't gonna pay that. We already paid him 800k this year to not show up to work. Jamarra either takes a pay cut or his career is over.

 

[Dogsfan1]

Where keeping Sanders

 

[0utsider]

A first that will blow out to the mid 20s and not make a huge difference in the Butters trade.

If trading Sanders and our first secured Butts and Butters, I could stomach losing him, but that’s obviously far fetched and not realistic.

Sanders and our first doesn’t even secure Butters let alone both.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

If we end up with Butts AND Butters, my happiness will know no bounds.

Nor will the extent of butt jokes..

 

[Dav1d]

Nor will the extent of butt jokes..

Butts plugs a hole we have in the backline

…I’m sorry

……not sorry

 

[0utsider]

If you're the dogs list management I would be asking about this year's first from Richmond..grab a first from them and give them garcia and our first....go to Port and go this years 1st and next years....

Maybe they can throw in Lalor too

 

[Pencil case]

Sanders and our first doesn’t even secure Butters let alone both.

Exactly, so we’d be trading our future star of the comp for a mid twenties pick in a weak draft (after bids) and a fringe player who has one top 10 BnF finish (9th).

I’m not convinced Butts is an upgrade on what we have anyway, and the problem is our defensive system. One middling KPD won’t make a difference to that.

Just my opinion of course, but I’d be disguised if we traded Sanders for Butts and a first.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Outta curiosity - why would Jamarra and his management rip up a contract for $800k to sign for less? Am I missing something?

I assume because we/afl have solid grounds to sack him and rip up his contract. He’ll be lucky to get a 2nd chance at all so Jeanette taking something than nothing.

 

[0utsider]

Exactly, so we’d be trading our future star of the comp for a mid twenties pick in a weak draft and a fringe player who has one top 10 BnF finish (9th).

I’m not convinced Butts is an upgrade on what we have anyway, and our problem is our defensive system. One middling KPD won’t make a difference to that.

Just my opinion of course, but I’d be disguised if we traded Sanders for Butts and a first.

I guess we have very different talent evaluations. I don’t think Sanders has any “star” traits and probably maxes out as a very good but slightly vanilla midfielder.
And Butts, while definitely not being a star, is a major improvement over Busslinger for mine, especially because he’s a capable one on one defender which none of our key backs are. Agree that part of the issue is system based though.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Going by this JUH Current contract will be torn up and he will get a new one with Gold Coast

‘Better than half price’: Troubled Dog’s deal to be ‘torn up’ with plan for bargain player swap

‘Better than half price’: Troubled Dog’s deal to be ‘torn up’ with plan for bargain player swap

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Pencil case]

I guess we have very different talent evaluations. I don’t think Sanders has any “star” traits and probably maxes out as a very good but slightly vanilla midfielder.
And Butts, while definitely not being a star, is a major improvement over Busslinger for mine, especially because he’s a capable one on one defender which none of our key backs are. Agree that part of the issue is system based though.

That’s fair, everyone values players differently which would contribute to what we view as a fair deal. FWIW my view aligns with the club re Buss. I think he’ll be very good, and likely better than Butts next year.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Going by this JUH Current contract will be torn up and he will get a new one with Gold Coast

‘Better than half price’: Troubled Dog’s deal to be ‘torn up’ with plan for bargain player swap

‘Better than half price’: Troubled Dog’s deal to be ‘torn up’ with plan for bargain player swap

www.foxsports.com.au

So we effectively have an additional 800k to play with & Budarick.

 

[Bulldogs85]

So we effectively have an additional 800k to play with & Budarick.

Looks like it

 

[0utsider]

That’s fair, everyone values players differently which would contribute to what we view as a fair deal. FWIW my view aligns with the club re Buss. I think he’ll be very good, and likely better than Butts next year.

I think any perceived fondness of Buss is more making the best of a bad situation than anything else, the club went after Wilkie and Butts for a reason.

I was massive on Buss prior to this year but ultimately he just hasn’t come along as he should have. It’s definitely not all over but I don’t want to be going into next season relying on him to fix our backline.

 

[Proffessor]

Hey guys, Cal Wilkie, Sam Collins and Alex Pearce aren't "really good KPD's".

Reckon a late pick should be enough to convince their clubs of releasing these obviously terrible players?

Thank you for supporting my argument and undermining your own with your examples.

Wilkie played 22 games in his first year on an AFL list after being picked up in the rookie draft.
Collins played 12 games in his first year on an AFL list.
Pearce played 13 games in his second year on an AFL list.

All were established AFL players well before they turned 25.

 

[Pencil case]

I think any perceived fondness of Buss is more making the best of a bad situation than anything else, the club went after Wilkie and Butts for a reason.

I was massive on Buss prior to this year but ultimately he just hasn’t come along as he should have. It’s definitely not all over but I don’t want to be going into next season relying on him to fix our backline.

What you’re saying goes against everything the club has said, and what we’re doing in the trade period. Wilkie is different as he’d be a big upgrade on anyone right now, but if we thought Buss wouldn’t make it as a top line defender we would have gone harder for Butts, Silvagni and Young.

We will see this time next year, I think we’ll have a clearer view of his trajectory. He hasn’t had a bad game but also hasn’t dominated either. As is to be expected with a KPD his age.