List Mgmt. Trade/Draft SuperMegaUltraThread - 2016 edition?

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

So how does Duggan an Partington get a game and where? Both are developing mids and you start those as roaming half forwards. Masten doesn't hurt teams with pace or by skills, he accumulates.

I suppose we will have injuries but as i said there are a number of younger players gunning for Mastens place. At 27 and with Gold Coasts situation his value likely won't become higher.

Duggan has had plenty of senior chances this year and probably should have been dropped before he did .
He will get chances next year no doubt but not at masto expense who I agree doesn't have pace but his skills are better than gaff who plays the same role .
You do realize we play about 10 mids/rotations .
Hutch would be more likely to make way as with sheed and a fit redden hutch would be forced outside which is not his game .
Parto will get his chances he is a good young player with a great work ethic and attitude .

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Masten is vital to the team, he's essential to linking plays and opening up games.

God no. Masten lacks pace and he lacks marking ability, sure he can run but so can many others and they've got more going for them. We'd do well to find someone who provides more consistently against better sides.

 

[avishka5]

Does he accumulate that much? 22 disposals a game isn't exactly elite in that regard. It doesn't have to be one player coming in and getting those same possessions anyway, you'd hope we have multiple midfielders who step up and contribute more next year than they did this year.

Good numbers for a wingmen.

 

[Godfather32]

Good numbers for a wingmen.

Yeh I suppose when you consider Gaff is taking a fair few as well.
Alright you guys have convinced me, Masten is that good we should be asking Gold Coast for one of their first round picks.

 

[avishka5]

Yeh I suppose when you consider Gaff is taking a fair few as well.
Alright you guys have convinced me, Masten is that good we should be asking Gold Coast for one of their first round picks.

im not trying convince anyone. I like masto but i know his days are numbered. However, i see theres a position for role players in a side and good sides have a few. Masto has the endurance and the footskills to go with his great link up work. In modern footy those three attributes are pretty important imo and you need a few doing that. His performance on friday went under the radar but usually he is a top 4 ball winner most of the time.

 

[Jiggyman]

It's an unpopular opinion around here but I don't think Masten gets the appreciation he deserves - he's a better player than he is given credit for

Who cares about popular opinion, he's a good player with valuable strengths and some weaknesses that are covered if our midfield plays well. Feel as though he's a bit of a barometer; when he gets into the high 20s it generally means we're winning contests and finding space, and he's able to set us up. Seems to be digging into a few more contests over the last month as well (along with most of the squad).

 

[Boohemian]

Things must be pretty dire for Gold Coast if all and sundry are eligible trade bait for them.

Jon Ralph was talking up a potential move for David Swallow on Twitter over the weekend, naming Norf and us as potential destinations. I could only imagine the reaction of trading in another half fit bloke in need of a couple of preseasons. Subi would be burnt to the ground - which would be fitting given 2017 will be the last season at the ground

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

David swallow has had issues with GC about how they treated his knee . He went to norfs knee specialist after a recommendation from his brother and stayed in Melbourne whilst undergoing his treatment .
It's probably why norf cleared out the oldies to make cap room for swallow and more free agents .

 

[Jiggyman]

Things must be pretty dire for Gold Coast if all and sundry are eligible trade bait for them.

Jon Ralph was talking up a potential move for David Swallow on Twitter over the weekend, naming Norf and us as potential destinations. I could only imagine the reaction of trading in another half fit bloke in need of a couple of preseasons. Subi would be burnt to the ground - which would be fitting given 2017 will be the last season at the ground

Who knows what was going on up there when McKenna was in charge... So many of their star draftees have picked up crippling long-term injuries, and others want out. Swallow was regarded as perhaps one of the best number 1 picks ever!

 

[WCE_phil]

If masto is the worst player in your best 22 then you have a bloody good best 22. At this stage i think he's very important unless people want us to go out and head hunt a replacement who's a bit stronger and better overhead. At which point they will likely cost at the absolute least our first round pick and likely more. We lost one outside runner in Rosa last year and while we have some young mids developing they are likely to be 2 preseasons away from contributing at the level masto does or better.

Do people want to give up on next year and trade out masto, emac, brown, lamb and retire butler, lecras etc. etc. and maybe give up on our last chance or do we want to go in as strong and hard as we can, hope to get nicnat back around round 15-16 and push for a premiership?

We can deal with losing one of brown or emac as well as lamb but we need at least 1 as backup and if we are going to challenge for the premiership we need at least 1 more year out of butler and lecras.

Now i was big on ah chee last year as well as the year before but he just doesn't seem to have come on at all and at this stage now im happy to pass. Sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't. Ah chee might just be one of those where it doesn't all come together even though he has all the tools.

If we want to look at chasing players then another small/mid sized forward we could definitely do with, a ready made backup ruck we could definitely deal with and we could do with more power at the coal face. If dave swallow can pass a full medical i would go hard after him. I'd offer a decent 1+1 contract do daniel wells whereby if he plays 13+ games for the season it triggers a second year and i would also look very hard at steele from GWS. I would be happy and gws may even be happy in a direct swap for emac.

 

[avishka5]

David swallow has had issues with GC about how they treated his knee . He went to norfs knee specialist after a recommendation from his brother and stayed in Melbourne whilst undergoing his treatment .
It's probably why norf cleared out the oldies to make cap room for swallow and more free agents .

pretty sure port weren't happy about the condition of charlie Dixon.

its a blight on their fitness staff that dixon, swallow, bennell and o'meara have had serious injury issue

 

[WCE_phil]

Who knows what was going on up there when McKenna was in charge... So many of their star draftees have picked up crippling long-term injuries, and others want out. Swallow was regarded as perhaps one of the best number 1 picks ever!

Swallow was regarded by many as the most complete midfield junior to come out of WA since the inception of the draft.

 

[Keys]

Things must be pretty dire for Gold Coast if all and sundry are eligible trade bait for them.

Jon Ralph was talking up a potential move for David Swallow on Twitter over the weekend, naming Norf and us as potential destinations. I could only imagine the reaction of trading in another half fit bloke in need of a couple of preseasons. Subi would be burnt to the ground - which would be fitting given 2017 will be the last season at the ground

Queensland is the poor cousin on NSW

Sure they want to grow the game on both states but even the AFL's pockets are deep enough to make 4 teams super competitive so the Sydney teams get the majority of the spoils and the Queensland teams are left squabbling over the leftovers

Both Brisbane and Sydney had extra salary cap allowances but whilst Sydney's was reduced, brisbanes was removed completely. Sydney's was also higher.

Gold Coast had very generous start up concessions but GWS had ridiculous concessions. The AFL also gave far more assistance in setting up their administration so that some very heavy hitters were involved like sheedy whereas the Suns were left to their own devices a bit more

Yeah the Brisbane clubs have academies but they don't have anywhere near the same access to talent as the Sydney clubs whose catchment area includes towns on the southern NSW border which are more AFL than they are rugby

Something's wrong when the Queensland clubs just can't seem to retain players

 

[Godfather32]

Queensland is the poor cousin on NSW

Sure they want to grow the game on both states but even the AFL's pockets are deep enough to make 4 teams super competitive so the Sydney teams get the majority of the spoils and the Queensland teams are left squabbling over the leftovers

Both Brisbane and Sydney had extra salary cap allowances but whilst Sydney's was reduced, brisbanes was removed completely. Sydney's was also higher.

Gold Coast had very generous start up concessions but GWS had ridiculous concessions. The AFL also gave far more assistance in setting up their administration so that some very heavy hitters were involved like sheedy whereas the Suns were left to their own devices a bit more

Yeah the Brisbane clubs have academies but they don't have anywhere near the same access to talent as the Sydney clubs whose catchment area includes towns on the southern NSW border which are more AFL than they are rugby

Something's wrong when the Queensland clubs just can't seem to retain players

Might be wrong but I thought Brisbanes salary cap concessions were all because of their merger with fitzroy and the resulting larger playing list

 

[Godfather32]

If masto is the worst player in your best 22 then you have a bloody good best 22. At this stage i think he's very important unless people want us to go out and head hunt a replacement who's a bit stronger and better overhead. At which point they will likely cost at the absolute least our first round pick and likely more. We lost one outside runner in Rosa last year and while we have some young mids developing they are likely to be 2 preseasons away from contributing at the level masto does or better.

Do people want to give up on next year and trade out masto, emac, brown, lamb and retire butler, lecras etc. etc. and maybe give up on our last chance or do we want to go in as strong and hard as we can, hope to get nicnat back around round 15-16 and push for a premiership?

We can deal with losing one of brown or emac as well as lamb but we need at least 1 as backup and if we are going to challenge for the premiership we need at least 1 more year out of butler and lecras.

Now i was big on ah chee last year as well as the year before but he just doesn't seem to have come on at all and at this stage now im happy to pass. Sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't. Ah chee might just be one of those where it doesn't all come together even though he has all the tools.

If we want to look at chasing players then another small/mid sized forward we could definitely do with, a ready made backup ruck we could definitely deal with and we could do with more power at the coal face. If dave swallow can pass a full medical i would go hard after him. I'd offer a decent 1+1 contract do daniel wells whereby if he plays 13+ games for the season it triggers a second year and i would also look very hard at steele from GWS. I would be happy and gws may even be happy in a direct swap for emac.

He's not though is he? He's probably around our 15th best, so there is plenty of room for improvement in our best 22.

 

[WCE_phil]

He's not though is he? He's probably around our 15th best, so there is plenty of room for improvement in our best 22.

Which is my point. You don't trade out players who are more important to your best 22 than the draft pick gained while you are challenging for a premiership.

 

[Keys]

Might be wrong but I thought Brisbanes salary cap concessions were all because of their merger with fitzroy and the resulting larger playing list

They were sold as a retention allowance to help them cover big money offers from clubs in football states which tbh had some merit

Off course when Collingwood were beaten in two GFs by Brisbane and Jono brown turned his back on a huge offer to play for the magpies, Eddie stamped his feet and pushed for its removal. Brisbane have been losing players regularly ever since

 

[Godfather32]

Which is my point. You don't trade out players who are more important to your best 22 than the draft pick gained while you are challenging for a premiership.

Depends if you think we are challenging for a premiership, if we don't come close this year then who knows what will happen

 

[swooshacummings]

Next tier - Sheed, Hutchings, Yeo, Masten, Jetta & Redden

Hard to argue - bar Sheed who for mine, has given us an another option in the clinches. Yeo by far the most disappointing of the lot, Jetta close 2nd. Redden has also been woeful, I'll give him a full preseason to get back to his bullocking best that I saw glimpses of when at Brisbane.

Yeo is a defensive flanker, the midfield experiment has not worked.

 

[Godfather32]

They were sold as a retention allowance to help them cover big money offers from clubs in football states which tbh had some merit

Off course when Collingwood were beaten in two GFs by Brisbane and Jono brown turned his back on a huge offer to play for the magpies, Eddie stamped his feet and pushed for its removal. Brisbane have been losing players regularly ever since

Well, I mean if Eddie said so it must be what's best for the league.

 

[swooshacummings]

For all those kissing Lobb on the knobb .

lobb 2016
26 goals from 22 games

Mccarthy 2015
35 goals from 20 games

mccarthy was also 3 years younger at that time
I suppose lobb did get 6 hit outs a game

lobb will cost 2 first rounders and 550k+
Mccarthy will cost a second and 350k

I fought Avishka and Godfather last year on why I believe McCarthy is the best available KPF including Hogan.

I still believe he will be very very handy and would prefer him over Lobb or Hogan.

Would be the forward we need to allow Gov to stay at CHB where he is best.

2017 will prove McCarthy is the best of the three I believe.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

pretty sure port weren't happy about the condition of charlie Dixon.

its a blight on their fitness staff that dixon, swallow, bennell and o'meara have had serious injury issue

Look at ablett and his shoulder issues . They wanted him back playing and he kept having to say no because he knew he wasn't ready .

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I fought Avishka and Godfather last year on why I believe McCarthy is the best available KPF including Hogan.

I still believe he will be very very handy and would prefer him over Lobb or Hogan.

Would be the forward we need to allow Gov to stay at CHB where he is best.

2017 will prove McCarthy is the best of the three I believe.

Have a look at the McCarthy thread on the freo board. Rumours of depression, smoking, drinking and maybe a touch more.

I hope for Mccarthys sake it's all bullshit.

 

[avishka5]

I fought Avishka and Godfather last year on why I believe McCarthy is the best available KPF including Hogan.

I still believe he will be very very handy and would prefer him over Lobb or Hogan.

Would be the forward we need to allow Gov to stay at CHB where he is best.

2017 will prove McCarthy is the best of the three I believe.

do you mean last week?

i still stand by my point tho. Mccarthy wont replace Jk for us and we still need a proper marking power up forward. The fact that a new comer to the sport is already having this sort of impact is great. yes lobb is 23 and it was only recently he prioritised footy and technically still in the infancy of his career. He will get better and better in the next few years. Mccarthy might do well at freo but he wont be their big key forward. he will play second or even third tall.

 

[guero]

Have a look at the McCarthy thread on the freo board. Rumours of depression, smoking, drinking and maybe a touch more.

Not surprising given what Freo dished up this year.

He thought he was going to a contender, but just another pretender.