Trade hypotheticals

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

At his best, certainly.

I certainly don't want to see him go but I fear he's not being managed well and will seek a trade.

I disagree, I just don't think his form has been good enough of late. At his best he's best 22 by a mile and perhaps even closer to best 10, but he just hasn't been able to replicate it this season - especially since the alcohol breach omission.

 

[thetradesman]

At his best, for sure.

I certainly don't want to see him go but I fear he's not being managed well and will seek a trade.

I thought Bennell had improved since crossing.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I disagree, I just don't think his form has been good enough of late. At his best he's best 22 by a mile and perhaps even closer to best 10, but he just hasn't been able to replicate it this season - especially since the alcohol breach omission.

By managed I was thinking he's not being told the right things - as we've seen with his comments on Macrae, it's certainly not one-size-fits-all with Macca, but on the couple of occasions I've spoken to JJ he just doesn't know what more he has to do to get a game and seems like he's had enough.
It could just be an attitude problem, but it's just one thing I've thought about.

I thought Bennell had improved since crossing.

He certainly has improved. I just think at his best Johannisen is far more damaging and accountable. But he hasn't been able to replicate his pre-injury 2013 form at all.

 

[thetradesman]

By managed I was thinking he's not being told the right things - as we've seen with his comments on Macrae, it's certainly not one-size-fits-all with Macca, but on the couple of occasions I've spoken to JJ he just doesn't know what more he has to do to get a game and seems like he's had enough.
It could just be an attitude problem, but it's just one thing I've thought about.

He certainly has improved. I just think at his best Johannisen is far more damaging and accountable. But he hasn't been able to replicate his pre-injury 2013 form at all.

Is he the one that got cleaned up by Cameron?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Some estimations of value:

Gaff - pick 15-25
Selwood (wc) - pick 15-25
O'Rourke - pick 10-20
Jaksch - pick 20-30
Vickery - pick 25-35
Conca - pick 15-25
Armitage - pick 20-30
Gilbert - pick 35-45
Stanley - pick 30-40
Montagna - pick 25-35

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Is he the one that got cleaned up by Cameron?

The very same. Hasn't played well at AFL level since, save for a match saving tackle against your Tigers.

 

[thetradesman]

The very same. Hasn't played well at AFL level since, save for a match saving tackle against your Tigers.

Don't remind me lol.

Yeah he looked alright, I assume he's from WA

 

[Super Hans]

Some estimations of value:

Gaff - pick 15-25
Selwood (wc) - pick 15-25
O'Rourke - pick 10-20
Jaksch - pick 20-30
Vickery - pick 25-35
Conca - pick 15-25
Armitage - pick 20-30
Gilbert - pick 35-45
Stanley - pick 30-40
Montagna - pick 25-35

I do not see how O'Rourke is worth more than Gaff or Selwood.

 

[thetradesman]

I do not see how O'Rourke is worth more than Gaff or Selwood.

Add Conca and armitage to that list.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I do not see how O'Rourke is worth more than Gaff or Selwood.

Pick 2 only two drafts ago so will still hold good value. A bit of uncertainty and risk picking him but the scope is high. Could be a star.

Gaff and Selwood you know what you are going to get. Both proven GOP's that are never going to be top 10 players on a decent list but would fit nicely into most teams nonetheless. A late first/early second rounder is decent compensation.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Add Conca and armitage to that list.

What do you think they are worth in terms of draft picks?

 

[Super Hans]

Pick 2 only two drafts ago so will still hold good value. A bit of uncertainty and risk picking him but the scope is high. Could be a star.

Gaff and Selwood you know what you are going to get. Both proven GOP's that are never going to be top 10 players on a decent list but would fit nicely into most teams nonetheless. A late first/early second rounder is decent compensation.

Gaff was pick four and has shown a lot more than O'Rourke. Selwood was one of the best inside mids in the comp two years ago and is still very young.

Where someone was taken in the draft is very overrated, I guarantee 18 clubs would take Gaff before O'Rourke, and I'm an O'Rourke fan.

 

[thetradesman]

What do you think they are worth in terms of draft picks?

Conca 10 - 20

Armitage 20 - 30

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Gaff was pick four and has shown a lot more than O'Rourke. Selwood was one of the best inside mids in the comp two years ago and is still very young.

Where someone was taken in the draft is very overrated, I guarantee 18 clubs would take Gaff before O'Rourke, and I'm an O'Rourke fan.

Clubs would be picking O'Rourke on the player he could be not the player he is now. He's had his injury issues and has struggled to get a game competing against top end talent at GWS.

I would like to hear what value others have on these players. Its very easy just to disagree and not put your prediction on the line.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Conca 10 - 20

Armitage 20 - 30

Cheers.

So you agree with me on Armo and are about 5 picks from me on Conca. You could say we agree!

 

[thetradesman]

Cheers.

So you agree with me on Armo and are about 5 picks from me on Conca. You could say we agree!

Disagree on O'rourke though

 

[Super Hans]

Clubs would be picking O'Rourke on the player he could be not the player he is now. He's had his injury issues and has struggled to get a game competing against top end talent at GWS.

I would like to hear what value others have on these players. Its very easy just to disagree and not put your prediction on the line.

I'll do the ones you did.

Gaff - pick 5-10
Selwood (wc) - pick 15-20
O'Rourke - pick 20-25
Jaksch - pick 20-30
Vickery - pick 25-35
Conca - pick 15-25
Armitage - pick 25-30
Gilbert - pick 35-45
Stanley - pick 40-45
Montagna - pick 25-35

I like O'Rourke a lot, but Gaff is better now and has more potential.

 

[JDavey]

Tom Bellchambers - majority of Essendon are against trading him, I'm not even sure that I would but I'd be interested in hearing what others would pay for him.

Would Sydney be interested in him for Mitchell?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I'll do the ones you did.

Gaff - pick 5-10
Selwood (wc) - pick 15-20
O'Rourke - pick 20-25
Jaksch - pick 20-30
Vickery - pick 25-35
Conca - pick 15-25
Armitage - pick 25-30
Gilbert - pick 35-45
Stanley - pick 40-45
Montagna - pick 25-35

I like O'Rourke a lot, but Gaff is better now and has more potential.

Obviously Gaff is better than O'Rourke now but I disagree Gaff has more potential. As I said earlier, Gaff on exposed form, clubs know what to expect. I suspect clubs will be excited about what O'Rourke could be and the offers will reflect that.

Going off the West Coast board they would be staggered but obviously happy to get that return for Gaff. He's been discussed there in length and the consensus seems to be around the draft range I suggested.

O'Rourke I see as having plenty of potential and a good comparison on trade/draft value is what Geelong paid for Josh Caddy. IMO.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Tom Bellchambers - majority of Essendon are against trading him, I'm not even sure that I would but I'd be interested in hearing what others would pay for him.

Would Sydney be interested in him for Mitchell?

Bellchambers while I consider a less durable but better player than Ben McEvoy I think would hold similar value if not a little less seeing as Hawthorn overpaid for Ben IMO. Mitchell would be an extremely sort after player and sydney would receive offers far exceeding Bellchambers IMO. I'd say you would need to throw in your compo pick with Bellchambers to get that deal done.

 

[eaglesfan99]

Thats a tough one. One of our decent young players, trade for another 1st rounder and trade both for him and a 2nd rounder. Or maybe get more clubs involved like the Burgoyne and Polec trades

Sell wood and 3rd for shiel?

 

[nottenthagain]

I think Sydney will offer GWS their 2nd rounder for Jaksch.... it might be a piss take offer but it's better than what the Swans got for Mumford last year.

Sydney will also likely listen to offers for Membrey, Towers, Lloyd, and Biggs - what you could make of that is debatable but I expect one player will go late in the second round and then we'll look for incremental pick upgrades until it ends up in the first round. For illustration, something like Biggs for pick 35, 35 + Towers for 27, 27 + Membrey for 20, 20 + Lloyd for 14. No idea on who wants what and who'll offer what but I'm sure that'll be the strategy. We don't need numbers... what we need is spots for upgrading, a quality live first round pick and a bit of cap space.

 

[Danair]

Tom Bellchambers - majority of Essendon are against trading him, I'm not even sure that I would but I'd be interested in hearing what others would pay for him.

Would Sydney be interested in him for Mitchell?

Not at all.

Carlisle for Mitchell would be tempting if it were not for the ASADA business.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Bellchambers while I consider a less durable but better player than Ben McEvoy I think would hold similar value if not a little less seeing as Hawthorn overpaid for Ben IMO. Mitchell would be an extremely sort after player and sydney would receive offers far exceeding Bellchambers IMO. I'd say you would need to throw in your compo pick with Bellchambers to get that deal done.

I doubt it,

Longmire likes key positon players who are flexible (i.e sam reid/tippett) also all our players are mids who rest in the forward line with the exception of McGlynn who is the other way around. I would be very suprised to see mitchell go in the trade period, but if he does it will be to West Coast for a defensive tall.

 

[Membling]

Yeah but why not more goal kicking power if you have Tippett frank ill kicking 50 goals each and Garlettt kicking 30 and have your midfielders kicking goals.

Becausee Mitchelll Is also worh more than Garle

Tom Bellchambers - majority of Essendon are against trading him, I'm not even sure that I would but I'd be interested in hearing what others would pay for him.

Would Sydney be interested in him for Mitchell?

More interested in your KPD stocks than Bellchambers