Trades and draft selections

[scooter600x]

True, he would prefer to go to the Dogs for the 2011 season....

Problem is Carlton wants Players in a swap for Walker and not picks, and add to that Grigg is going to Richmond, which means the Blues will most likely want to hold on to him while contracted.

Everitt has been offered up as a direct trade, and that has been knocked back.....

So the question is what would the Dogs put up for a trade to get Walker over the line?

The solution is involve a 3rd party.

Carlton want Warnock from Melbourne

Walker > Dogs
Warnock > Carlton
Hill > Melbourne

 

[Dogs Rule]

The solution is involve a 3rd party.

Carlton want Warnock from Melbourne

Walker > Dogs
Warnock > Carlton
Hill > Melbourne

Win-win-win.

Can't see a problem with that from any angle.

 

[stefoid]

Not sure where this Jetta love is coming from, last year he managed 6 games all of which were crap, this year he only managed 11 games of which 4-5 were good, probably because 2 of them were against us. Besides flapping around the forward line like a bird with his arms out playing for free kicks he is another seriously overated high end draft pick that was picked for his speed and goal sense but like Tambling has no footy brain and is a poor decision maker. Not the critique of "an excellent player".

He played 11 games this year.

He may turn out to be rubbish, but he is 22 and I was impressed with his games vs. us - he cut us up. Stats in a loosing side were 31 possies, 14 contested, 5 tackles, 9 inside 50s and 7 clearances.

If he can learn to do that on any sort of regular basis, he will be pretty handy.

 

[Silvagnis]

Not just with Everitt. I get the feeling Carlton is a bit like Essendon in that it rates its own players extremely highly and players at other clubs very low.

If that's the case, clubs just won't deal with it.

We're not hard to trade with.

We've made fair trades for Warnock and Mclean.

The club were prepared to take unders for Fevola before Rischitelli said no.

We might want Everitt, just not for Walker who has shown more as a flanker, mid, wingman and a forward.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Carlton would not trade Walker for Warnock.

Who do Carlton want then?

 

[The Coon Dog]

Fu**ed if i know. Were really going into a Trade Period for the first time in 3 years without a specific target.

It must break your hearts that the league stopped you buying whoever you wanted!

 

[josh the gent]

We're not hard to trade with.

We've made fair trades for Warnock and Mclean.

The club were prepared to take unders for Fevola before Rischitelli said no.

We might want Everitt, just not for Walker who has shown more as a flanker, mid, wingman and a forward.

Hmm, to be honest I agree with you.

I don't think Carlton are a problem club when it comes to trade week - they seem pretty fair to me. Their deals always get done!

I think the problem trade week clubs are Hawthorn and Essendon. The Hawks' deals seem to drag on for the entire week before getting done and the n'th hour, and the Bombers seem pretty tough to get deals done with.

Carlton has a pretty good record - Judd, Warnock, Fevola, etc.

This year should be no different.

My guess is that it will be Everitt, and maybe a pick swap upgrade (like our 3rd round for their 4th round).

Everitt for Walker is a fairly even deal, a pick swap should make things 50/50 I would have thought.

On top of that, Sherman for the compo pick and Brisbane taking a bit of his salary seems like it should be ok.

That leaves us with Josh Hill and Brennan Stack - I would love it if we could orchestrate some kind of 3 way deal with West Coast and Richmond... maybe:

WB:
In - Tambling
Out - Hill, Stack, 4th round pick (74)

Richmond
In - WC 3rd round pick (45), Spangher
Out - Tambling

West Coast
In - Hill, Stack, WB 4th round pick (74)
Out - Spangher, 3rd round pick (45)

If all that went ahead, overall we would be like this after trade week:

Ins: Walker, Sherman, Tambling, Carlton's 4th pick (70)
Outs: Harbrow/Compo pick, Everitt, Hill, Stack, WB 3rd (57) and 4th round (74) picks.

Our draft picks would be 22, 40, 70.

Our list would develop as:

Outs: Johnson, Aker, Eagleton (all retired), Harbrow (GC), Everitt (Carlton), Hill, Stack (WC), Callan, Tiller, Mulligan (delisted).

- SHEESH, 10 PLAYERS OUT!

Ins: Walker (Carl), Sherman (Bris), Tambling (Rich), Moles, Hooper, Panos, Rose (rookie upgrades), Wallis, Liberatore, 4th round pick player.

- Those are our 10 ins!!

 

[Spiritof82]

Hmm, to be honest I agree with you.

I don't think Carlton are a problem club when it comes to trade week - they seem pretty fair to me. Their deals always get done!

I think the problem trade week clubs are Hawthorn and Essendon. The Hawks' deals seem to drag on for the entire week before getting done and the n'th hour, and the Bombers seem pretty tough to get deals done with.

Carlton has a pretty good record - Judd, Warnock, Fevola, etc.

This year should be no different.

My guess is that it will be Everitt, and maybe a pick swap upgrade (like our 3rd round for their 4th round).

Everitt for Walker is a fairly even deal, a pick swap should make things 50/50 I would have thought.

On top of that, Sherman for the compo pick and Brisbane taking a bit of his salary seems like it should be ok.

That leaves us with Josh Hill and Brennan Stack - I would love it if we could orchestrate some kind of 3 way deal with West Coast and Richmond... maybe:

WB:
In - Tambling
Out - Hill, Stack, 4th round pick (74)

Richmond
In - WC 3rd round pick (45), Spangher
Out - Tambling

West Coast
In - Hill, Stack, WB 4th round pick (74)
Out - Spangher, 3rd round pick (45)

If all that went ahead, overall we would be like this after trade week:

Ins: Walker, Sherman, Tambling, Carlton's 4th pick (70)
Outs: Harbrow/Compo pick, Everitt, Hill, Stack, WB 3rd (57) and 4th round (74) picks.

Our draft picks would be 22, 40, 70.

Our list would develop as:

Outs: Johnson, Aker, Eagleton (all retired), Harbrow (GC), Everitt (Carlton), Hill, Stack (WC), Callan, Tiller, Mulligan (delisted).

- SHEESH, 10 PLAYERS OUT!

Ins: Walker (Carl), Sherman (Bris), Tambling (Rich), Moles, Hooper, Panos, Rose (rookie upgrades), Wallis, Liberatore, 4th round pick player.

- Those are our 10 ins!!

Yep that's an instant way to reduce the clubs membership base, recruit some no hoper from the Tigers, Tambling struggled to get a game for them, he'd be lucky to make Willi firsts. Are the Tiggers trying to get payback for McMahon and Bowden by trying to send him to us.

 

[dogwatch]

The beauty of trade week is that you aren't ever talking about known quantities that can be measured and subtracted and levelled. You are talking about vague subjective things like potential, risk, injury-susceptibility, psychology and lots of other factors so it becomes very much a matter of personal judgement combined with inside knowledge and horses-for-courses placement of players into the most suitable club environment. So it's a bit like having a punt at the races. You see value where someone else doesn't.

Different people see a different amount of upside in each player. In theory Walker would be a better player if both played up to their potential week-in, week-out but he's probably only got about 7 years left in him while Everitt may have 10 years. If I could guarantee both would play up to their best I'd take Walker because 7 years of a star midfielder is worth any number of years of a handy/dangerous utility player. But will that happen?

Everything that has been said about the Walker-Everitt equation is true in it's own way, even though some statements contradict others. In the end it comes down to how the clubs' wheelers and dealers feel about it.

My own view is that Everitt for Walker would be about right and I wouldn't want to give up any more. But if Fantasia and Eade reckon Walker could be one of the keys to a flag then they may be prepared to pay slightly over the odds (say a draft pick upgrade) to make it happen. Collingwood traded well last year to get Ball and Jolly.

I suspect Carlton are just playing hard ball and it will be a poker game. We know Walker wants out so we know Carlton have to trade. Carlton know we're keen on Walker so they want to hold out for the best possible deal. Understandable.

The risks are that it holds up other possible trades and the longer it goes the greater the chance that someone like the Crows will come in late and trump us. Then we could end up with nothing...

...apart from a disenchanted Everitt, who would surely not renew his contract this time next year.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Our list would develop as:

Outs: Johnson, Aker, Eagleton (all retired), Harbrow (GC), Everitt (Carlton), Hill, Stack (WC), Callan, Tiller, Mulligan (delisted).

- SHEESH, 10 PLAYERS OUT!

Ins: Walker (Carl), Sherman (Bris), Tambling (Rich), Moles, Hooper, Panos, Rose (rookie upgrades), Wallis, Liberatore, 4th round pick player.

- Those are our 10 ins!!

We need to place 2 on veterans list or we have 2 less spots on the main list.

I will be amazed if we upgrade Panos and Rose when they can be kept as rookies (if at all in the case of Rose)

I would not even consider Hooper a certain upgrade.

 

[The Coon Dog]

We need to place 2 on veterans list or we have 2 less spots on the main list.

I will be amazed if we upgrade Panos and Rose when they can be kept as rookies (if at all in the case of Rose)

I would not even consider Hooper a certain upgrade.

Hammer, nail, head!

 

[maddog37]

Agreed. I just do not see "it" with Rose. What am I missing?

 

[josh the gent]

Yep that's an instant way to reduce the clubs membership base, recruit some no hoper from the Tigers, Tambling struggled to get a game for them, he'd be lucky to make Willi firsts. Are the Tiggers trying to get payback for McMahon and Bowden by trying to send him to us.

Haha, I would laugh if getting Tambling in causes people to cut up their memberships!

Tambling does have quite a bit of upside, look at how he played in the second half of 2009.

I think the problem with Tambling is that he needs a change of club. The burden of him being picked before Buddy must weigh on him a bit, and it isn't helped by him playing in a mediocre team for the whole of his career.

He does have quite reasonable speed, and I think with a bit of confidence, his disposal would improve out of sight. It's not often a top 5 draftee is shit, certainly not in recent times anyway.

Sometimes it does take the change of clubs to turn it around; case in point our past pick 4; Farren Ray.

Tambling's cost would not be great (Hill and Stack want out anyway), he has 8 years of footy left you'd think, and if it fires he gives us player that addresses our immediate needs. I think its a gamble worth taking.

My dream Doggies team next year:

FB: Wood, Lake, Morris
HB: Gilbee, Williams, Sherman
C: Griffen, Cross, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Murphy
FF: Grant, Hall, Tambling
Foll: Hudson, Cooney, Boyd
Int: Roughead, Ward, Walker, Gia
Emerg: Hargrave, Reid, Howard, Addison

Our team doesn't look slow at all, and we have a huge amount of midfield rotations to throw through with a good mix of inside/outside mids.

We have a balanced big/small attack and defence too.

 

[Beasley]

Haha, I would laugh if getting Tambling in causes people to cut up their memberships!

Tambling does have quite a bit of upside, look at how he played in the second half of 2009.

I think the problem with Tambling is that he needs a change of club. The burden of him being picked before Buddy must weigh on him a bit, and it isn't helped by him playing in a mediocre team for the whole of his career.

He does have quite reasonable speed, and I think with a bit of confidence, his disposal would improve out of sight. It's not often a top 5 draftee is shit, certainly not in recent times anyway.

Sometimes it does take the change of clubs to turn it around; case in point our past pick 4; Farren Ray.

Tambling's cost would not be great (Hill and Stack want out anyway), he has 8 years of footy left you'd think, and if it fires he gives us player that addresses our immediate needs. I think its a gamble worth taking.

My dream Doggies team next year:

FB: Wood, Lake, Morris
HB: Gilbee, Williams, Sherman
C: Griffen, Cross, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Murphy
FF: Grant, Hall, Tambling
Foll: Hudson, Cooney, Boyd
Int: Roughead, Ward, Walker, Gia
Emerg: Hargrave, Reid, Howard, Addison

Our team doesn't look slow at all, and we have a huge amount of midfield rotations to throw through with a good mix of inside/outside mids.

We have a balanced big/small attack and defence too.

Thats not a bad looking side Josh the Gent. The only question marks following the form of this season are Gilbee and whenether we need three indside mids(Cross, Picken, Boyd) however the added pace of Sherman, Tambling and Walker would cover. Just need to fit in Djkerra.

 

[PooMonkey]

How are you going to manage trades for all of Sherman, Tambling and Walker when both your first round picks are required for your Father/Sons...

None of the above will come cheap.

Everitt, Hill and Stack doesnt equate to the three above I wouldnt think...

 

[Doggy09]

How are you going to manage trades for all of Sherman, Tambling and Walker when both your first round picks are required for your Father/Sons...

None of the above will come cheap.

Everitt, Hill and Stack doesnt equate to the three above I wouldnt think...

Walker also does not equate to Everitt + Harbrow Compensation either like some of your colleagues believe..

 

[josh the gent]

How are you going to manage trades for all of Sherman, Tambling and Walker when both your first round picks are required for your Father/Sons...

None of the above will come cheap.

Everitt, Hill and Stack doesnt equate to the three above I wouldnt think...

1. Father son picks are determined prior to the trading period. The Harbrow compo pick is not part of this. Our first two picks, 22 and 40, are therefore off the table.

2. The trades, as discussed earlier, would be as follows:

TRADE #1
WB get - Andrew Walker + pick 70.
Carlton get - Andrejs Everitt + pick 57.

TRADE #2
WB get - Justin Sherman + a bit of his contract paid by Brisbane
Brisbane get - End of first round compensation pick (received from Harbrow's Gold Coast move)

TRADE #3
WB get - Richard Tambling (from Richmond)
Richmond get - Spangher and pick 35 (both from West Coast)
WC get - Hill, Stack, and pick 74 (all from WB)

All of those trades are quite reasonable I think, win-wins all-round...

 

[The Coon Dog]

1. Father son picks are determined prior to the trading period. The Harbrow compo pick is not part of this. Our first two picks, 22 and 40, are therefore off the table.

2. The trades, as discussed earlier, would be as follows:

TRADE #1
WB get - Andrew Walker + pick 70.
Carlton get - Andrejs Everitt + pick 57.

TRADE #2
WB get - Justin Sherman + a bit of his contract paid by Brisbane
Brisbane get - End of first round compensation pick (received from Harbrow's Gold Coast move)

TRADE #3
WB get - Richard Tambling (from Richmond)
Richmond get - Spangher and pick 35 (both from West Coast)
WC get - Hill, Stack, and pick 74 (all from WB)

All of those trades are quite reasonable I think, win-wins all-round...

The last one won't fly!

Hill wants to stay in Melbourne & West Coast want Josh Hill's Dad to stay in Melbourne too.

 

[PooMonkey]

Walker is an interesting scenario, as he is still under contract.

Add to that Carlton have made it clear if they dont get an acceptable trade that he will stay

Walker quite clearly wants out.....

I personally have no idea how this will play out, but I would suggest that Walker will be at the Dogs next year...

Dogs have offered Everitt as a straight swap....Blues have rejected it.

 

[dogwatch]

And we don't really want Tambling do we?

I'd be happy with Sherman, Walker and Nahas if we could manage it.

 

[StringyDog]

TRADE #3
WB get - Richard Tambling (from Richmond)
Richmond get - Spangher and pick 35 (both from West Coast)
WC get - Hill, Stack, and pick 74 (all from WB)

All of those trades are quite reasonable I think, win-wins all-round...

The last one won't fly!

Hill wants to stay in Melbourne & West Coast want Josh Hill's Dad to stay in Melbourne too.

+ there is no may in hell Richmond would accept a list clogger and a second round pick for Tambling when there is a lot of interest around him from a number of clubs, they will want either a late first round or a second rounder + player they can use for him. Tambling will not be at Dogs next year.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Why would we want Tambling over Hill?

Hill has all the talent in the world but lacks in attitude, Tabmling lacks in a lot more.

 

[TimC]

I really can't quite understand why everyone wants Tambling. Are we that desperate for pace that we want this muppet ? Didn't we get rid of Farren Ray a couple of years ago because he was quick but crumlbed under preasure and had poor disposal under preasure ? Does anyone think Tambling will be an upgrade from him . FFS.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

Dogs have offered Everitt as a straight swap....Blues have rejected it.

Doesn't mean you'll definitely reject it in a week time. Carlton will try to hold out for the best deal, and rightfully so on their behalf. Not saying I think Everitt alone will get the deal done - I suspect a three way trade - but Carlton would be stupid to accept any offer (unless ridiculously good) this early.

 

[ErnieSigley]

Why would we want Tambling over Hill?

Hill has all the talent in the world but lacks in attitude, Tabmling lacks in a lot more.

Logic is not welcome here.
What has Tambling done to impress anyone? He has an 'upside' side he started playing afl level and has never showed much. Richmond was pitiful early this season and they got somewhere by playing kids with real potential. With the change of coach at Richmond if he doesn't prosper there, he never will.