Training Training Thread 2023

[Mav]

by seagulling/taking kick outs etc

come on mate, he averaged less than 1 kick in a game. Taylor was in our 7th for turnovers last year. (BTW Stevo was 5th and Scott 13th!)

 

[The Nostradamus]

come on mate, he averaged less than 1 kick in a game. Taylor was in our 7th for turnovers last year. (BTW Stevo was 5th and Scott 13th!)

When you play half back like he did in the first half of the year and chipping sideways to uncontested player or short uncontested kicks 15-20m up ahead that usually results in less turnovers

The other 2 have far more talent than bailey and were playing further up the ground kicking into out numbered forwards

 

[Mav]

When you play half back like he did in the first half of the year and chipping sideways to uncontested player or short uncontested kicks 15-20m up ahead that usually results in less turnovers

The other 2 have far more talent than bailey

Thats not the roll Scott played. Every player has cheap easy stats in their total. All Stevo does is seagull yet for some reason you have it as a negative for Scott and a positive for Stevo. And despite Stevo always getting the ball on the outside with no pressure he was the 5th worst for turnovers.

You need to apply the same judgment criteria for all players. By your terms of reference either Stevo and Scott are both shit or they are both very good.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Thats not the roll Scott played. Every player has cheap easy stats in their total. All Stevo does is seagull yet for some reason you have it as a negative for Scott and a positive for Stevo. And despite Stevo always getting the ball on the outside with no pressure he was the 5th worst for turnovers.

You need to apply the same judgment criteria for all players. By your terms of reference either Stevo and Scott are both s**t or they are both very good.

Sleevo played that role for maybe 2-3 games that was it

I rate players based on talent and if the talent is not quite elite or high then mongrel

Bailey lacks both

 

[Roo Beauty]

by seagulling/taking kick outs etc

Ah yes, Scott taking those 14 out of a total 297 team kick outs for the year is the sole reason why.

 

[Mav]

Sleevo played that role for maybe 2-3 games that was it

I rate players based on talent and if the talent is not quite elite or high then mongrel

Bailey lacks both

but he clearly has more talent than Stevo cause Stevo is the 5th for turnovers and has more clangers and has a poorer DE than Scott. Stevo doesn't have talent he just occasionally sparkles and the sparkle of a fake diamond grabs you everytime.

 

[The Nostradamus]

but he clearly has more talent than Stevo cause Stevo is the 5th for turnovers and has more clangers and has a poorer DE than Scott. Stevo doesn't have talent he just occasionally sparkles and the sparkle of a fake diamond grabs you everytime.

Coaches may rate based on work ethic etc

And luckily those coaches have left

Sleevo is a top 6 pick rising star winner and arguably most talented player on our list. Bailey is not

Bailey is a Sam Gibson hard worker type that lacks talent/skill of his teammates

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

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They're peculiarly close statistically. Practically the same player - age, height, weight, numbers.

I rate Scott well ahead though. He can play multiple defined roles in a team. Curtis isn't prolific enough for wing or reliable enough as a forward target. He's a player searching for a position.

Was surprised how closely matched they were. Thought Curtis would be well in front on forward related stats and Bailey would have him covered for mid/wing related stats. There you are though.

Need Baily to get up to an average of 20-25 touches per game to lift him to the next level.

 

[TheBigHorne]

Coaches may rate based on work ethic etc

And luckily those coaches have left

Sleevo is a top 6 pick rising star winner and arguably most talented player on our list. Bailey is not

Bailey is a Sam Gibson hard worker type that lacks talent/skill of his teammates

Who is your dealer? If you're getting your drugs on the cheap it's surely a bargain considering how much you must be smoking when you made this post.

 

[spurs]

Anyone have access to the stats for all AFL practice matches?

 

[Caracas]

Broadly speaking, I would expect Bailey to outperform Stevo in a badly performing team. However, if the team is playing well, I’d expect the reverse. If, I was being harsh on both, I’d say one is a “toiler” and the other is a “cream on top” player. At the end of the day, one of each type is required in a successful team. Probably, no more than one of each. Both players have a great opportunity to be part of our next flag push, given their age.


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[King Corey]

How did Jaidyn come into this?

His talent level eclipses most guys on the list. Nobody else on our list bar McDonald and Shiels have gone near being a Rising Star winner or a premiership player.

 

[Frank Thring]

by seagulling/taking kick outs etc

um no, try again

 

[The Nostradamus]

How did Jaidyn come into this?

His talent level eclipses most guys on the list. Nobody else on our list bar McDonald and Shiels have gone near being a Rising Star winner or a premiership player.

MAV brought him up cos he knows I rate sleevo but you are right has nothing to do with this

The question is more Curtis Taylor vs bailey Scott for the wing

Which as per your post is very similar stat wise but I rate Taylor higher

 

[giantroo]

Western Bulldogs v North Melbourne at Ikon Park, 1.10pm

B: J.Ziebell 7 B.McKay 23 F.Perez 39
HB: L.McDonald 21 (C) A.Bonar 16 J.Goater 31
C: B.Scott 8 J.Simpkin 12 (C) K.Turner 28
HF: T.Powell 24 C.Comben 30 P.Curtis 25
F: C.Zurhaar 44 N.Larkey 20 H.Sheezel 3
Foll: T.Goldstein 22 B.Cunnington 10 W.Phillips 29
I/C: G.Logue 19 L.Davies-Uniacke 9 L.Shiels 14 T.Xerri 38 J.Stephenson 2 M.Bergman 27 C.Coleman-Jones 21 H.Greenwood 18

Emerg: K.Dawson 42 E.Ford 40 C.Lazzaro 35 L.Young 17

 

[Mav]

How did Jaidyn come into this?

His talent level eclipses most guys on the list. Nobody else on our list bar McDonald and Shiels have gone near being a Rising Star winner or a premiership player.

He came into because The Nostradamus doesnt rate Scott because of his turn overs. What was it you called him? King of The Turnover? Yet Stevo, who he rates so highly, had way more turnovers last year. So it's just another example of TN shouldn't be ranking players.

 

[Bulge]

KT in the starting 22 (albeit a praccy match) is a huge resurrection from being delisted just a few months ago.

 

[The Nostradamus]

He came into because The Nostradamus doesnt rate Scott because of his turn overs. What was it you called him? King of The Turnover? Yet Stevo, who he rates so highly, had way more turnovers last year. So it's just another example of TN shouldn't be ranking players.

bottom line is i dont rate bailey scott as he is not very talented

he's a sam gibson type

 

[Mav]

bottom line is i dont rate bailey scott as he is not very talented

he's a sam gibson type

Bottom line is, since the best coach in the modern era has named Scott on a Wing, Stevo on the extended bench and Taylor not in the side, you shouldn't rate players.

 

[Ocha905]

Western Bulldogs v North Melbourne at Ikon Park, 1.10pm

B: J.Ziebell 7 B.McKay 23 F.Perez 39
HB: L.McDonald 21 (C) A.Bonar 16 J.Goater 31
C: B.Scott 8 J.Simpkin 12 (C) K.Turner 28
HF: T.Powell 24 C.Comben 30 P.Curtis 25
F: C.Zurhaar 44 N.Larkey 20 H.Sheezel 3
Foll: T.Goldstein 22 B.Cunnington 10 W.Phillips 29
I/C: G.Logue 19 L.Davies-Uniacke 9 L.Shiels 14 T.Xerri 38 J.Stephenson 2 M.Bergman 27 C.Coleman-Jones 21 H.Greenwood 18

Emerg: K.Dawson 42 E.Ford 40 C.Lazzaro 35 L.Young 17

The whole right side of the team named (from Perez down to Phillips) are massive endorsements by the coaching team. Hopefully they take the opportunity to lock down a spot.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Bottom line is, since the best coach in the modern era has named Scott on a Wing, Stevo on the extended bench and Taylor not in the side, you shouldn't rate players.

fully fit taylor to replace scott shortly likewise TT

 

[king rising]

Didn’t Clarkson say in Inner North that Tucker was being held back one more week i.e could’ve played last week? Where the hell is Corr and why is he always behind?

 

[RoovolverUpstairs]

Based on these past few preseason games we should count ourselves lucky that St Kilda decided not to stooge us with Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

; he's looked absolutely awful to start the year, reckon he might legit be cooked from all his injuries

 

[muttley45]

I thought i remembered Bailey's Scott's tackle on Aarts late in last Q big reason we won v Tigers last year, go to Footywire to check his stat's, 26 disposals, 6 marks, a clearance, and a goal, but zero tackles, am i mistaken, or them ?

 

[Sticksphat]

bottom line is i dont rate bailey scott as he is not very talented

he's a sam gibson type

No, the bottom line is that because he isn't a flashy type, you ignore everything else he does. If you don't think Clarko wants a few of the Gibson/Scott (dare I say Zeibell/Turner) types in his side you're delusional.