Transfer discussion thread

[Jatz]

Will be pissed if we replace a home grown Chalobah with Drinkwater

Why would home grown be a factor there?

 

[moomba]

I don't agree that selling good players can't be a positive thing for a club. Particularly when you're getting over the odds as you would be in this case.

Also don't believe Keita is off the table. Every player has a price.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Because the England national team doesn't play with wingbacks.

Raises the question, should they?

Why not adapt the national team to play in a way in which the players in it play.
Let's face it, the full backs will should be Walker and Rose. Not just in defence either, Southgate should be adapting the formation and tactics to suit the team and their strengths.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If thats what he's really worried about then you should be kicking him to the curb.

Why? All players are going to do what's best for them, regardless of whether it's on the left or right he's no more than 3rd in line. Rose/Bertrand and Walker/Clyne. All players on the fringes of the national team will seek to make moves that helps them get into the World Cup squad, it was a contributing factor in Judas leaving btw as we couldn't give CL football that Sven thought he should be getting.

This happens every 4 years and I suspect a reason Barkley wants out too but bizarrely he's linked with clubs that aren't going to make that better for him

 

[Cooldude]

Money isn't the object with buying Keita, it's Rangnick who has made it his personal mission not to sell Keita because his agents are the same ones that forced his hand when Mane went to Soton from Salzburg

 

[jod23]

I don't agree that selling good players can't be a positive thing for a club. Particularly when you're getting over the odds as you would be in this case.

Also don't believe Keita is off the table. Every player has a price.

Hasnt seemed that way with Keita and RB Leipzig. They've been adamant he's not for sale from the beginning and rejected every bid we made.

Selling good players is fine. Selling your best players. Not so much.

 

[chef]

Why? All players are going to do what's best for them, regardless of whether it's on the left or right he's no more than 3rd in line. Rose/Bertrand and Walker/Clyne. All players on the fringes of the national team will seek to make moves that helps them get into the World Cup squad, it was a contributing factor in Judas leaving btw as we couldn't give CL football that Sven thought he should be getting.

This happens every 4 years and I suspect a reason Barkley wants out too but bizarrely he's linked with clubs that aren't going to make that better for him

Because his 'job' is to play for Arsenal, they are the ones paying his wage. If hes not wanting to play where hes best for the team then its time for him to be kicked to the curb and bring in someone who is willing.

 

[FAITH]

Neymar on 515k a week - after tax. Mental.

According to pants and mou he's worth it, not expensive.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Because his 'job' is to play for Arsenal, they are the ones paying his wage. If hes not wanting to play where hes best for the team then its time for him to be kicked to the curb and bring in someone who is willing.

They are, let's be realistic, unless you're a child prodigy that's a gun from a very young age (Messi) you're unlikely to be in the national team for more than 2-4 World Cup cycles, by the 2022 WC he will be nearly 29. He's got to strike while the iron is hot and let's face it, England's CM is hardly strong is it..

Picked a really odd time to draw a line in the sand I must say Chef. No issues with repeatedly loaning players for years but draw the line at players trying to get in their national team before a world cup, why do you think Wilshere asked for a loan 12 months ago... for shits and gigs just so he could be with his pal Afobe?

 

[moomba]

I disagree on Keita. Everyone has a price. But even presuming he's not available you going to be able to get a more than adequate replacement with your existing funds topped up with a big sale.

 

[pantskyle]

La Liga have refused PSGs payment.

 

[moomba]

La Liga have refused PSGs payment.

He should be deregistered by FIFA then.

 

[Magma]

just means psg have to pay + the taxes now i believe. la liga need to make sure they make their cut. while whinging about the deal all the way.

 

[Zidane98]

La Liga have refused PSGs payment.

Only the player can pay his buyout clause. They have to pay Neymar first and Neymar has to then pay his release clause himself.

PSG did try and agree to a normal transfer but Barca aren't having a bar of it. Of course PSG paying Neymar to pay his release clause throws up a whole host of tax issues...

 

[Gak Attack]

Huh? He'd the hardest to replace. He's the guy who pulls all the strings. Not to mention he's a big game player.

The problem with 100m is that we've seen from this window that it doesnt get you very much. We still wont get Keita and who in world football, even if we threw the whole 100 million at could we get right now to fill the hole Coutinho would leave.

It's just not good business. Particularly considering we just dont need the 100 million dollars. I mean we've quite clearly got stack of money, we were just throwing 70-80 at RB Leipzig for Keita.

No way we sell. But Being Liverpool could still yet happen.

As I said only if we don't being Liverpool it. Im against selling now but i think the writing is on the wall, if a really huge offer comes in you have to consider it. Hopefully if we hold onto him PSG and Barca are both interested next year and we get a bidding war.

I'll try and simplify it as I obviously didn't explain myself well enough. I didn't mean a like for like but positional replacement wise, in that there's more players about who could play his role, we even have Lallana. He is a great player and big game player but probably getting some of the liverpool fan massively over rating, he's not on the Suarez level of ****ing us if he left.

 

[Jatz]

I don't understand how 'La Liga' can do that?

 

[Zidane98]

I don't understand how 'La Liga' can do that?

Quite simple really. La Liga rules state contract buyouts must be paid by the player himself. Payment from a club will not be accepted. Really daft move on PSG's behalf, they surely were aware of this.

 

[chef]

Picked a really odd time to draw a line in the sand I must say Chef. No issues with repeatedly loaning players for years but draw the line at players trying to get in their national team before a world cup, why do you think Wilshere asked for a loan 12 months ago... for shits and gigs just so he could be with his pal Afobe?

Not sure thats even comparable but ok. If a Chelsea player did the same I'd have the same opinion.

 

[Jatz]

Quite simple really. La Liga rules state contract buyouts must be paid by the player himself. Payment from a club will not be accepted. Really daft move on PSG's behalf, they surely were aware of this.

So all they have to do is transfer the money to Neymar and he pays it. Should take an hour max, no?

 

[largebus]

Raises the question, should they?

Why not adapt the national team to play in a way in which the players in it play.
Let's face it, the full backs will should be Walker and Rose. Not just in defence either, Southgate should be adapting the formation and tactics to suit the team and their strengths.

A team playing to its strengths? Come now, Southgate may be good but he's no Woy Hodgson

 

[wadistance]

So all they have to do is transfer the money to Neymar and he pays it. Should take an hour max, no?

Takes less than 2 minutes if you’re both with westpac

 

[Zidane98]

So all they have to do is transfer the money to Neymar and he pays it. Should take an hour max, no?

It's not that simple. That transfer then can be considered income and taxes need to be settled first etc etc.

Plus transferring 200m pounds just doesnt happen in an hour!!

 

[Magma]

so either neymar pays it himself or fifa step in a tell la liga to get over themselves.

 

[Jatz]

It's not that simple. That transfer then can be considered income and taxes need to be settled first etc etc.

Plus transferring 200m pounds just doesnt happen in an hour!!

Does it not? I have no experience in transferring that much I assume the Qatari's do though.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's not that simple. That transfer then can be considered income and taxes need to be settled first etc etc.

Plus transferring 200m pounds just doesnt happen in an hour!!

http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united

“The tax administration has ruled that the payment from the club on behalf of the player is now no longer considered income but a capital gain for the player,” Pecourt explains.

“That difference is very important because now when a player fills in his personal income tax, he can point to this capital gain as a loss because he paid the money to his former club. You can not offset as a salary as a loss, but you can if it’s defined as a capital gain.”