Transfer discussion thread

[Magma]

Spanish law or Euro law? Part of restraint of trade?

spanish. it's a big benefit to the bigger clubs who can put massive fees on their players and then pick over other teams for their best talents.

 

[FAITH]

Vince Lia close to AU.
not sure what to think of it, thoughts?

 

[Zidane98]

Vince Lia close to AU.
not sure what to think of it, thoughts?

AU ruining football

 

[go you pups]

spanish. it's a big benefit to the bigger clubs who can put massive fees on their players and then pick over other teams for their best talents.

Why is it that it seems only 4 clubs in Barca, RM, Atletico and Athletic Bilbao put massive release clauses on their players?

I can understand Bilbao doing it because it's extremely hard replacing their best players who are sold out of there due to their extreme cantera policy, but why not other clubs?

 

[FAITH]

AU ruining football

missed mauk to citeh grp, so go for lia

 

[elhadjihenry]

seeing as neymar's is now the currency of choice, im going to need every transfer converted into neymar's

I would be happy with an offer higher than 0.333*Neymar for Sanchez.

 

[jd2010]

Why is it that it seems only 4 clubs in Barca, RM, Atletico and Athletic Bilbao put massive release clauses on their players?

I can understand Bilbao doing it because it's extremely hard replacing their best players who are sold out of there due to their extreme cantera policy, but why not other clubs?

Players agents tend to want their players to have attainable clauses at all the other clubs

 

[Established1870]

Why is it that it seems only 4 clubs in Barca, RM, Atletico and Athletic Bilbao put massive release clauses on their players?

I can understand Bilbao doing it because it's extremely hard replacing their best players who are sold out of there due to their extreme cantera policy, but why not other clubs?

Valencia used to before their debt caught up with them. For awhile you could've replaced Atletico with Valencia on that list. Sevilla still have big debt and need to solve that. Real Sociedad produce plenty of quality players who they can sell on for a profit. Villarreal are what Soton want to be and they're always fine financially because they sell off one or two players for big fees.

Everyone else in Spain needs to sell one or two players a season due to having no money. That's because for so long 2 clubs in particular hogged all the tv money leaving everyone else with money that an SANFL club would make.

 

[go you pups]

I still don't get why all clubs don't do it in La Liga?

Lets make an example of say Benat, he was Real Betis's best player back 5-6 years ago, he moves back to Bilbao for only €8m in 2013, an absolute bargain and Bilbao have got 4 decent seasons out of him since.

Why should say Benat's release clause at Real Betis be only €8m, whereas if he played for a Atletico or a Bilbao instead at the time when he moved his clause would've been say around €40m? Like what Javi Martinez's was. Llorente's was about 30-40m around then also. Inaki Williams' clause is €50m apparently now.

Why can't all clubs do it if their players are good enough to demand a big clause? That's what I don't get.

Why should an unproven kid like Theo Hernandez who was good out on loan for only one season have €30m slapped on his head, just because he plays for Atletico? The clubs who own the players only need to sell if their clauses are bought, why not hike the prices up on your crown jewels, instead of letting them go for paltry fees?

 

[Cooldude]

Really, didn't know that.

Yeah all La Liga players have minimum clauses

Neymar's clause is suppose to be ridiculous with no one able to trigger it but the market's gone insane

 

[go you pups]

Yeah all La Liga players have minimum clauses

Neymar's clause is suppose to be ridiculous with no one able to trigger it but the market's gone insane

Isn't CR7s 1 billion euros?

 

[Established1870]

Lets make an example of say Benat, he was Real Betis's best player back 5-6 years ago, he moves back to Bilbao for only €8m in 2013, an absolute bargain and Bilbao have got 4 decent seasons out of him since.

Why should say Benat's release clause at Real Betis be only €8m, whereas if he played for a Atletico or a Bilbao instead at the time when he moved his clause would've been say around €40m?

Benat was pure anus for Athletic when he first went there so it's not like that was a bargain. On top of that, Real Betis were in massive debt and needed to sell players like him to raise money. A better example is someone like Roque who's gone from Las Palmas to Swansea (**** that) for 10 million Euros despite being one of the best deep playmakers in Spain and with LP having no financial problems.

Why can't all clubs do it if their players are good enough to demand a big clause? That's what I don't get.

Why should an unproven kid like Theo Hernandez who was good out on loan for only one season have €30m slapped on his head, just because he plays for Atletico? The clubs who own the players only need to sell if their clauses are bought, why not hike the prices up on your crown jewels, instead of letting them go for paltry fees?

Because clubs in Spain (and a lot of other countries) use their academies to produce players who can be sold for a hefty fee to keep their financials healthy. It's ****ed in Spain because a lot of clubs wouldn't be in financial trouble all the time if clubs got equal TV revenue. The Spanish system is fixed to make sure Real and Barca stay at the top.

 

[Magma]

I still don't get why all clubs don't do it in La Liga?

Lets make an example of say Benat, he was Real Betis's best player back 5-6 years ago, he moves back to Bilbao for only €8m in 2013, an absolute bargain and Bilbao have got 4 decent seasons out of him since.

Why should say Benat's release clause at Real Betis be only €8m, whereas if he played for a Atletico or a Bilbao instead at the time when he moved his clause would've been say around €40m? Like what Javi Martinez's was. Llorente's was about 30-40m around then also. Inaki Williams' clause is €50m apparently now.

Why can't all clubs do it if their players are good enough to demand a big clause? That's what I don't get.

Why should an unproven kid like Theo Hernandez who was good out on loan for only one season have €30m slapped on his head, just because he plays for Atletico? The clubs who own the players only need to sell if their clauses are bought, why not hike the prices up on your crown jewels, instead of letting them go for paltry fees?

the typical basque loyalty with bilbao plays a factor i think. as well as bilbao generally produce a higher level of footballer than others, and due to their transfer policy, they need to get massive, massive fees from their stars. a club like betis can't slap massive fees on their players (like ceballos) and then demand 50 mil for them. they need to sell him for the 20 mil or so madrid offer, because due to spain's finances, that 20 mil is a lot more valuable to them than ceballos.

 

[Genesis67]

Because clubs in Spain (and a lot of other countries) use their academies to produce players who can be sold for a hefty fee to keep their financials healthy. It's ****** in Spain because a lot of clubs wouldn't be in financial trouble all the time if clubs got equal TV revenue. The Spanish system is fixed to make sure Real and Barca stay at the top.

Strictly speaking, the Spanish system is fixed purely for Real Madrid to stay on top. Politically, stupid as it sounds, Barca are the 'underdogs'. They've just reached the point where economically, the La Liga need them to be strong.

 

[jd2010]

I still don't get why all clubs don't do it in La Liga?

Lets make an example of say Benat, he was Real Betis's best player back 5-6 years ago, he moves back to Bilbao for only €8m in 2013, an absolute bargain and Bilbao have got 4 decent seasons out of him since.

Why should say Benat's release clause at Real Betis be only €8m, whereas if he played for a Atletico or a Bilbao instead at the time when he moved his clause would've been say around €40m? Like what Javi Martinez's was. Llorente's was about 30-40m around then also. Inaki Williams' clause is €50m apparently now.

Why can't all clubs do it if their players are good enough to demand a big clause? That's what I don't get.

Why should an unproven kid like Theo Hernandez who was good out on loan for only one season have €30m slapped on his head, just because he plays for Atletico? The clubs who own the players only need to sell if their clauses are bought, why not hike the prices up on your crown jewels, instead of letting them go for paltry fees?

All the clubs you mention with paltry release clauses need them to be met every couple of transfer windows to be able to afford to pay the bills

 

[Established1870]

Strictly speaking, the Spanish system is fixed purely for Real Madrid to stay on top. Politically, stupid as it sounds, Barca are the 'underdogs'. They've just reached the point where economically, the La Liga need them to be strong.

You're not wrong but I would argue that after Franco died, Barca got just as much leeway. La Liga would shit themselves if Catalonia got independence (same with Basque Country).

 

[go you pups]

Benat was pure anus for Athletic when he first went there so it's not like that was a bargain. On top of that, Real Betis were in massive debt and needed to sell players like him to raise money. A better example is someone like Roque who's gone from Las Palmas to Swansea (**** that) for 10 million Euros despite being one of the best deep playmakers in Spain and with LP having no financial problems.

So why doesn't Las Palmas slap €30m on his head do he can be retained for a few more years?

Illarrimendi cost RM about 30m or something yeah? Sociedad got a few decent years out of him before he was bought.

Because clubs in Spain (and a lot of other countries) use their academies to produce players who can be sold for a hefty fee to keep their financials healthy. It's ****** in Spain because a lot of clubs wouldn't be in financial trouble all the time if clubs got equal TV revenue. The Spanish system is fixed to make sure Real and Barca stay at the top.

Yes I realise this, same shit in Portugal with Porto and Benfica and to a lesser extent Sporting CP, but why don't minnow clubs get tougher against the big boys with their guns, like say Atletico, Bilbao and Sociedad do and slap the big clause on them? All they have to do is pay their wages and hope a big club comes sniffing = profit

Like ****, Atleticos players are on a pittance compared to many PL teams players, apparently Atleticos winning title campaign squad was paid less than what Newcastle's was that year, it doesn't mean Atleticos players are worth less in the market than Newcastle's though.

 

[go you pups]

All the clubs you mention with paltry release clauses need them to be met every couple of transfer windows to be able to afford to pay the bills

They would still be met if said player was good enough, which many of them are.

 

[Genesis67]

You're not wrong but I would argue that after Franco died, Barca got just as much leeway. La Liga would shit themselves if Catalonia got independence (same with Basque Country).

Good call. Franco died, Barca was given an inch and took 15 miles.

 

[wadistance]

You're not wrong but I would argue that after Franco died, Barca got just as much leeway. La Liga would shit themselves if Catalonia got independence (same with Basque Country).

What would actually happen then? Would FC Barcelona as we know it cease to exist?

 

[FAITH]

Mou on Neymar transfer: 'he is worth it, it is not expensive'

Klopp on Neymar: 'its ridiculous, i hope things dont go down that track from now on. but who knows'

Shows how delusional mou is.

 

[pantskyle]

Mou on Neymar transfer: 'he is worth it, it is not expensive'

Klopp on Neymar: 'its ridiculous, i hope things dont go down that track from now on. but who knows'

Shows how delusional mou is.

Why is he delusional? He is actually correct.

It's not just a transfer fee, PSG are buying one of the top 5 most marketable football players in the world and one of the most marketable sportsman in the world. They would have crunched the numbers, at some point the transfer will pay for itself.

PSG is the most talked about sporting team in the world right now and they haven't even completed the deal. It's printing money.

He also said the fee is expensive in the fact that we now will get more players going for 60m and more when they aren't worth that, because Neymar commercially being worth it.

 

[Zidane98]

T

Why is he delusional? He is actually correct.

It's not just a transfer fee, PSG are buying one of the top 5 most marketable football players in the world and one of the most marketable sportsman in the world. They would have crunched the numbers, at some point the transfer will pay for itself.

PSG is the most talked about sporting team in the world right now and they haven't even completed the deal. It's printing money.

Spending 475m over 5 years (transfer fee / wages) on a player is certainly not a money making exercise for PSG or ever will be. Qatar don't crunch numbers, they don't just don't give a shit with a sovereign wealth fund worth $256 billion.

This transfer will never get close to be a money making exercise for PSG. And while PSG are getting talked about now much of that publicity is highly negative.

 

[pantskyle]

T


Spending 475m over 5 years (transfer fee / wages) on a player is certainly not a money making exercise for PSG or ever will. Qatar don't crunch numbers, they don't just don't give a shit with a sovereign wealth fund of $256 billion.

This transfer will never get close to be a money making exercise for PSG. And while PSG are getting talked about now much of that publicity is highly negative.

No offence mate but you're so completely flustered by all this you wouldn't have a clue. I never said it would make them money, I said at some point the transfer would pay for itself, in 5 years time I don't think PSG are going to care that they ended up only paying wages. They could make 50m a year commercially from Neymar (very feasible).

Expect to see Neymars face on your toothbrush.

 

[Established1870]

What would actually happen then? Would FC Barcelona as we know it cease to exist?

A few things could happen:

1) They stay in La Liga even though they're a part of another country. Also gives a few people north of Tyneside even more reasons as to why their clubs should be in England.

2) They form a new league in Catalonia with Espanyol, Girona and whoever else.

3) They play in France (IMO this is the least likely but it has been floated by Aulas and a few others). More likely to see Basque Country clubs move over to France if they get independence.