Transgender - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[CM86]

I don't know who you think you're talking to, but that ain't me.

I think I'm replying to Shandog.

You're welcome to dispute any single thing in my post.

You know who I am, which is why you actively used your former powers to restrict my speech.

My point is, if you disagree with anything I posted, please engage with it.
Don't just plead ignorance, as is your natural position.

 

[ShanDog]

I think I'm replying to Shandog.

You're welcome to dispute any single thing in my post.

You know who I am, which is why you actively used your former powers to restrict my speech.

My point is, if you disagree with anything I posted, please engage with it.
Don't just plead ignorance, as is your natural position.

Ah, so you're jaded for some past perceived indiscretion which I've likely never thought about since. Got it.

For starters, I'm not religious. I also posted a lengthy post outlining all my thoughts or positions which you can find on page 5.

 

[Engimal v3]

Haha this is some funny stuff... The yes voters are also pro Tran [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Don't forget the stop oil needs attending soon guys.

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Is there anything to conservatism other than opposing whatever the libs like?

 

[evolved2]

I often wonder why bisexual people seem distrusted by some gays and lesbians? Is it because bisexuals are seen by them as 'having an each way bet' and not committing to one team?

Hardly fair.

Is that actually a thing?

I've been a bi manwhore for many years who's maybe encountered that once. One man told me to choose, and I said I choose both.

 

[Chief]

So, just we're clear:

• Same-sex attracted females (formally known as "lesbians") seek to hold a female-only public event: Bigotry.
• Dude muses about violently executing those females: In the circumstances, the "look what she made me do" defence applies.

Thanks, Chief. Makes sense.

You're not likely to have been clear about anything in your life.

 

[Engimal v3]

So, just we're clear:

• Same-sex attracted females (formally known as "lesbians") seek to hold a female-only public event: Bigotry.
• Dude muses about violently executing those females: In the circumstances, the "look what she made me do" defence applies.

Thanks, Chief. Makes sense.

I'll hang Gough if that'll stop you whinging

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Is that actually a thing?

I've been a bi manwhore for many years who's maybe encountered that once. One man told me to choose, and I said I choose both.

That's why I only said 'some'. It's not a widespread attitude at all... but it exists.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I'll hang Gough if that'll stop you whinging

Hear that, Gough? Enigmal 's gonna get you well hung!

 

[tastiger]

Trans rights and Indigenous rights are both just human rights in the end, why would you argue for one but not the other?

Trans rights [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

What rights do these people miss out on?

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[gouki88]

Trans rights [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

What rights do these people miss out on?

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Rhetorical question, but are you thick?

 

[Chief]

Rhetorical question, but are you thick?

He's practicing his Twitter skills in SRP. You'd know him by his handle Bob376268200

A quick explainer:

 

[Chief]

(Nah just kidding it's the lead )

 

[dumb]

Watching the Spotlight show again now on 7 plus. The presenter's name is Liam Bartlett. I think that transitioning, as in full reassignment, is not the solution for eveyone. Among all the stories the Spotlight show highlights all I see is pain. People wondering where they fit in in life and so desperately unhappy with who they were at the time.

Some such as Courtney couldn't deal with how the hormones were making them feel and ultimately decided it wasn't worth it for them. Understandable. Others sought assurance from voices online and thought a permanent solution would solve that confusion only to reconsider later. Again, understandable.

There are no easy solutions, as each person is at a different stage and in a different mindset. There is no 'all one way or the other' on a spectrum and so there are no 'one solution fits all' answers to be found here.

The thing is, for many it IS the answer. I read that in the US an extreme minority regret transitioning;


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For every story of regret how many stories of success?

It is a tough situation regarding age, I admit. At twelve years of age how many of us can say we want permanent change in life? I think there is scope for more non-permanent gender exploration at that age, but what of parents who refuse to even acknowledge that transitioning may be a solution for their son or daughter's pain? Are the parents' beliefs then detrimental to their child's overall welfare?

What happens then?

Again, there are no 'one solution fits all' answers here. And there won't be any solutions to find at all unless there is raw data to study. Practical as well as academic. To know if a solution is wrong or right one must have examples to learn from.

some time ago i did some online research about de-transitioning, both case studies that were around but also seeing what was being said at the reddit coalface.
a medical approach will try the least invasive approach where possible. often this has meant srs is slated after a prescribed period of some sort of counselling. statistics have shown there's times in the course of this counselling, that people can feel their issues no longer pertain and they no longer feel a need to surgically transition. others go onto their reassignment surgery.
it's the person's happiness that is the priority, transition / surgery is just a means toward that. it's medically sound to explore options that involve a person becoming 'happy' without requiring knives or pills. we should explore what our issues are and whether they may remain in our various possible states.

i've watched some very upset people on youtube who either de-transition or cease transitioning. this is my fear, for some people their bodies undergo unrecoverable changes on hormones and there's some things that can never be as they were initially.
i will never stop people doing what they feel is right as it is their right, i just worry if they change their mind. and i am always thinking about the rate of attempted suicide.
it's not a lot of people that have to deal with the changes their bodies have undergone when they de-transition. their deep voice will remain from a course of hormones, the hair that fell out as a man won't grow back when de-transitioning to female. these are possibilities that exist before someone's gone anywhere near a scalpel. anecdotally de-transitioners are on the outer within people exploring their gender. i can only imagine how lonely and wretched they feel.

 

[the_interloper]

I often wonder why bisexual people seem distrusted by some gays and lesbians? Is it because bisexuals are seen by them as 'having an each way bet' and not committing to one team?

Hardly fair.

I didn’t know about this one. Maybe they’re jealous that they can go to a party and theoretically pick up 100% of the people there, wouldn’t be a bad scenario really.

 

[the_interloper]

Martial Arts Association Changes Policy To EXCLUDE Trans-Identified Males After Females Drop Out - The Publica

The world's largest submission grappling association has abandoned its gender self-identification policy after a damning report was released yesterday revealing that only males competed in a women's division at a recent tournament. The North American Grappling Association (NAGA) is the largest...

www.thepublica.com

North American Grappling Association changing their policy to make transgender women compete in the men's division, at a recent tournament there was apparently no cis women in the women's division, only transgender!

 

[SnakeMan86]

"Issues first arose after it was discovered that multiple female athletes were pitted against males who identify as transgender."

Doesn't matter, as long as they "Genuinely believe they are a female" then its fair game

And posters here will continue to be shouted down as bigots over the slight mention of this being unfair to women .... coz exclusions

Had there simply been the separate categories for Biologically born males, Biologically born females, and trans competitors no one would bat an eyelid and Trans competitors would be celebrated for there accomplishments in there categories.

Seems a shoddy run comp anyway. To have a competitor have to grapple an opponent 65 pounds heavier, wether they male/female/trans is just grossly negligent

 

[Chief]

Martial Arts Association Changes Policy To EXCLUDE Trans-Identified Males After Females Drop Out - The Publica

The world's largest submission grappling association has abandoned its gender self-identification policy after a damning report was released yesterday revealing that only males competed in a women's division at a recent tournament. The North American Grappling Association (NAGA) is the largest...

www.thepublica.com

North American Grappling Association changing their policy to make transgender women compete in the men's division, at a recent tournament there was apparently no cis women in the women's division, only transgender!

Sounds like one of those individual responses to an individual issue.

 

[the_interloper]

"Issues first arose after it was discovered that multiple female athletes were pitted against males who identify as transgender."

Doesn't matter, as long as they "Genuinely believe they are a female" then its fair game

And posters here will continue to be shouted down as bigots over the slight mention of this being unfair to women .... coz exclusions

Had there simply been the separate categories for Biologically born males, Biologically born females, and trans competitors no one would bat an eyelid and Trans competitors would be celebrated for there accomplishments in there categories.

Seems a shoddy run comp anyway. To have a competitor have to grapple an opponent 65 pounds heavier, wether they male/female/trans is just grossly negligent

A lot of these grappling comps have an "absolute" division, they'll have the weight class champs and then they'll have an open weight tournament. I don't disagree with your point by the way, there's no striking but arms and legs can be broken in this stuff.

Sounds like one of those individual responses to an individual issue.

Sounds like the situation a lot of people were concerned about, where women stop competing because of transgender opponents. I really do think a lot of sports will follow suit in this respect, particularly where the consequences of a loss can be rather painful.

 

[Chief]

A lot of these grappling comps have an "absolute" division, they'll have the weight class champs and then they'll have an open weight tournament. I don't disagree with your point by the way, there's no striking but arms and legs can be broken in this stuff.



Sounds like the situation a lot of people were concerned about, where women stop competing because of transgender opponents. I really do think a lot of sports will follow suit in this respect, particularly where the consequences of a loss can be rather painful.

If that is the situation in an individual sport, then an individual response is warranted.

As I recall there was at least one smart arse openly pretending to be trans to make some sort of bigoted point. Can't remember if it was in this sport or another.

 

[the_interloper]

If that is the situation in an individual sport, then an individual response is warranted.

As I recall there was at least one smart arse openly pretending to be trans to make some sort of bigoted point. Can't remember if it was in this sport or another.

This one?

Rapper beats female weightlifting records in response to transgender row

A RAPPER has weighed in to the transgender athlete row by beating a host of female weightlifting records while “identifying as a woman”. Hip-hop artist and Oxford graduate Zuby is on a mission to s…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[morningbrown]

It's almost like there's weight classes in the majority of combat sports...

 

[Chief]

This one?

Rapper beats female weightlifting records in response to transgender row

A RAPPER has weighed in to the transgender athlete row by beating a host of female weightlifting records while “identifying as a woman”. Hip-hop artist and Oxford graduate Zuby is on a mission to s…

www.thesun.co.uk

Yeah. Just a ****wit.

 

[the_interloper]

It's almost like there's weight classes in the majority of combat sports...

There is but there's always anomalies, like the absolute weight classes and even heavyweight in most combat sports. Can be a weight disparity of 30 kilos or even more sometimes. There comes a point where weight and size becomes a hindrance, slightly derailing here, I can discuss this topic at length ha ha

 

[faible]

Yeah. Just a *******.

It's a bit silly if you can identify as a female, with no required biological parameter changes, and compete immediately in the women's division. The same thing happened in a powerlifting meet in Canada from memory.

Rocks up, identifies as female, competes as-is no questions asked, smashes women's record.

Obviously some level of parameters and requirements need to exist beyond self-identification at a certain level of competition and to be record-eligible. I don't really see anyone in the trans community (legitimately) arguing otherwise.

 

[Chief]

It's a bit silly if you can identify as a female, with no required biological parameter changes, and compete immediately in the women's division. The same thing happened in a powerlifting meet in Canada from memory.

Rocks up, identifies as female, competes as-is no questions asked, smashes women's record.

Obviously some level of parameters and requirements need to exist beyond self-identification at a certain level of competition and to be record-eligible. I don't really see anyone in the trans community (legitimately) arguing otherwise.

Yes and no.

There should be a system in place to stop bigoted ****wits making a sport of inclusion, I agree.