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Transgender - Part 2

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ElectricG said:
Because it’s an outrageous video, and a real one. Even though there is some technicality with the definition of “all ages”, it still shouldn’t be happening. Not that I think this is happening frequently. I haven’t seen evidence of that.

As of libs of tiktok, this is the first time I have ever heard of that page. I don’t know or care about them.
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some technicality?

you keep doubling down still.

you are why lott and their type works

you are Mulder

why?

what about this deception is attractive to you
 
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ElectricG said:
Because it’s an outrageous video, and a real one. Even though there is some technicality with the definition of “all ages”, it still shouldn’t be happening. Not that I think this is happening frequently. I haven’t seen evidence of that.

As of libs of tiktok, this is the first time I have ever heard of that page. I don’t know or care about them.
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LOL this is always the defence with you lot, you've suddenly never heard of a major extreme right wing news source/identity.
 
morningbrown said:
LOL this is always the defence with you lot, you've suddenly never heard of a major extreme right wing news source/identity.
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So, what, I’m secretly a huge fan of this poster and am just pretending I’m not for… some reason? I don’t even have Twitter ffs. Pretty paranoid accusation coming from you lot.
 
morningbrown said:
LOL this is always the defence with you lot, you've suddenly never heard of a major extreme right wing news source/identity.
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I think it is just a case of the sources of these views an memes etc are just lost after a few shares. By the time some people repeat them, they have no idea they are the tail being wagged.
 
ElectricG said:
So, what, I’m secretly a huge fan of this poster and am just pretending I’m not for… some reason? I don’t even have Twitter ffs. Pretty paranoid accusation coming from you lot.
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If you're truly being genuine, then Chief's comment below perfectly encapsulates you.

Chief said:
I think it is just a case of the sources of these views an memes etc are just lost after a few shares. By the time some people repeat them, they have no idea they are the tail being wagged.
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Gender Nebulous Ep-22
SPECIAL GUEST
[emoji171]🏳️‍⚧️[emoji171] @KirstiMiller30

00:00 Start
02:23 Kirsti's Background
05:15 Trans@people & Prison
14:57 Trans people & Sport
51:56 Debunking the Nonsense - Part-A
01:29:00 Debunking the Nonsense - Part-B
01:58:00 In Conclusion




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Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, study of the literature from 2010 to 2021 finds. The literature reviews does not support a blanket ban in any sport including swimming, rugby or triathlon.

t.co

Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, report finds

‘The performance advantages from social factors, training and access to equipment are far greater than testosterone,' paper concludes
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kirsti said:
Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, study of the literature from 2010 to 2021 finds. The literature reviews does not support a blanket ban in any sport including swimming, rugby or triathlon.

t.co

Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, report finds

‘The performance advantages from social factors, training and access to equipment are far greater than testosterone,' paper concludes
t.co t.co


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A 'study' funded by the Canadian government. I'm sure it was totally objective and unbiased 👍

The differences between male and female bodies post puberty are just a 'social construct', I'm sure 👍

Fallon Fox totally had no unfair advantage in this exchange:



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Fallon Fox - Wikipedia

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During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents on September 13, 2014, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch ...".[16]

Eric Vilain, the director of the Institute For Society And Genetics at UCLA, worked with the Association of Boxing Commissions when they wrote their policy on transgender athletes. He stated in Time magazine that "Male to female transsexuals have significantly less muscle strength and bone density, and higher fat mass, than males"[9] and said that, to be licensed, transgender female fighters must undergo complete "surgical anatomical changes ..., including external genitalia and gonadectomy" and subsequently a minimum of two years of hormone replacement therapy, administered by a board certified specialist. In general concurrence with peer-reviewed scientific literature,[17] he states this to be "the current understanding of the minimum amount of time necessary to obviate male hormone gender related advantages in sports competition". Vilain reviewed Fox's medical records and said she has "clearly fulfilled all conditions."[1] When asked if Fox could, nonetheless, be stronger than her competitors, Vilain replied that it was possible, but noted that "sports is made up of competitors who, by definition, have advantages for all kinds of genetics reasons".[9] Fox herself responded to the controversy with an analogy comparing herself to Jackie Robinson in a guest editorial for a UFC and MMA news website:[18]

Has anybody ever watched the movie 42? Remember when commentators said Jackie Robinson had an unfair advantage because black people had "larger heel bones" than the white men he was competing with? Are we repeating history yet again with bogus bone claims? Can we couple these bogus claims with Rogan's horrible language that was aimed at me from the video I put out last week? I'm a transgender woman. I deserve equal treatment and respect to other types of women. I feel that all of this is so ridiculously unnecessary and horribly mean spirited.
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Suffice to say this is a good deal more complex than this poster would have this situation be.
 
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mouncey2franklin said:
A 'study' funded by the Canadian government. I'm sure it was totally objective and unbiased 👍

The differences between male and female bodies post puberty are just a 'social construct', I'm sure 👍

Fallon Fox totally had no unfair advantage in this exchange:

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"This one example I use should trump your long-term study that you posted"

Also pull the strawman out of your ass.
 
TheBigHorne said:
"This one example I use should trump your long-term study that you posted"
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Does that Canadian government-funded study override real life evidence, in your opinion?

Are you just going to ignore the real life example I cited?

I suppose you have to ignore it in order to maintain that 'progressive' worldview of yours #ostrich
 
mouncey2franklin said:
Does that Canadian government-funded study override real life evidence, in your opinion?

Are you just going to ignore the real life example I cited?

I suppose you have to ignore it in order to maintain that 'progressive' worldview of yours #ostrich
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Real life evidence? It's one case, laws and bills aren't made to deal with one off events, what happened here probably happens with non-trans people all the time but doesn't get reported on.

Besides there are more studies that say trans athletes don't have an advantage, please click on the link sticked to the top of the thread before further comments.
 

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mouncey2franklin said:
A 'study' funded by the Canadian government. I'm sure it was totally objective and unbiased 👍

The differences between male and female bodies post puberty are just a 'social construct', I'm sure 👍

Fallon Fox totally had no unfair advantage in this exchange:

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Why should anyone listen to you on trans issues with the ****ing cooked username you have? **** off transphobe.
 
kirsti said:
Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, study of the literature from 2010 to 2021 finds. The literature reviews does not support a blanket ban in any sport including swimming, rugby or triathlon.

t.co

Trans women athletes have no unfair advantage under current rules, report finds

‘The performance advantages from social factors, training and access to equipment are far greater than testosterone,' paper concludes
t.co t.co
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It's based on the study you have posted before. It gives evidence that trans women have similar muscle mass to biological women - but they didn't get any shorter when they transitioned. The Harper 2020 study showed that biological men are on average 14 cm taller than biological women. Height is an advantage in many sports such as Aussie Rules, basketball, volleyball, swimming, tennis, high jump, pole vault. It is an advantage in key positions of other sports such as soccer goalkeeper, rugby union forwards, American Football wide receiver, rowing stroke seat.
 
sorted said:
The Harper 2020 study showed that biological men are on average 14 cm taller than biological women
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You are taking an athlete and comparing them with the average.

This doesn't prove anything.

Are these people significantly taller than other athletes in their sport or league?
 
sorted said:
It's based on the study you have posted before. It gives evidence that trans women have similar muscle mass to biological women - but they didn't get any shorter when they transitioned. The Harper 2020 study showed that biological men are on average 14 cm taller than biological women. Height is an advantage in many sports such as Aussie Rules, basketball, volleyball, swimming, tennis, high jump, pole vault. It is an advantage in key positions of other sports such as soccer goalkeeper, rugby union forwards, American Football wide receiver, rowing stroke seat.
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tell me you don't understand leverage without telling me

longer limbs without increased muscle mass is not performance enhancing, it is actually the opposite
 
Chief said:
You are taking an athlete and comparing them with the average.

This doesn't prove anything.

Are these people significantly taller than other athletes in their sport or league?
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If by 'these people' you mean trans women athletes then yes on average they will be significantly taller on average than biological women athletes - because obviously men don't get any shorter when they transition to become women. The data is limited so far on specific individuals but potentially the height differential would be an advantage in many sports for trans women over biological women.

Examples

EPL goalkeepers tend to be about 6'3. WSL 5'8.
AFL ruckmen 6'7. AFLW 5'11.
NBA average 6'6. WNBA 5'8
 
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