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goodie said:
Dayne Beams, Sharrod Wellingham and Ben Reid have been confirmed by Collingwood football club as the newest players to recommit to the club, following Steele Sidebottom, Heath Shaw, Scott Pendlebury, Luke ball, Lachie Keefe and Jarryd Blair earlier in the year.


running out of room at collingwood one would suspect.
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was hoping that wouldn't happen.
 
this is what i could find on player contracts, with so many to come out of contract at the end of next year, is it a risk to pump so much funds into one player?

#2 Dylan Grimes: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract extension in 2011.
#3 Brett Deledio: Contracted until the end of 2017. Signed extension for 5 years in 2012.
#4 Dustin Martin: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year extension in 2010.
#6 Shaun Grigg: Traded from Carlton at the end of 2010. Term unknown - 2 years assumed.
#7 Matt Dea: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#8 Jack Riewoldt: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year extension in 2010.
#9 Trent Cotchin: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 3 year contract in 2010.
#10 Shane Edwards: Contracted until the end of 2014. Signed 2 year contract in 2012.
#11 Jake Batchelor: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 contract extension in 2011.
#12 David Astbury: Drafted by Richmond in 2009. Current contract status unknown.
#13 Brad Miller: Rookie listed end of 2010. Elevated for 2012 season.
#14 Bachar Houli: Selected in 2010 PSD. Signed 2 year extension in 2012.
#16 Luke McGuane: Contracted to end of 2012.
#17 Chris Newman: Contracted to end of 2012.
#18 Alex Rance: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#19 Daniel Connors: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 2 year contract in 2010. Sacked.
#20 Ivan Maric: Traded to Richmond in 2011 trade period. Term unknown
#21 Shane Tuck: Contracted until the end of 2012.
#23 Daniel Jackson: Contracted until the end of 2013.
#24 Ben Griffiths: Drafted in 2009. Current contract status unknown.
#25 Angus Graham: Rookie listed 2006. Senior listed in 2007. Contracted to end of 2013.
#26 Robin Nahas: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#28 Jake King: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#29 Tyrone Vickery: Contracted to end of 2014. Signed 2-year extension in 2012.
#30 Reece Conca: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2-year extension in 2011.
#32 Bradley Helbig: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2-year contract extension in 2011. possibly delistable
#34 Andrew Browne: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 1 year contract in 2011.
#35 Matthew White: Selected in the 2005 PSD. Contract to end 2012.
#36 Dean MacDonald: Drafted in 2010. 2-year contract assumed.
#37 Jayden Post: Drafted in 2008. Current contract status unknown.
#38 Steven Morris: Traded from GWS in 2011. 2 year extension to end of 2014.
#39 Tom Derickx: Drafted in 2010. 2-year contract assumed.
#40 Kelvin Moore: Contracted until the end of 2012.
#41 Nathan Foley: Contracted until the end of 2012. Signed extension in 2009. Negotiating
#42 Brandon Ellis: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#43 Todd Elton: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#44 Matthew Arnot: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#45 Brett O'Hanlon: Selected in the 2011 PSD. 2-year contract assumed.
#46 Jeromey Webberley: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 1-year contract in 2011.
#47 Addam Maric: Rookie listed end of 2011. Elevated to senior list in 2012.

Thats possibly 10 of our current 22.
 
Bruce Monteath said:
Yeah Goodie, the Collingwood administration are idiots aren't they. Why sign up all these players and leave poor Trav out in the cold? No wonder they are such an unsuccessful club.

If they really wanted to keep him - they would.
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doesnt bother me mate, if they dont want him they dont want him. just cant see him getting a better deal out of them now and is probably well and truely on the table. should we take him?

i'm undecided.
 
"Roar Passion" said:
So Tigs I guess my point is , I agree if we are to play Cloke somewhere near 1ml Jack should recieve around 700k.
Martin would probably demand somewhere near that and I'd suspect Cotchin likewise. Can we fit 4 blokes on 700k +, with Lids already on around 600k as a developing side an continue to build depth. I am very much of the opinion that our best 22 is very very close to being a top 4 side. The issue is soon as injuries come we tapper off badly, adding Cloke is only going to add depth in area, it still isn't going to assist our midfield depth , should a Cotchin, Tuck , Martin get injured , or a KPD goes down.
Ivan, or one of Lids, Cotchin, Martin or Foley go down we are still in the shit regardless of if we have Cloke sitting at CHF. Cloke's not been grerat this year but COllingwoods midfield depth has seen them to continue to be a good side. Likewise Geelong haven't had dominate KPFs of recent times , but they've had remarkable midfield depth.
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I would probably go to 800 max for him or a bit less and add a 6th and hope Pies don't match. If they do well we tried. Front load the first year to the max of the cap when we lose mcguane who is in our top few earners. Then the next year we have graham go off who would free up some money for Cotchin and Martin to re-sign. We have an advantage that 1 of our best (Maric) is only on 250k for another 3.
 

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tigs2010 said:
I would probably go to 800 max for him or a bit less and add a 6th and hope Pies don't match. If they do well we tried. Front load the first year to the max of the cap when we lose mcguane who is in our top few earners. Then the next year we have graham go off who would free up some money for Cotchin and Martin to re-sign. We have an advantage that 1 of our best (Maric) is only on 250k for another 3.
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IIRC McGuanne's contract was so heavily front loaded that his last year of his contract wasn't much above minimum, likewise Graham, so them coming off contract and supposebly replacing them with minimum earners would free little space.
The increase in the contracts of Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Batchellor, Conca, Grimes, Nahas coul add 1ml per year .
 
"Roar Passion" said:
IIRC McGuanne's contract was so heavily front loaded that his last year of his contract wasn't much above minimum, likewise Graham, so them coming off contract and supposebly replacing them with minimum earners would free little space.
The increase in the contracts of Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Batchellor, Conca, Grimes, Nahas coul add 1ml per year .
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one would assume jack will command the most out of that group this time around?
 
"Roar Passion" said:
IIRC McGuanne's contract was so heavily front loaded that his last year of his contract wasn't much above minimum, likewise Graham, so them coming off contract and supposebly replacing them with minimum earners would free little space.
The increase in the contracts of Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Batchellor, Conca, Grimes, Nahas coul add 1ml per year .
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minimum - I wouldn't be shocked if the first 3 alone add $1m to the budget, good seasons, finals, etc, all three will be getting good offers from other clubs
 
"Roar Passion" said:
IIRC McGuanne's contract was so heavily front loaded that his last year of his contract wasn't much above minimum, likewise Graham, so them coming off contract and supposebly replacing them with minimum earners would free little space.
The increase in the contracts of Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Batchellor, Conca, Grimes, Nahas coul add 1ml per year .
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I'm only going off the fact McGuane is a restricted agent and therefore in our top 10 earners. We would already have close to 1 mill free space before anyone goes off. I have a feeling Jack, Cotch, Martin are already on 450-500 as is. As I said I wouldnt go above 800 and then jam as much as possible into our 2013 cap which in itself will save space for the future. I wrote earlier in the thread our players need to be happy with the deal. Also the salary cap generally increases over time. End of the day I don't know what our situation is and I'll trust what the club do with this.
 
tigs2010 said:
I'm only going off the fact McGuane is a restricted agent and therefore in our top 10 earners. We would already have close to 1 mill free space before anyone goes off. I have a feeling Jack, Cotch, Martin are already on 450-500 as is. As I said I wouldnt go above 800 and then jam as much as possible into our 2013 cap which in itself will save space for the future. I wrote earlier in the thread our players need to be happy with the deal. Also the salary cap generally increases over time. End of the day I don't know what our situation is and I'll trust what the club do with this.
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that sums it up best, we dont know who if front ended back ended side ended. who earns what etc. if we can fit cloke in whilst looking after the other lads, why not go for it.
does anyone think martin cotchin and jack will get 5 year deals? possibly backended with cloke front ended to fit them all in?
 
sante said:
What exactly does everyone think we would have to give the Pies? No way IMO. They'd want someone like Dusty.
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he's a restricted free agent, we trade nothing (its just about fitting him in the cap)
 
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We don't give the pies anything! He is a restricted free agent.

Therefore, if Collingwood cannot match our $$ offer, he can nominate to us and the AFL will provide the Pies with Compensation picks for future drafts.

Eg. If we could land him in 2013, we could possibly have Travis Cloke, Pick 8-12 and then 2 other picks around 25-35 all on the list.. That is immediate depth in our list and adding what you would assume will be 2 A grade talents...
 

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goodie said:
this is what i could find on player contracts, with so many to come out of contract at the end of next year, is it a risk to pump so much funds into one player?

#2 Dylan Grimes: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract extension in 2011.
#3 Brett Deledio: Contracted until the end of 2017. Signed extension for 5 years in 2012.
#4 Dustin Martin: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year extension in 2010.
#6 Shaun Grigg: Traded from Carlton at the end of 2010. Term unknown - 2 years assumed.
#7 Matt Dea: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#8 Jack Riewoldt: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 2 year extension in 2010.
#9 Trent Cotchin: Contracted until the end of 2013. Signed 3 year contract in 2010.
#10 Shane Edwards: Contracted until the end of 2014. Signed 2 year contract in 2012.
#11 Jake Batchelor: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 contract extension in 2011.
#12 David Astbury: Drafted by Richmond in 2009. Current contract status unknown.
#13 Brad Miller: Rookie listed end of 2010. Elevated for 2012 season.
#14 Bachar Houli: Selected in 2010 PSD. Signed 2 year extension in 2012.
#16 Luke McGuane: Contracted to end of 2012.
#17 Chris Newman: Contracted to end of 2012.
#18 Alex Rance: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#19 Daniel Connors: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 2 year contract in 2010. Sacked.
#20 Ivan Maric: Traded to Richmond in 2011 trade period. Term unknown
#21 Shane Tuck: Contracted until the end of 2012.
#23 Daniel Jackson: Contracted until the end of 2013.
#24 Ben Griffiths: Drafted in 2009. Current contract status unknown.
#25 Angus Graham: Rookie listed 2006. Senior listed in 2007. Contracted to end of 2013.
#26 Robin Nahas: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#28 Jake King: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2 year contract in 2011.
#29 Tyrone Vickery: Contracted to end of 2014. Signed 2-year extension in 2012.
#30 Reece Conca: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2-year extension in 2011.
#32 Bradley Helbig: Contracted to end of 2013. Signed 2-year contract extension in 2011. possibly delistable
#34 Andrew Browne: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 1 year contract in 2011.
#35 Matthew White: Selected in the 2005 PSD. Contract to end 2012.
#36 Dean MacDonald: Drafted in 2010. 2-year contract assumed.
#37 Jayden Post: Drafted in 2008. Current contract status unknown.
#38 Steven Morris: Traded from GWS in 2011. 2 year extension to end of 2014.
#39 Tom Derickx: Drafted in 2010. 2-year contract assumed.
#40 Kelvin Moore: Contracted until the end of 2012.
#41 Nathan Foley: Contracted until the end of 2012. Signed extension in 2009. Negotiating
#42 Brandon Ellis: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#43 Todd Elton: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#44 Matthew Arnot: Drafted in 2011. 2-year contract assumed.
#45 Brett O'Hanlon: Selected in the 2011 PSD. 2-year contract assumed.
#46 Jeromey Webberley: Contracted to end of 2012. Signed 1-year contract in 2011.
#47 Addam Maric: Rookie listed end of 2011. Elevated to senior list in 2012.

Thats possibly 10 of our current 22.
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i was under the impression graham is out of contract this year. i heard during trade period that both gus and browne will be out this year.
 
goodie said:
doesnt bother me mate, if they dont want him they dont want him. just cant see him getting a better deal out of them now and is probably well and truely on the table. should we take him?

i'm undecided.
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Goodie, while my post was a bit too sarcastic, none of it was directed at you - I could see exactly where you were coming from. I agree with you. For the Pies to sign up Reid and then tell Trav that talks are on hold until the end of the year is without doubt saying - you've seen our final offer, take it or leave it. If he's half as mercenary as he is being painted - he's out of there.

Personally, I don't want him at anywhere near the price he is charging, but I can absolutely see the opposing point of view. Just too many, what if's for me. He's not one of those players you look at and say it's all upside. Judd is one of those players and it hasn't worked out too well over there.
 
theflea said:
its free agency not trading.
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And the AFL will soon release details of comp picks but it wont be anywhere near what Ablett or Scully gets. So the Pies will at least get something.

This applies to Cloke

A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the top 25 per cent highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service. (restricted free agent)
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club has the right to match the presented offer.
If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.
If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period
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Here are the rules.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/130820/default.aspx
 
If we can get him for the right price ($$$) - yes
If not - no

I wouldn't want Cloke coming in and demanding more money than Cotchin and co and rocking the boat. But we would also be a much better team with him in it.
 
I dont know, I'm actually a bit torn on this issue, the thought of stealing Cloke off the maggies seriously makes me laugh my arse off only because when I was a kid I idolised his father David and the day he left us for Collingwood made me the bitter fool I am today, it gutted me that someone could leave Richmond for more money and my idolising of him turned quickly to hatred.

I guess its one thing common in the Cloke blood lines $$$$, a big up yours to my Collingwood relies who gave me shit as a kid when they stole Cloke. So the thought of Travis at Richmond is very attractive in that respect. Travis is in a form slump at present but people are actually forgetting just how well he has played in the past couple of years, he has improved massively as a player IMO. He is no Buddy, but you cannot say he wouldnt make our forwardline potent and dangerous, something that has hindered us going forward this year.

Then there is the common sense side, to lure Travis to Richmond at what price? 800k a season for 5 seasons maybe more? WOW thats pretty massive, you could pay a decent player 400k a year and he would most likely be a 200 gamer, are we robbing peter to pay paul? Is it considered a quick fix when we are trying to build something at Richmond? What happens if we did get Travis and another Nathan Brown happens to us? Does getting Travis hinder our chances of adding much needed depth into the team? I think it most definately does, it doesnt impact increasing the teams talent but it does stop our ability in getting another couple of decent players and adding depth to our list.

The club would be foolish not to ask the question regarding Cloke, but this time I believe they need to look past the romance of it all and keep building the list and continue to choose the path they have done in recent seasons, we have all seen the improvement, we all know there is more improvement to come, if we can recruit another seasoned defender and draft a couple more midfielders, it will do wonders for the future of our club and one we wont have to worry about being raided over the next 5-10 years in this new age of free-agency.

Sit tight Tigers and let the likes of Freo, Carlton & Melbourne go for a quick fix, because at Richmond we tried that and it didnt work.
 

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tugga said:
We also paid peanuts for Cousins. But who was taken with the pick directly after we used ours on Ben? Tom Rockliff, that's who.
While the Cousins pickup was not a disaster by any means, I would hope the club has learned that getting in players for one or two years just isn't worth it in the long run.
As I type, Cousins is spiralling into an abyss and Rockliff is...well, quite frankly a gun and will be for the next 7 or 8 years.
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Think many have misread me tugga, I am in way advocating getting Fevloa. No way known lol.
I'm being a bit sarcastic really and pointing out that chasing Cloke is akin to chasing Fevola IMO.
 
Already said what I think in the good call/bad call thread, so I'll just add that AFAIC Cloke is an overrated, one-season wonder, we've had plenty of them over the years so why now starting going out and paying overs to import them? What is this? 1982? He ain't no Carey & certainly ain't worth Carey money. (We also already have more than enough shithouse set shots too btw.)

I'd rather we did whatever it takes -short of trading Cotchin, Martin or Jack-to lure someone like Cameron from GWS at the end of next year. He'll be so much better than the likes of Cloke in years to come it won't even be funny.
 
RodneyDangerfield said:
Think many have misread me tugga, I am in way advocating getting Fevloa. No way known lol.
I'm being a bit sarcastic really and pointing out that chasing Cloke is akin to chasing Fevola IMO.
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Nah it's all good Rod. I know your posting style enough by now to know you actually have a clue. I did read between the lines. I heard his name mentioned a few times by our supporters (not all on here either) and it staggers me.
 
tugga said:
Nah it's all good Rod. I know your posting style enough by now to know you actually have a clue. I did read between the lines. I heard his name mentioned a few times by our supporters (not all on here either) and it staggers me.
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The morning after the Whitten legends bash I nearly crashed my car when a bloke called SEN announcing Fev simply must VE picked up based on the previous nights form.
Sshhh.... I think some people think its real...
 

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